Quote from lil chick on September 30, 2024, 6:57 am
One of the reasons I keep "beating this dead horse" is because my old, toxic cats seemed to want something beyond just raw meat. Switching them to raw muscle meat did not cure them, they were not satisfied with it, and all my reading here told me that it should have been just the ticket for my little carnivores, but it wasn't. Perhaps they were too far gone, perhaps they were just at end of life, or perhaps there is some sort of lesson to be learned. That this guy's odd cat lifestyle could get cats to twice their age, it just makes me wonder! (17 vs 34). :'(
At my children's request I kept them as indoor-cats for the last several years of their lives, and they became much too interested in any houseplants, so I had to throw them all out. One day my orange boy begged to go outside and my heart told me to allow it. He looked at the sky, he nibbled the grass, keeled over with a heart attack and died.
Experiments with diet and lifestyle can be "for keeps".
One of the reasons I keep "beating this dead horse" is because my old, toxic cats seemed to want something beyond just raw meat. Switching them to raw muscle meat did not cure them, they were not satisfied with it, and all my reading here told me that it should have been just the ticket for my little carnivores, but it wasn't. Perhaps they were too far gone, perhaps they were just at end of life, or perhaps there is some sort of lesson to be learned. That this guy's odd cat lifestyle could get cats to twice their age, it just makes me wonder! (17 vs 34). :'(
At my children's request I kept them as indoor-cats for the last several years of their lives, and they became much too interested in any houseplants, so I had to throw them all out. One day my orange boy begged to go outside and my heart told me to allow it. He looked at the sky, he nibbled the grass, keeled over with a heart attack and died.
Experiments with diet and lifestyle can be "for keeps".
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Where are you at now with this? I too have similar concerns. I also want to mention here that for dogs it is essential to feed bones (either raw or powdered dried raw) to provide the right mineral balance and enough minerals in general. Eggshells cannot accomplish this. In terms of organ feeding, I feel torn. I have cut way back and didn’t give my dog much liver, except a random treat here or there, for a year. No other organs except tripe and spleen. I feed heart, but that’s a muscle. And it is lower A. She still has her same issues as the previous 9 years. The psyche is a big part of it. But so is the physiology and resilience. Maybe it just takes more time. She has eaten a lot of organ meat in her life the years before I found Grant and Garrett. I’d love to talk more about it.
What about feeding the amount of organs that would equate to the percentage of the entire animal, adjusted for a meal size? Even though a dog probably wouldn’t eat ALL the bone weight, this ratio is on the cautious side with regard to organs. A deer’s liver is 1-2% of its body weight.
That said, dogs are scavengers as well as hunters. So who knows how much organ meat they need vs how much they would eat if they could. I have heard stories of animals in the wild being observed who work on for hours to get the liver out rather than chew on a hind quarter full of meat. I do wish we had food answers. Thank you all for sharing your ideas and for loving your animals. Well wishes to all of you.
Where are you at now with this? I too have similar concerns. I also want to mention here that for dogs it is essential to feed bones (either raw or powdered dried raw) to provide the right mineral balance and enough minerals in general. Eggshells cannot accomplish this. In terms of organ feeding, I feel torn. I have cut way back and didn’t give my dog much liver, except a random treat here or there, for a year. No other organs except tripe and spleen. I feed heart, but that’s a muscle. And it is lower A. She still has her same issues as the previous 9 years. The psyche is a big part of it. But so is the physiology and resilience. Maybe it just takes more time. She has eaten a lot of organ meat in her life the years before I found Grant and Garrett. I’d love to talk more about it.
What about feeding the amount of organs that would equate to the percentage of the entire animal, adjusted for a meal size? Even though a dog probably wouldn’t eat ALL the bone weight, this ratio is on the cautious side with regard to organs. A deer’s liver is 1-2% of its body weight.
That said, dogs are scavengers as well as hunters. So who knows how much organ meat they need vs how much they would eat if they could. I have heard stories of animals in the wild being observed who work on for hours to get the liver out rather than chew on a hind quarter full of meat. I do wish we had food answers. Thank you all for sharing your ideas and for loving your animals. Well wishes to all of you.
Regarding kidney function in dogs…I’m attaching this paper regarding the controversial topic of low-protein diets prescribed for dogs with reduced kidney function. Note the last paragraph on page one! Wow. Do they have any idea what they just pointed out about liver? I’d like to know what you think of this paper.
Regarding kidney function in dogs…I’m attaching this paper regarding the controversial topic of low-protein diets prescribed for dogs with reduced kidney function. Note the last paragraph on page one! Wow. Do they have any idea what they just pointed out about liver? I’d like to know what you think of this paper.
In addition to food modifications, we need to think about other toxins we are putting in us and our pets.
Lauren Von - they induced kidney problems through feeding high protein/liver. It reminds me of how they induce colon cancer using carrageenan. Perhaps it would be a useful line of enquiry/ we can learn more about vitamin A and other toxins by how scientists induce disease in the lab.
I came across this post about librella and noticed that the injection can affect the liver
In addition to food modifications, we need to think about other toxins we are putting in us and our pets.
Lauren Von - they induced kidney problems through feeding high protein/liver. It reminds me of how they induce colon cancer using carrageenan. Perhaps it would be a useful line of enquiry/ we can learn more about vitamin A and other toxins by how scientists induce disease in the lab.
Wait. Zoetis came out and said the vast majority of cases that use Librela get positive happy outcomes. The cases with negative feedback are rare. Safe and effective much? Mild and rare much?
This is what comes when sorcerers are allowed to rule eh?
Wait. Zoetis came out and said the vast majority of cases that use Librela get positive happy outcomes. The cases with negative feedback are rare. Safe and effective much? Mild and rare much?
This is what comes when sorcerers are allowed to rule eh?
When I browse raw feeding forums and communities, everyone is adamant that organs (especially liver) are essential and if they are not fed, the dog/cat will definitely run into problems later on in life.
Does anyone here have a counter-argument to that position? Does anyone have experience feeding their pet no organs for an extended period of time (especially from a young age) ?
I have a puppy and while I’m down with the vit A toxicity theory I also don’t want to take any risks that could damage the puppies health and development.
I’m currently only feeding beef mince and chicken necks.
33 months feeding a now 11 year old dog and 13 months feeding a 15 month old dog. raw ground whole chicken, raw ground beef, rice, oatmeal. They are stronger and better than any dogs I have seen in 50 years. Old dog is recovering from the damage incurred from 9 years on WAPF diet.
When I browse raw feeding forums and communities, everyone is adamant that organs (especially liver) are essential and if they are not fed, the dog/cat will definitely run into problems later on in life.
Does anyone here have a counter-argument to that position? Does anyone have experience feeding their pet no organs for an extended period of time (especially from a young age) ?
I have a puppy and while I’m down with the vit A toxicity theory I also don’t want to take any risks that could damage the puppies health and development.
I’m currently only feeding beef mince and chicken necks.
33 months feeding a now 11 year old dog and 13 months feeding a 15 month old dog. raw ground whole chicken, raw ground beef, rice, oatmeal. They are stronger and better than any dogs I have seen in 50 years. Old dog is recovering from the damage incurred from 9 years on WAPF diet.
