I needed to disable self sign-ups because I’ve been getting too many spam-type accounts. Thanks.
Chest pains
Quote from tim on July 20, 2020, 7:04 am@lil-chick
Henry the 8th was a gluttonous swine. I was talking more about the average nobleman and knight.
I'm really into being muscular but I've never taken steroids, I've never taken bodybuilding supplements or protein and I've never done any crazy bodybuilding diet. I was too busy doing enough harm with my mega vA WAPF diet...
Henry the 8th was a gluttonous swine. I was talking more about the average nobleman and knight.
I'm really into being muscular but I've never taken steroids, I've never taken bodybuilding supplements or protein and I've never done any crazy bodybuilding diet. I was too busy doing enough harm with my mega vA WAPF diet...
Quote from lil chick on July 20, 2020, 7:12 amI'm sorry we went on such a tangent, I hope something can be made out of this.
The original post, I just want to say, so many different things could be behind chest pains. The only thing we seem to have to go on is that they are helped by cheese! Cheese, glorious cheese! What kind of cheese? Different kinds of cheese might have different healing powers. Blue cheese, for instance, has antibiotics, while swiss seems to have extra VK.
I'm sorry we went on such a tangent, I hope something can be made out of this.
The original post, I just want to say, so many different things could be behind chest pains. The only thing we seem to have to go on is that they are helped by cheese! Cheese, glorious cheese! What kind of cheese? Different kinds of cheese might have different healing powers. Blue cheese, for instance, has antibiotics, while swiss seems to have extra VK.
Quote from puddleduck on July 21, 2020, 6:14 amQuote from salt on July 19, 2020, 12:19 pmIs anyone else getting chest pains from avoiding vitamin A? Eye health, cognitive function, memory, sleep, hearing, sense of smell, just about everything seems to be getting better and better. But my inflamed skin doesn't seem to improve at all, if anything it seems to be getting worse, and what's more worrying is the chest pain i've been experiencing, accompanied by weakness. Eating some VA food (cheese) makes it go away but then the systemic inflammation comes back, of course. It's not an initial detox thing, it seems to get worse and worse the longer I avoided VA.
If you are able, I’d get some bloodwork done asap. I developed a fairly bad zinc deficiency (tested at 1.5 years of low VA), even though I was making sure to eat beef every day. The process of “moretox” seems to increase the demand for certain vitamins and minerals, while directly creating an imbalance in others, which means you’ve gotta keep an eye out for nutrient deficiencies or a severe imbalance.
Consulting with Dr. Garrett Smith was worth it for me. He explains how to approach calcium deficiency. If that is what is going on in your case (I don’t want to speculate, because it’s likely several things in combination), you won’t know without appropriate testing.
Quote from salt on July 19, 2020, 12:19 pmIs anyone else getting chest pains from avoiding vitamin A? Eye health, cognitive function, memory, sleep, hearing, sense of smell, just about everything seems to be getting better and better. But my inflamed skin doesn't seem to improve at all, if anything it seems to be getting worse, and what's more worrying is the chest pain i've been experiencing, accompanied by weakness. Eating some VA food (cheese) makes it go away but then the systemic inflammation comes back, of course. It's not an initial detox thing, it seems to get worse and worse the longer I avoided VA.
If you are able, I’d get some bloodwork done asap. I developed a fairly bad zinc deficiency (tested at 1.5 years of low VA), even though I was making sure to eat beef every day. The process of “moretox” seems to increase the demand for certain vitamins and minerals, while directly creating an imbalance in others, which means you’ve gotta keep an eye out for nutrient deficiencies or a severe imbalance.
Consulting with Dr. Garrett Smith was worth it for me. He explains how to approach calcium deficiency. If that is what is going on in your case (I don’t want to speculate, because it’s likely several things in combination), you won’t know without appropriate testing.
Quote from salt on July 22, 2020, 12:31 pmThanks for all the replies, I appreciate it. I have experimented with low fat dairy in the past and it has enough VA to be a problem. I'm experimenting with smaller amounts of it now again and it's still problematic. Even a single glass of 0.1% milk gives me increased inflammation and some mood problems. I can feel it in my joints and I become quite clumsy and scatterbrained the day after I've had VA foods. It does however also fix the chest pain and I wake up with a lot more energy than usual. I'm not sure what to do.
It's not a calcium thing, supplementing with calcium or not doing it doesn't make a difference (although I feel much better in general with calcium supplementation).
I do have some zinc pills but I don't take them with any regularity. I could try them the next time.
Thanks for all the replies, I appreciate it. I have experimented with low fat dairy in the past and it has enough VA to be a problem. I'm experimenting with smaller amounts of it now again and it's still problematic. Even a single glass of 0.1% milk gives me increased inflammation and some mood problems. I can feel it in my joints and I become quite clumsy and scatterbrained the day after I've had VA foods. It does however also fix the chest pain and I wake up with a lot more energy than usual. I'm not sure what to do.
It's not a calcium thing, supplementing with calcium or not doing it doesn't make a difference (although I feel much better in general with calcium supplementation).
I do have some zinc pills but I don't take them with any regularity. I could try them the next time.
Quote from Orion on July 22, 2020, 1:25 pm@salt Do you think you are getting enough potassium in your diet? and the other electrolytes?
@salt Do you think you are getting enough potassium in your diet? and the other electrolytes?
Quote from Spokes on July 22, 2020, 6:33 pmIf you're losing weight it could short circuit that temporarily and prevent toxic stuff that got stored in fat tissue getting dumped into the bloodstream as the fat is liberated.
If you're losing weight it could short circuit that temporarily and prevent toxic stuff that got stored in fat tissue getting dumped into the bloodstream as the fat is liberated.
Quote from puddleduck on July 24, 2020, 4:02 amQuote from salt on July 22, 2020, 12:31 pmThanks for all the replies, I appreciate it. I have experimented with low fat dairy in the past and it has enough VA to be a problem. I'm experimenting with smaller amounts of it now again and it's still problematic. Even a single glass of 0.1% milk gives me increased inflammation and some mood problems. I can feel it in my joints and I become quite clumsy and scatterbrained the day after I've had VA foods. It does however also fix the chest pain and I wake up with a lot more energy than usual. I'm not sure what to do.
It's not a calcium thing, supplementing with calcium or not doing it doesn't make a difference (although I feel much better in general with calcium supplementation).
I do have some zinc pills but I don't take them with any regularity. I could try them the next time.
Calcium is complicated. Some people have this going on: https://coastalurgentcarelouisiana.com/calcium-deposits/
If I am remembering correctly, too much vitamin D supplementation can push calcium into the soft tissue. And there’s a lot of evidence showing vitamin A pulls calcium from the bones (it increases risk of osteoporosis).
If the pain goes away when you drink milk, I dunno if that’s the problem though... 😝
As Orion mentioned, potassium could be something ya need more of. Dr. Smith has a video on an easy way to supplement it.
Potassium salt video: https://youtu.be/k3XA_QYEw8g
Also, magnesium is another mineral vitamin A detox demands, and it has an effect on both calcium and potassium. Dr. Smith has a video on magnesium supplements, too. Apparently magnesium deficiency is pretty common.
Magnesium video: https://youtu.be/iR8oQgRttXs
Based on how you react to the milk, magnesium and potassium might be worth considering.
You need magnesium to make sure the potassium is going where it should:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3732091/
Here is a topical magnesium “oil” recipe (it’s easy and affordable): https://theherbalacademy.com/homemade-magnesium-oil/
Or, you can buy a lotion: https://www.luckyvitamin.com/p-664106-life-flo-magnesium-lotion-8-fl-oz
Dr. Smith has made these videos free, but please consider supporting him financially in some way if you get some benefit from them and can afford it.
You don’t want to take too much zinc, unless you know you need it (a blood test would tell you). My zinc levels were in the 5% lowest Dr. Smith sees, so I doubt everyone needs to supplement it. If you’ve ever done carnivore, or if you eat plenty of beef, you’d likely be fine. If you were ever vegan or anorexic or if you have celiac disease or some other absorption issue, it’d probably be worth getting tested for a zinc deficiency.
Quote from salt on July 22, 2020, 12:31 pmThanks for all the replies, I appreciate it. I have experimented with low fat dairy in the past and it has enough VA to be a problem. I'm experimenting with smaller amounts of it now again and it's still problematic. Even a single glass of 0.1% milk gives me increased inflammation and some mood problems. I can feel it in my joints and I become quite clumsy and scatterbrained the day after I've had VA foods. It does however also fix the chest pain and I wake up with a lot more energy than usual. I'm not sure what to do.
It's not a calcium thing, supplementing with calcium or not doing it doesn't make a difference (although I feel much better in general with calcium supplementation).
I do have some zinc pills but I don't take them with any regularity. I could try them the next time.
Calcium is complicated. Some people have this going on: https://coastalurgentcarelouisiana.com/calcium-deposits/
If I am remembering correctly, too much vitamin D supplementation can push calcium into the soft tissue. And there’s a lot of evidence showing vitamin A pulls calcium from the bones (it increases risk of osteoporosis).
If the pain goes away when you drink milk, I dunno if that’s the problem though... 😝
As Orion mentioned, potassium could be something ya need more of. Dr. Smith has a video on an easy way to supplement it.
Potassium salt video: https://youtu.be/k3XA_QYEw8g
Also, magnesium is another mineral vitamin A detox demands, and it has an effect on both calcium and potassium. Dr. Smith has a video on magnesium supplements, too. Apparently magnesium deficiency is pretty common.
Magnesium video: https://youtu.be/iR8oQgRttXs
Based on how you react to the milk, magnesium and potassium might be worth considering.
You need magnesium to make sure the potassium is going where it should:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3732091/
Here is a topical magnesium “oil” recipe (it’s easy and affordable): https://theherbalacademy.com/homemade-magnesium-oil/
Or, you can buy a lotion: https://www.luckyvitamin.com/p-664106-life-flo-magnesium-lotion-8-fl-oz
Dr. Smith has made these videos free, but please consider supporting him financially in some way if you get some benefit from them and can afford it.
You don’t want to take too much zinc, unless you know you need it (a blood test would tell you). My zinc levels were in the 5% lowest Dr. Smith sees, so I doubt everyone needs to supplement it. If you’ve ever done carnivore, or if you eat plenty of beef, you’d likely be fine. If you were ever vegan or anorexic or if you have celiac disease or some other absorption issue, it’d probably be worth getting tested for a zinc deficiency.
Quote from puddleduck on July 24, 2020, 5:50 amAn article on magnesium by Dr. Smith: https://steemit.com/health/@drgarrettsmith/all-about-topical-magnesium-lotions-sprays-baths-foot-soaks-oh-my
An article on magnesium by Dr. Smith: https://steemit.com/health/@drgarrettsmith/all-about-topical-magnesium-lotions-sprays-baths-foot-soaks-oh-my