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Low fat diets are likely the quickest way to gallstones.
I really struggle with the bloating and gas I get from beans. I think that soluble fiber in general which is also present in grains, nuts, vegetables and fruits also prevents absorption of bile back into the system.
Hi bludicka,
I wondered if I could bounce some thoughts off you regarding the enterohepatic recirculation and soluble fibre. Something you wrote in another thread about believing that your gut is damaged from VA and other toxins is how I feel about my gut. I have a v limited diet, but my main symptom is pain, especially lower down in my digestive tract (below navel) and sometimes bloating. When my gut is more painful, I need to urinate more frequently. My belief is that my gut gets inflamed which puts pressure on my bladder and reduces its capacity. I don't get the more typical food sensitivity type reactions (itching, hives etc) so I don't think that is an issue. It seem to be more mechanical in nature, it feels more that certain foods cause internal abrasions.
Doing a brief search on foods high in soluble fibre, these are mostly the foods I can't eat without pain, with the exception of oats and apples. (I don't eat oats now due to VA concerns).
I was wondering if part of the reason I experience pain is that food high in soluble fibre are binding to my likely extremely toxin laden bile and dragging in into my colon where it causes pain and irritation. This doesn't add up with my tolerance to oats so I'm not sure about this. I am considering adding psyllium husk to my diet (this does cause me pain) but maybe only one day a week giving me a the rest of the week for my gut to recover. At least this would start to get some of the bile out of my body.
I have tried apple pectin recently and although it seemed to be going all right with a single capsule to start with, after a few days my gut pain started to increase.
I'm not really sure, I guess I will just have to experiment and judge what level of pain / discomfort I am able to live with. It's a bit of a toss up for me. By that, I mean, am I just increasing damage to my gut by consuming things I know will irritate it, or should I push it within reasonable bounds because by doing so I am increasing my chance of healing? A bit like a scab itches but is part of the healing process. Ultimately it's my choice what to do, I just wondered about what experiences you have had in this area and if you had any insights (beyond what you have already shared - many thanks for that).
The info on oestrogen was interesting. I have symptoms of oestrogen dominance and take DIM to help with that. Maybe that is also due to lack of bile excretion.
Thanks as always for the info you post.
Quote from tim on December 16, 2019, 1:22 amLow fat diets are likely the quickest way to gallstones.
I really struggle with the bloating and gas I get from beans. I think that soluble fiber in general which is also present in grains, nuts, vegetables and fruits also prevents absorption of bile back into the system.
You get bloating and gas from beans even if you eat them frequently? I had this problem in the past because of damaged intestine. I cook beans in a pressure cooker to neutralize lectins.
You don't have much fruits, vegetables on low VA diet and most whole grains as oats are not eaten, only whole rice -high in insoluble fiber. But you can eat psyllium, apple pectin.
Yeah even when I consume a low fiber diet I get diarrhea and masses of gas every day. When I consume my list of herbs and foods that are anti-bug/anti helicobacter and consume a low fiber diet I get close to normal stools and limited gas. I can't skip a day with those herbs though. The herbs have been a real life saver for me. If I consume any legumes or whole grains or too much fruit I get so much gas I feel sick and it's very uncomfortable to go to the toilet even if I'm consuming my herbs/honey/spices.
Legumes create minimal gas if they are fermented. Chinese, japanese and indians all have fermented legumes in their diet. I think fermented legumes and whole grains good, unfermented legumes and whole grains bad. Fermenting greatly reduces phytic acid and polysachharides that feed gas creating bacteria. Maybe I should consider buying some miso or tempeh.
I have potato, leek, cabbage and mung sprouts as veges atm. I have some strawberries or lychees as fruit. I have some macadamia bars. Apart from that my diet is composed of meats, refined grains, fats and sweeteners.
Looking at me you wouldn't think I have gut issues. My friends are in awe of how muscular I am so I'm absorbing plenty of nutrition, I'm also slightly overweight.
@bludicka - thanks, those two long posts were dynamite. Once again, Grant chose his diet very well. It's been a long time since the days of colonics and coffee enemas, I'm glad you reminded about that. I used to read those pamphlets they displayed on a rotating rack at the health food stores and found Bernard Jensen's work through one of those. Another therapy comes to mind from that same rack, The Master Cleanse. My wife and I used to do that a couple times a year for 5-10 days. We were always blown away at the volume of poop still coming out days into the "fast". Might have been bacteria feeding on the maple syrup. But the thing that was possibly most beneficial looking back from here, is the salt-water flush first thing in the morning. Is a pressure cooker better than a day on high in a crock-pot? I'm looking forward to your answer to Rachel.
People with damaged gut do not tolerate too much fiber - soluble, insoluble. I couldn't digest beans, too many carbohydrates, whole grains, gluten, even fructose and lactose were problem. I had pains in the end part of the intestine, burning, bleeding, the food was not digested properly, bloating. " It feels more that certain foods cause internal abrasions" - this was exactly my feeling after eating some foods. They often have SIBO or other bacterial overgrowth problems (if the intestine is damaged, it easily becomes a target for bacterial overgrowth) and too much soluble fiber is food not only for probiotic gut flora but for bacteria too. Feeding an already overgrown population of bacteria with soluble fiber can make the problem worse. I had damaged, inflammed gut and SIBO, for gut healing worked GAPS diet best ( but later not because I was already VA toxic) and for SIBO worked special herbals protocols. GAPS diet is free of beans, grains, potatoes... in the first stages only meat broths, fat, eggs, a little cooked vegetables are eaten, after two weeks my pains and bleeding stopped, this diet was a real miracle and improvements were fast. The problem was that it is very rich in vitamin A foods... and a few months later worsening VA toxicity triggered inflammatory processes. But certainly a gaps diet can also be done on a low VA diet - I think MaryAnn is actually doing something like a gaps diet - only beaf meat, celery root sauerkraut, pears, gelatin - this is very similar GAPS diet, I think only now she added buckwheat.
Quote from tim on December 16, 2019, 3:27 amYeah even when I consume a low fiber diet I get diarrhea and masses of gas every day. When I consume my list of herbs and foods that are anti-bug/anti helicobacter and consume a low fiber diet I get close to normal stools and limited gas. I can't skip a day with those herbs though. The herbs have been a real life saver for me. If I consume any legumes or whole grains or too much fruit I get so much gas I feel sick and it's very uncomfortable to go to the toilet even if I'm consuming my herbs/honey/spices.
This was my problem with SIBO, all the protocols I tried were weak and problems quickly returned without daily herbs, garlic, olive leaf extract, triphala.... Then I tried more aggressive protocols and it finally disappeared.
https://www.healwithfood.org/articles/pressure-cooking-boiling-destroy-lectins-in-beans.php
"Soaking beans and other legumes in water and then cooking them in water at or close to 100°C or 212°F (i.e. boiling) appears to be highly effective at inactivating legume lectins. When prepared and cooked this way, the lectin activity in fully hydrated soya beans, kidney beans, fava beans (aka broad beans) and lupin seeds was eliminated already after 10 minutes (and after 1 hour when cooked at 95°C) (4, 5, 8). Note, though, that this study only looked at lectins, and longer cooking times may be required to destroy other anti-nutrients/toxins (i.e. to make these legumes safe for consumption).
Pressure cooking seems to be particularly effective at inactivating lectins. One study found that cooking beans for only 7.5 minutes in a pressure cooker was enough to inactivate their lectin activity. (2, 9, 10)
This guy experimented with different herbs for sibo and CFS treatment:
https://cfsremission.com/2015/12/31/herbals-for-treating-cfs/
good info about gut problems:
But for me the finale cure for SIBO were high doses of berberine plants and cryptolepis, I did my own tinctures - but they kill everything, bifidobacteria, e.coli... Then I had to give high doses of lactate free probiotics (lactate are problems in SIBO). But it was neverending story with various antimicrobial herbs, essential oils, high doses of garlic, supplements... Only high doses of olive leaf extract helped a bit.