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Completely lost my ability to tolerate oxalate. Help!
I’ve been doing low A, low oxalate and low histamine diet for a couple of years, and have experienced some relief while on it. But recently, my ability to tolerate oxalates has gone down and can barely tolerate any. The worst symptoms are mental; I get horrible anxiety and depression from oxalates. This has resulted in me eating a lot of sweets for the calories, because I can’t afford enough meat to go full carnivore. I need antihistamines in order to sleep.
I take activated charcoal every morning, and my diet consist mostly of white fish, chicken, some yoghurt, bananas and sweets. Occasionally I’ll have some white rice or bread, but those make me feel pretty bad.
I have a history of taking Accutane and a lot of antibiotics. I also no longer have a colon and have a permanent ileostomy because of colitis. Not sure if that’s relevant.
Has anyone been able to increase their tolerance of oxalates over time?
What oxalate foods are hurting?
Can you afford or tolerate beef, gluten free organic oats or mineral supplements?
Quote from Joe2 on September 11, 2024, 10:09 pmWhat oxalate foods are hurting?
Can you afford or tolerate beef, gluten free organic oats or mineral supplements?
I eat a lot of supplements to compensate for my poor diet. I can sometimes afford beef but not often. In my experience, oats have a ton of oxalates, more than I can handle
Dairy seems to be a useful fix for oxalates.
Sorry to hear of your struggles, that must be hard to go through. Have you considered soluble fiber? It can bind up toxins in the bile and modify the gut microbiome. Lowering the toxicity of the gut and liver and bile and stress hormones will be beneficial.
You're having a rough time. It sounds like you also have problems with starches like bread and rice when you say they make you feel bad. Starches cause sleep problems for me. In my case, it's related to stubborn bacterial overgrowth in the small intestine. Maybe this is something you could look into? In this case, as Janelle suggested, beans could also be problematic. They were for me. I believe they are beneficial as long as the SIBO doesn't interfere with starch digestion. I rely exclusively on glucose for carbs, about 650g to 750g daily. I also eat mostly chicken, very rarely fish. But these two meats don't cause any problems. But beef and even ham might, as I've recently begun to suspect. I also eat four egg yolks a day. Maybe eggs could be something to look into as well, as they support liver health.
That's an interesting diet! You are consuming that much glucose in the form of dextrose?
What made you do that? You couldn't sleep?
I wouldn't recommend anyone whittle their diet down to dextrose and protein. This will not cure the problem. And it may even worsen it to the point any fodmaps cause IBS. I was veering that direction by avoiding anything with fiber other than one banana a day. I now eat beans 2-3 times a day without digestive issue.
When the bile gets too thick and sticky to flow properly SIBO enters the chatroom. Avoidance makes it worse.
This look like thiamine deficiency symptoms for me. A diet high in B6 but low in B1 with a sulfite containing powder (dextrose) is very bad for your thiamine reserves.
Quote from Rosa on September 12, 2024, 3:46 amQuote from Joe2 on September 11, 2024, 10:09 pmWhat oxalate foods are hurting?
Can you afford or tolerate beef, gluten free organic oats or mineral supplements?
I eat a lot of supplements to compensate for my poor diet. I can sometimes afford beef but not often. In my experience, oats have a ton of oxalates, more than I can handle
Going full carnivore is probably not needed. Sweets are probably not needed either and probably not helping. Probably not a big problem either as long as the sweet snarfing does not go on long term. At my carnivorist I maxxed at 42 oz /day. I found more than 32oz per day for a few days gave me stanky ammonia sweat and started me in on diabetic symptoms. So I kept mostly to keto and stayed around 20 to 24 oz / day. Much better.
Now I eat apples, dates, prunes, green peeled kiwi, black oatmeal, white rice, beef and chicken. Even now with all the carbs, I still eat 16 to 24 oz/ meat per day. Mostly steady improvement last 21 months. (My worst set back was after I burned my throat on hot soup - hard to attribute that to nutrient issues.) I still stay away from oxalates and have much more tolerance of them. That tolerance is increasing. Not a good enough reason to take potatoes seriously though. I can feel issues after a few days of them. I used to love potato skins, rhubarb, chard, spinach, kiwis with the skin,...... Guessing that oats are not so high in oxalates. I eat plenty daily and have for months with none of the usual suspect symptoms. My charcoal intake might be helping there too. That and I soak, rinse and cook them well in instant pot.
I found Grant on youtube interview with Judy Cho. Found Garrett right after. Have you listened to Garrett's youtube livestreams?
I came to Grant and Garrett because of isotretinoin induced sacroiliitis. 40 years of WAPF in various diets. The last 12 were low to no carb paleo / keto. Getting back on carbs was a challenge. Bifido is lacking after so long without carbs. Help with the how to on minerals, fiber, probiotics and charcoal was invaluable. Gut bacteria might have something to do with oxalate intolerance too. A few of them help process oxalates out.
Started back on carbs slow and low with apples. Along in there realized I needed more fiber. Oats seemed the safest. Started that low and slow. A spoonful a day for a week. Then two the next week. And on.
Low vitamin A paradigm is covered for free on the livestreams. Most of us binge watch them. Many of us DIY it by listening to the livestreams and asking questions on the chat. #53 and #71 cover #toxicbiletheory are probably the most important.
https://www.youtube.com/@NutritionDetective/videos
His LoveYourLiver network is $100/yr and excellent / helpful. Long form answers from many people having great results helping each other and all the newbies to vitamin A. I post a few of their testimonials here.
In my first 3 months working with LYL, I reduced my supplement intake 95%. And my costs as well. Beef tastes better than pills. Supplements for the deficient minerals are much cheaper. Much more effective.
As for oxalate tolerance, it returns. We generate them ourselves too so it is part of our systemic abilities when not damaged with toxins and deficiencies. Think I posted a testimonial yesterday from Weldon Willford. His gluten intolerance is gone now.
What are you eating? How is your poop? Frequency? What are you supplementing?
That's an interesting diet! You are consuming that much glucose in the form of dextrose?
Yes, I've been doing it for years, even back when I was traveling in Peatland ten years ago, I found dextrose to be the easiest sugar to digest. I'd guess I was down to about 200 grams of dextrose then, maybe less. It tells you how screwed up my metabolism was from my early teens on, not as a child. My carbohydrate needs have tripled with no increase in activity. This is a positive development in the grand scheme of things.
What made you do that? You couldn't sleep?
All other carbs end up causing some problems that eventually affected my sleep. Rice, potatoes, pasta, bread, quinoa. All of them somehow negatively affect sleep. So I think it's natural to stick to what doesn't make things worse that are already bad.
I wouldn't recommend anyone whittle their diet down to dextrose and protein. This will not cure the problem. And it may even worsen it to the point any fodmaps cause IBS. I was veering that direction by avoiding anything with fiber other than one banana a day. I now eat beans 2-3 times a day without digestive issue.
How do you come to this conclusion? I think it's the other way around: If you have problems with starches, it will get worse over time. Having problems with starches is obviously a problem that needs to be solved. But continuing to eat them isn't going to solve the problem. Other things might: activated charcoal, antibiotics, liver flushes, CDL. Coffee enemas haven't solved this problem for me like they have for you. I think they're more helpful in improving colon health. SIBO is a condition of the intestines that the coffee enemas are not going to have any effect on. I think liver flushes might be helpful because they eventually increase bile production, which is probably low in my case, and bile acts as a natural disinfectant. But I haven't tried them yet because it seems to be important to be well rested for them to really work.