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Completely lost my ability to tolerate oxalate. Help!
I extrapolated from your statements of up to 750g of dextrose. It is all you gave me to work with.
Good luck on living for your labs. Serum tests are photograph of a river for a moment in time. The river's content changes constantly. It has infinite inputs and outputs. Serum levels can indicate toxicity coming out, going in or remaining the same. Symptoms are all that matters. Focusing on lab results is as useful as focusing on the rearview mirror driving 80mph on an expressway. It can be done. It is rarely done well. And it always misses unpredicted problems. Did you ever predict you would consider vitamin A a problem?
Good luck with your egg yolks. Ironic that you claim to be detoxing vitamin A while taking more in and also accelerating the liver's storage of what you take in.
Thank you on the dextrose idea. That explains where David Peterson probably got the idea. You might want to contact him. At your level of intake according to his paradigm, you are healed of all your disease after 6 months. Good luck with the continued Ray Peat paradigm.
Quote from Rosa on September 14, 2024, 5:43 amQuote from Joe2 on September 14, 2024, 1:11 amQuote from Rosa on September 13, 2024, 11:54 pmQuote from Joe2 on September 12, 2024, 7:02 pmQuote from Rosa on September 12, 2024, 3:46 amQuote from Joe2 on September 11, 2024, 10:09 pmWhat oxalate foods are hurting?
Can you afford or tolerate beef, gluten free organic oats or mineral supplements?
I eat a lot of supplements to compensate for my poor diet. I can sometimes afford beef but not often. In my experience, oats have a ton of oxalates, more than I can handle
Going full carnivore is probably not needed. Sweets are probably not needed either and probably not helping. Probably not a big problem either as long as the sweet snarfing does not go on long term. At my carnivorist I maxxed at 42 oz /day. I found more than 32oz per day for a few days gave me stanky ammonia sweat and started me in on diabetic symptoms. So I kept mostly to keto and stayed around 20 to 24 oz / day. Much better.
Now I eat apples, dates, prunes, green peeled kiwi, black oatmeal, white rice, beef and chicken. Even now with all the carbs, I still eat 16 to 24 oz/ meat per day. Mostly steady improvement last 21 months. (My worst set back was after I burned my throat on hot soup - hard to attribute that to nutrient issues.) I still stay away from oxalates and have much more tolerance of them. That tolerance is increasing. Not a good enough reason to take potatoes seriously though. I can feel issues after a few days of them. I used to love potato skins, rhubarb, chard, spinach, kiwis with the skin,...... Guessing that oats are not so high in oxalates. I eat plenty daily and have for months with none of the usual suspect symptoms. My charcoal intake might be helping there too. That and I soak, rinse and cook them well in instant pot.
I found Grant on youtube interview with Judy Cho. Found Garrett right after. Have you listened to Garrett's youtube livestreams?
I came to Grant and Garrett because of isotretinoin induced sacroiliitis. 40 years of WAPF in various diets. The last 12 were low to no carb paleo / keto. Getting back on carbs was a challenge. Bifido is lacking after so long without carbs. Help with the how to on minerals, fiber, probiotics and charcoal was invaluable. Gut bacteria might have something to do with oxalate intolerance too. A few of them help process oxalates out.
Started back on carbs slow and low with apples. Along in there realized I needed more fiber. Oats seemed the safest. Started that low and slow. A spoonful a day for a week. Then two the next week. And on.
Low vitamin A paradigm is covered for free on the livestreams. Most of us binge watch them. Many of us DIY it by listening to the livestreams and asking questions on the chat. #53 and #71 cover #toxicbiletheory are probably the most important.
https://www.youtube.com/@NutritionDetective/videos
His LoveYourLiver network is $100/yr and excellent / helpful. Long form answers from many people having great results helping each other and all the newbies to vitamin A. I post a few of their testimonials here.
In my first 3 months working with LYL, I reduced my supplement intake 95%. And my costs as well. Beef tastes better than pills. Supplements for the deficient minerals are much cheaper. Much more effective.
As for oxalate tolerance, it returns. We generate them ourselves too so it is part of our systemic abilities when not damaged with toxins and deficiencies. Think I posted a testimonial yesterday from Weldon Willford. His gluten intolerance is gone now.
What are you eating? How is your poop? Frequency? What are you supplementing?
My diet consists of fish, chicken, sweets, yoghurt with honey and maybe a banana if I can handle it.
Poop is kind of hard to estimate because of my ileostomy. It’s always liquid because there’s very little fiber in my diet.
I have a whole array of supplements which I take as needed. Right now I’m taking Lipothiamine, B2, biotin, B12, D, K2 and Iron. Sometimes B3 helps me sleep.
Not sure it is oxalates that are the problem with the oats.
https://ggenereux.blog/discussion/topic/oxalate-content-grains-legumes-nuts-and-seeds/
Online there is a lot of contradictory information about the oxalate content of oats. In my experience, the reaction I get from them is similar to other high-oxalate foods. Of course, I could be mistaken.
And my method for preparation might be addressing it too. I soak them in distilled water and charcoal 2 to 24 hours. Rinse them well. Then pressure cook them in instant pot set to steam for a minute with salt, charcoal and too much water. The excess water gels after I refrigerate the oatmeal in glass jars. I eat a cup of this with beef and salt a couple times a day. I also take a spoonful whenever my guts or other symptoms tell my I am dumping bile. I am not sure if this is helping cut down oxalates, lectins, phytic acid or whatever else. It does seem to make it easier to eat and easier on my guts.
Honey has a lot of fructose. Fructose is a problem for liver. Hermes is right about dextrose being far less problematic. Might be a much better idea than the candy too. Besides various problematic forms of sugar in the candy, it usually has all sorts of other colorants, flavorings and preservatives that are flat out bad for us.
My goal is to get my fruit intake down, keep my dextrose use down and to increase my fiber/complex carbohydrates. I eat oats and a little bit of rice. Started taking in some psyllium couple months ago. So far so good. I also do a fair amount of charcoal as long as I do not get constipated. Not sure how this applies to your circumstance.
I have used dextrose. I do keep it around. The anti-peaters who give me grief for it finally agreed when I argued that dextrose is a good emergency food storage item. I told them which would you rather have in the dystopian food shortage crash. A five gallon bucket of dextrose or a five gallon bucket of dried powdered egg?
Not sure what other options you can work with. Other than to keep studying up on low vitamin A intake and keep asking around on blogs like this and on the chats on Garrett's livestreams. If I see someone in similar circumstance, I will try to hook them up with you. One of you might be able to help the other.
I hope you do better soon. Please let us know how it goes and how you get there.
Quote from Janelle525 on September 14, 2024, 9:53 amBacteria can't survive in the small intestine unless the conditions are there. Which could be a backflow problem, the ileocecal valve not closing and leaking some of the bacteria back up into the small intestine, if you massage that area it will feel very tender. No tenderness no problem usually. Then there could be some kind of stomach acid issue leading to bacteria making it's way past the stomach or just in general not breaking down food properly. Then the bile needs to be flowing properly with good ph to cause a 'sizzle' if you will when it combines with the stomach acid, this is where a good majority of nutrient absorption is going to start happening. Without this sizzle.. well you are left with nutrient deficiencies. Good bile flow and ph is what is going to make the small intestine an inhospitable place for bacteria. If not then the bacteria are growing and eating the food that your body should be absorbing. I know Tim used herbal remedies to eliminate his sibo problems, but I didn't have to do this. I focused on good stomach acid and bile flow. Insulin resistance could also make bacteria and fungi a problem. So that is my long term goal, good liver function, improved insulin sensitivity, maximize nutrient absorption, good bowel movements.
Rosa, do you have an ileocecal valve yet?
Quote from Rosa on September 13, 2024, 11:54 pmQuote from Joe2 on September 12, 2024, 7:02 pmQuote from Rosa on September 12, 2024, 3:46 amQuote from Joe2 on September 11, 2024, 10:09 pmWhat oxalate foods are hurting?
Can you afford or tolerate beef, gluten free organic oats or mineral supplements?
I eat a lot of supplements to compensate for my poor diet. I can sometimes afford beef but not often. In my experience, oats have a ton of oxalates, more than I can handle
Going full carnivore is probably not needed. Sweets are probably not needed either and probably not helping. Probably not a big problem either as long as the sweet snarfing does not go on long term. At my carnivorist I maxxed at 42 oz /day. I found more than 32oz per day for a few days gave me stanky ammonia sweat and started me in on diabetic symptoms. So I kept mostly to keto and stayed around 20 to 24 oz / day. Much better.
Now I eat apples, dates, prunes, green peeled kiwi, black oatmeal, white rice, beef and chicken. Even now with all the carbs, I still eat 16 to 24 oz/ meat per day. Mostly steady improvement last 21 months. (My worst set back was after I burned my throat on hot soup - hard to attribute that to nutrient issues.) I still stay away from oxalates and have much more tolerance of them. That tolerance is increasing. Not a good enough reason to take potatoes seriously though. I can feel issues after a few days of them. I used to love potato skins, rhubarb, chard, spinach, kiwis with the skin,...... Guessing that oats are not so high in oxalates. I eat plenty daily and have for months with none of the usual suspect symptoms. My charcoal intake might be helping there too. That and I soak, rinse and cook them well in instant pot.
I found Grant on youtube interview with Judy Cho. Found Garrett right after. Have you listened to Garrett's youtube livestreams?
I came to Grant and Garrett because of isotretinoin induced sacroiliitis. 40 years of WAPF in various diets. The last 12 were low to no carb paleo / keto. Getting back on carbs was a challenge. Bifido is lacking after so long without carbs. Help with the how to on minerals, fiber, probiotics and charcoal was invaluable. Gut bacteria might have something to do with oxalate intolerance too. A few of them help process oxalates out.
Started back on carbs slow and low with apples. Along in there realized I needed more fiber. Oats seemed the safest. Started that low and slow. A spoonful a day for a week. Then two the next week. And on.
Low vitamin A paradigm is covered for free on the livestreams. Most of us binge watch them. Many of us DIY it by listening to the livestreams and asking questions on the chat. #53 and #71 cover #toxicbiletheory are probably the most important.
https://www.youtube.com/@NutritionDetective/videos
His LoveYourLiver network is $100/yr and excellent / helpful. Long form answers from many people having great results helping each other and all the newbies to vitamin A. I post a few of their testimonials here.
In my first 3 months working with LYL, I reduced my supplement intake 95%. And my costs as well. Beef tastes better than pills. Supplements for the deficient minerals are much cheaper. Much more effective.
As for oxalate tolerance, it returns. We generate them ourselves too so it is part of our systemic abilities when not damaged with toxins and deficiencies. Think I posted a testimonial yesterday from Weldon Willford. His gluten intolerance is gone now.
What are you eating? How is your poop? Frequency? What are you supplementing?
My diet consists of fish, chicken, sweets, yoghurt with honey and maybe a banana if I can handle it.
Poop is kind of hard to estimate because of my ileostomy. It’s always liquid because there’s very little fiber in my diet.
I have a whole array of supplements which I take as needed. Right now I’m taking Lipothiamine, B2, biotin, B12, D, K2 and Iron. Sometimes B3 helps me sleep.
BTW, please stop taking the oral vitamin D supplement. It is a toxin not a nutrient. Sperti uvb lamps work. The sun on skin works better.
Quote from Joe2 on September 14, 2024, 1:32 pmQuote from Janelle525 on September 14, 2024, 9:53 amBacteria can't survive in the small intestine unless the conditions are there. Which could be a backflow problem, the ileocecal valve not closing and leaking some of the bacteria back up into the small intestine, if you massage that area it will feel very tender. No tenderness no problem usually. Then there could be some kind of stomach acid issue leading to bacteria making it's way past the stomach or just in general not breaking down food properly. Then the bile needs to be flowing properly with good ph to cause a 'sizzle' if you will when it combines with the stomach acid, this is where a good majority of nutrient absorption is going to start happening. Without this sizzle.. well you are left with nutrient deficiencies. Good bile flow and ph is what is going to make the small intestine an inhospitable place for bacteria. If not then the bacteria are growing and eating the food that your body should be absorbing. I know Tim used herbal remedies to eliminate his sibo problems, but I didn't have to do this. I focused on good stomach acid and bile flow. Insulin resistance could also make bacteria and fungi a problem. So that is my long term goal, good liver function, improved insulin sensitivity, maximize nutrient absorption, good bowel movements.
Rosa, do you have an ileocecal valve yet?
My large intestine, rectum and also a small part of the small intestine were removed a long time ago.
Quote from Joe2 on September 15, 2024, 7:54 pmQuote from Rosa on September 13, 2024, 11:54 pmQuote from Joe2 on September 12, 2024, 7:02 pmQuote from Rosa on September 12, 2024, 3:46 amQuote from Joe2 on September 11, 2024, 10:09 pmWhat oxalate foods are hurting?
Can you afford or tolerate beef, gluten free organic oats or mineral supplements?
I eat a lot of supplements to compensate for my poor diet. I can sometimes afford beef but not often. In my experience, oats have a ton of oxalates, more than I can handle
Going full carnivore is probably not needed. Sweets are probably not needed either and probably not helping. Probably not a big problem either as long as the sweet snarfing does not go on long term. At my carnivorist I maxxed at 42 oz /day. I found more than 32oz per day for a few days gave me stanky ammonia sweat and started me in on diabetic symptoms. So I kept mostly to keto and stayed around 20 to 24 oz / day. Much better.
Now I eat apples, dates, prunes, green peeled kiwi, black oatmeal, white rice, beef and chicken. Even now with all the carbs, I still eat 16 to 24 oz/ meat per day. Mostly steady improvement last 21 months. (My worst set back was after I burned my throat on hot soup - hard to attribute that to nutrient issues.) I still stay away from oxalates and have much more tolerance of them. That tolerance is increasing. Not a good enough reason to take potatoes seriously though. I can feel issues after a few days of them. I used to love potato skins, rhubarb, chard, spinach, kiwis with the skin,...... Guessing that oats are not so high in oxalates. I eat plenty daily and have for months with none of the usual suspect symptoms. My charcoal intake might be helping there too. That and I soak, rinse and cook them well in instant pot.
I found Grant on youtube interview with Judy Cho. Found Garrett right after. Have you listened to Garrett's youtube livestreams?
I came to Grant and Garrett because of isotretinoin induced sacroiliitis. 40 years of WAPF in various diets. The last 12 were low to no carb paleo / keto. Getting back on carbs was a challenge. Bifido is lacking after so long without carbs. Help with the how to on minerals, fiber, probiotics and charcoal was invaluable. Gut bacteria might have something to do with oxalate intolerance too. A few of them help process oxalates out.
Started back on carbs slow and low with apples. Along in there realized I needed more fiber. Oats seemed the safest. Started that low and slow. A spoonful a day for a week. Then two the next week. And on.
Low vitamin A paradigm is covered for free on the livestreams. Most of us binge watch them. Many of us DIY it by listening to the livestreams and asking questions on the chat. #53 and #71 cover #toxicbiletheory are probably the most important.
https://www.youtube.com/@NutritionDetective/videos
His LoveYourLiver network is $100/yr and excellent / helpful. Long form answers from many people having great results helping each other and all the newbies to vitamin A. I post a few of their testimonials here.
In my first 3 months working with LYL, I reduced my supplement intake 95%. And my costs as well. Beef tastes better than pills. Supplements for the deficient minerals are much cheaper. Much more effective.
As for oxalate tolerance, it returns. We generate them ourselves too so it is part of our systemic abilities when not damaged with toxins and deficiencies. Think I posted a testimonial yesterday from Weldon Willford. His gluten intolerance is gone now.
What are you eating? How is your poop? Frequency? What are you supplementing?
My diet consists of fish, chicken, sweets, yoghurt with honey and maybe a banana if I can handle it.
Poop is kind of hard to estimate because of my ileostomy. It’s always liquid because there’s very little fiber in my diet.
I have a whole array of supplements which I take as needed. Right now I’m taking Lipothiamine, B2, biotin, B12, D, K2 and Iron. Sometimes B3 helps me sleep.
BTW, please stop taking the oral vitamin D supplement. It is a toxin not a nutrient. Sperti uvb lamps work. The sun on skin works better.
I live in Finland and most of the year is very dark and overcast…
My sperti lamp has more than earned its cost this last winter alone.
Will of Europa (@Will_of_Europa) / X
made a cheaper more effective version of uvb lamp.
There are ways to get vitamin D. Rat poison is not one of them.
Quote from Rosa on September 17, 2024, 6:01 amQuote from Joe2 on September 14, 2024, 1:32 pmQuote from Janelle525 on September 14, 2024, 9:53 amBacteria can't survive in the small intestine unless the conditions are there. Which could be a backflow problem, the ileocecal valve not closing and leaking some of the bacteria back up into the small intestine, if you massage that area it will feel very tender. No tenderness no problem usually. Then there could be some kind of stomach acid issue leading to bacteria making it's way past the stomach or just in general not breaking down food properly. Then the bile needs to be flowing properly with good ph to cause a 'sizzle' if you will when it combines with the stomach acid, this is where a good majority of nutrient absorption is going to start happening. Without this sizzle.. well you are left with nutrient deficiencies. Good bile flow and ph is what is going to make the small intestine an inhospitable place for bacteria. If not then the bacteria are growing and eating the food that your body should be absorbing. I know Tim used herbal remedies to eliminate his sibo problems, but I didn't have to do this. I focused on good stomach acid and bile flow. Insulin resistance could also make bacteria and fungi a problem. So that is my long term goal, good liver function, improved insulin sensitivity, maximize nutrient absorption, good bowel movements.
Rosa, do you have an ileocecal valve yet?
My large intestine, rectum and also a small part of the small intestine were removed a long time ago.
Thank you. Safe to guess it is not a backflow problem.