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Copper issues with Vitamin A toxicity
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Could you please recall if you also had mood issues and severe fatigue/brain fog from oxalates, specifically buckwheat?
Also, do I understand correctly that even whole-wheat pasta is lower in oxalates, and one also shouldn't be ditching all dietary oxalates cold turkey in order to avoid oxalate dumping? It seems that white bread/refind carbs are no so bad, after all (in moderation). Thanks!
Hi @viktor, so sorry I have been very disconnected from this forum.
I didn't have much mood issues, but I had a lot brain fog and fatigue specially after eating high oxalate foods like buckwheat, sesame seeds, spinach (this one was before going low A).
In general grains in the non refined form contain more oxalates, whole wheat pasta can be significant but at least pasta is boiled and water is strained so that reduces the oxalates a lot. I ate mostly refined carbs at the beginning I didn't know anything about the so called Oxalate dumping, honestly for me it didn't happen but everyone is different. Nowadays more than a year later I have tried a bit of dark chocolate here and there without any ill effect, not going to make it a staple though, I still eat white bread and low oxalate veggies, lettuce, artichokes, asparagus, lots of olive oil and small amounts of butter here and there. I'm doing pretty well and my vitamin a seems to be lower than the RDA but not low a as I was 3 years ago. Everyone is in a different stage though, I think it would depend how much vitamin A was overdosed before and metabolism, sun exposure etc. and how much damaged was done to the kidneys by the oxalates before. My kidneys are doing really well now according to my last tests so I'm probably able to handle some amounts of oxalates and I'm not stressing about it too much.
Quote from Viktor on June 27, 2022, 6:49 amHi! It's me again!
Could you please recall if you also had mood issues and severe fatigue/brain fog from oxalates, specifically buckwheat?
Also, do I understand correctly that even whole-wheat pasta is lower in oxalates, and one also shouldn't be ditching all dietary oxalates cold turkey in order to avoid oxalate dumping? It seems that white bread/refind carbs are no so bad, after all (in moderation). Thanks!
Hi @viktor
I am not Luisa, but for me, a LOT of brain fog has lifted after going low Ox. I have just experienced my first "dump" lasting a few weeks I believe, where I felt like utter sh*t, exhausted, depressed, brain tired, powdered skin and also got irritable, which is not like me at all. Also a white extremely painful knot in my eyelid appeared a few days ago. Haven't had one in years.
When I first went low A I was a mess. Extreme ADHD and mood swings included and horrible brain damage where I honestly thought I had alzheimers. Plus, kidney damage. All things neurological improved enormously on low A, when I also went low ox unknowingly. But I started incorporating high ox foods, without knowing because they were low A, like potatoes, dark chocolate and shitloads of beans and shit hit the fan. I had no idea what was going on and I actualy had the Lord Himself tell me it was oxalates.
I have been low ox (again) now for 3 ish months and the first 10 days all my back pain, kidney pain and body stiffness went away. I got old injuries flaring up too shortly. Now I am amazed that I am like never stiff in my body and the crusty Sandy feeling I had in joints are gone, and my bad shoulder which had been bad for years, gone. I am still tired in my body, so I have dropped all excercise besides walking, and my dumps now differ between white-ish (!) and orange so Clearly I still have a lot of carotenoids coming out.
I got a lot of help from listening to Sally K Norton youtubes and webpage as for symptoms and foods. The only thing she hasn't gotten corrent yet is A poisoning. She is confusing some dump signs for A dump, like orange stools (she believes it is Ox), and she eats organs now which probably will end up biting her in the ass. She has been low ox for 8 years I think, so same as Grant on the A.
@liz Hi Liz, I haven't been around the forum much just until like 3 weeks ago when I got a lot info about Choline and started trying a lecithin supplement. I think some of the issues we experience might also be choline deficiency. Oxalates don't help for sure! they are probably breaking cell walls and then more choline is needed to repair those. This is just a theory of mine of course.
@viktor I just wanted to let you know I have gone back to low vitamin a diet at least for now and a lecithin supplement, while I still believe I have a problem with oxalates I also think I was deficient in choline and developed all sort of issues because of it, but just adding eggs and butter and some more vitamin a foods wasn't the solution, the more vitamin a I added the worse my vision got with other issues too. So I'm back on square one, but hopefully supplementing sunflower lecithin with extra choline will continue to help me.
@luisa I like your theory of oxalate cell membrane damage requiring extra choline to repair. It sounds very feasible. I think oxalates are trouble for many. Extra choline could be a buffer. The body needs plenty of the raw ingredients to repair membrane damage. Choline is a key one. Phosphatidylcholine is one of the most common phospholipid in membranes.
https://bodybio.com/blogs/blog/what-are-phospholipids
@jaj That's interesting information indeed, thanks. I'm keeping oxalates lower still just not too crazy. When I was having worst symptoms during low vitamin a diet I wasn't getting much choline because I don't eat a ton of meat and no eggs so I was probably getting less than 200g. Another theory of mine as vitamin a levels in the blood spike there is more cell differentiation hence maybe more need of choline, but it looks like these spikes are temporary so my theory is you need more of it in waves perhaps. It's just a thought :).