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Copper issues with Vitamin A toxicity
Quote from Viktor on April 5, 2022, 8:14 pm@luisa thanks so much for sharing this! I'll definitely look into the oxalate content of my diet as buckwheat tends to contain high levels of both copper and oxalates.
I hope it helps! I have started increasing my vitamin A and I have 24 hours urine test coming that hopefully shows I haven't done much damage to my kidneys.
Probably I didn't have too much overload. I was eating a fair amount of dairy, decent amounts of high vitamin A vegetables for periods of time ( not too crazy) but I did have some periods of having green smoothies often. I don't think I absorb very well vitamin A from veggies but still a fair amount of those can add up.
I have been doing low vitamin A for about 3 years, at the beginning more strict but not too much in the last year because I was getting too low on it.
I live in Canada and buckwheat is not a staple here either, I started having it as alternate option to bread and then got hooked on it and ate lots of it, it was my staple. I didn't start having symptoms of this until probably a couple of years so maybe it was affecting my kidneys and diminishing my ability to filter the oxalates out overtime. I know there is a fair amount of people that believe in oxalate dumping and all that sort of consequences after quitting oxalates, I'm not one of those. I experienced amazing relief after I significantly reduced my oxalate intake, no dumping as it has been describe. I really do think my recent symptoms are because I'm vitamin A deficient now, this is to be confirmed with upcoming lab tests.
@luisa, Grant Genereux is almost 0 on his vitamin A blood test and still doesn’t consider it a deficiency. He is trying to prove that vitamin A is not a vitamin at all and is actually a toxin. His books are available in the ebooks tab above at no charge.
Thanks @beata I have read the books, I don't think that Vitamin a is not needed, we shouldn't overload with it though that's my perspective. I find that I can't be in deficient state, I'm waiting to do some more tests but last year I was already low on it and this year I'm seeing the effects of it even more. It's been downhill since about half way that journey until recently that I started increasing my vitamin A a bit. So I don't think that's for me, I'm happy with being moderate now, so far it's working pretty well with just a few days of it.
My biggest issue really seems to be oxalates and that's what my focus will be, low oxalates while keeping moderate intakes of vitamin A.
@luisa, yours is yet another interesting perspective. I try to keep an open mind about it and restrain my tendencies to throw myself in deep waters because something works for someone else. Instead of academic approach, I like to look at real life examples of healthy populations. It appears that diet extremes and intentional manipulation of nutrients /toxins has no place in their lives.
I think that low vitamin A diet can make us deficient in several key nutrients. Also, the last two years have been really difficult for many people. My own adult daughter who is not on any diet has been feeling really unwell without just cause- or so it seems. There is always a cause but sometimes it remains hard to pinpoint. So, as easy as it is to attribute our un-ease to the food we eat, I suspect that there are many other aspects that affect us as well.
Thanks Beata for the perspective. I try to keep an open mind too it's just really hard for me to ignore that increasing a bit to a moderate amount of vitamin a makes me feel stronger now. Pretty much feeling like I did when I started the low vitamin a diet, I will and see what my tests say.
Hello again! It seems I may need your advice.
My results as of May 29 (also after eating 2 bananas, then buckwheat with chicken steak in an egg for breakfast):
Total copper: 10.8 (range 10.99-21.98) ummol/L (which is 68.61 ug/dL) → low
Ceruloplasmin: 167 (range 200-600) mg/L → low
Zinc: 14.6 (range 11.1-19.5) → okay
C-reactive protein: less than 0.14 → okay
Free copper is around 18%, which is high, but not too much.
I've been eating more animal protein lately, and my total blood protein is within range. Also, my total iron bound capacity/transferrin has increased even despite an increase in serum iron, meaning my body absorbs all that protein and the liver is capable of making the proteins it's supposed to be making, so your advice to load up on animal proteins have worked great in some aspects.
However, the liver still refuses to start making more ceruloplasmin.
So, given my past and even current high-copper diet (to a lower extent, though), the question is: can copper overload lead to low serum copper AND low ceruloplasmin? As well as a range of naughty symptoms after eating foods high is copper? Is it possible that a copper-overloaded liver would play such a dirty trick on me?
I can honestly say I'll feel better after eating chicken pie made with white flour than a whole-grain toast or a cup of buckwheat or lentils. At least, my hands and feet wouldn't feel like a trip to Santa's winter vacation resort, and my energy levels wouldn't hit bottom. Thanks again!
@viktor yes low ceruloplasmin and low copper with high free copper is common in copper toxicity. I would eat under 2mg of copper per day for sure. Good amount of protein. Ideally once a day beef meal for natural zinc. Maybe I would take low dose B complex and molybdenum here and there.. I agree with Dr.Smith on copper 100%. Most people are copper toxic and they keep pounding high copper foods until they end up with some nervous system/brain disease or cancer.. Btw I will be out for 4 months now. On something like working holidays in Croatia. So sorry if I will not reply back.. Can't wait to be away from TV/phone towers and all that EMF.. Just relaxing on the beach and grounding in the sea.. 🙂 hopefully that will help my body to detox everything what is needed..