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Dairy and blaming vit A- how did Grant separate the variables?
Quote from lil chick on September 4, 2019, 8:54 amSince we are talking about logic here, my brain can't handle that butter is OK while raw whole milk isn't--given that most of the fats of raw whole milk are ... butter. ie, if you just physically (low tech) shake a jar of milk you are left with a pat of butter and a skim-milk product called buttermilk.
And I believe that the skim milk cure of ~100 years ago ... worked because it was a low VA diet.
(I drink about 1 cup of raw whole milk a day because it helps my carpal tunnel. However, I'm not on team zero, and this is my big cheat)
Butter doesn't have casein (casein is bad) but it does have phytanic acid (PA is good).
I don't have a conclusion on whether butter is bad or not on the low A diet but I don't consume it or any other dairy.
Romaine, I'm not really sure if casein is bad. It may have ended up bad for some people who have gut issues... or have ancestors who never ate dairy... I took two years off of milk and had no great change to my health, brought it back and had no great change to my health. Eventually (I'm 56) I have noticed that my joints and nerves are actually BETTER on (raw) milk. My ancestors all seem to be OK with milk, and drank it into their 90's...
I totally get that milk might not be a friend to everyone (hubs can't drink it)... Just as I don't seem to be able to tolerate beans, we are all different. However, I think many perfectly good trad foods like wheat and dairy and beans can be thrown out with the bathwater. People should be cautious about what they throw out because there might not be a second-best thing that doesn't have draw backs.
I AM pretty picky about my wheat and dairy though.
Isn't one of the main reasons why the initial rat studies were bad was because they were feeding rats casein which hides vitamin A? And the pasteurization process just makes it worse.
Quote from romaine on September 4, 2019, 11:51 amIsn't one of the main reasons why the initial rat studies were bad was because they were feeding rats casein which hides vitamin A? And the pasteurization process just makes it worse.
Yes, that was my impression as well.
Quote from romaine on September 4, 2019, 11:51 amIsn't one of the main reasons why the initial rat studies were bad was because they were feeding rats casein which hides vitamin A? And the pasteurization process just makes it worse.
Personally, and I mean personally, I don't believe any of bit of those rat studies, not one detail. Why should we believe botched, wrong, goofy, made-up, crappy non-science? 🙂 A study that set back human nutrition info for 100 years! I'd much rather look to tradition, because we aren't rats. And of course, to listen to our own bodies.
My mother probably wiped out her dairy flora but managed quite easily to slowly ramp back up on dairy and does well on it, as she did before wiping out her flora. My husband, on the other hand, we've tried six ways to Sunday to increase his tolerance to dairy and it never worked.
Here is where I posted about the skim milk cure, which is, I think, an old-fashioned low-VA diet: https://ggenereux.blog/discussion/topic/white-food-and-an-intriguing-old-fashioned-white-food-cure/
Of course, you can't just go to the store and buy skim milk if you want to add it back to your low VA diet. You will have to find a farmer (realmilk.com) because store skim will be "fortified" and even farm skim milk might be fortified (because laws) (you will need to ask). You may have to skim it yourself which is a bother but no biggie.
You asked why some think butter is better than milk. Just trying to answer that question. Grant described on page 15 on Poisoning for Profit that butter given to children helped with their vitamin A toxicity symptoms which he says emulsified the A.