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I've been studying the diet of centenarians and found that they eat little animal protein and processed foods/semi-finished products. This contrasts with the way I ate on a low-vA diet and Peating (there was a lot of sugar and animal protein). In general, their diet is similar to how I eat now. So I hope I'm on the right track. I remember being very surprised when I discovered that Ray Peat's diet is not like the diet of centenarians. Then I thought something like "there's no limit to perfection" and continued Peating. Now I'm thinking, if I had the health of these long-lived people, I'd be happy! On the other hand, Ray Peat himself lived to be 86 years old. If I'm not mistaken, and he is dead.
My great grandfather and grandmother immigrated here from Prussia, in the late 1800's. They raised 11 children through the depression. They had meat on the table every night, and my grandmother told me that it was a source of pride for my great-grandfather.
It is true that they seemed to not usually have meat for lunch as we do now. When pressed, she said they had fresh bread with jam. (white with a little rye)
I asked what types of meat and she said usually beef and pork. Fish on Fridays.
They also did not eat vegetables each night like people do now. There were two fruit sauces on the table (prune and apple). They really only had a vegetable course on Sunday (green beans). It was mainly meat and potatoes. They did not eat rice. (that was "foreign"). They drank milk-tea and never switched to margarine from butter. My grandmother had never had broccoli until about the 1980's.
They ate oats for breakfast and sometimes eggs. They ate brown beans on Saturday and green beans on Sunday.
They made soups from bones, beer and wine in small amounts, a cake on your birthday with a small amount of frosting. Kraut and pickles.
I've heard tell that my great grandfather or his father dabbled in the industries of baking, candy making, and even catering. When I have looked at census data, it appears he worked in the mills.
This diet created people who lived on average 20 years beyond the norm. My grandmother was their 10th child and lived to 99.
Another interesting factoid: My great grandmother did not allow anyone to eat anything very hot, nor very cold. The food would not be placed on the table until she said it was OK.
Was this caution about preserving some important delicate nature of the stomach or mouth? Perhaps the ability to make enzymes or to make intrinsic factor in the stomach.
My guess was that not having meat at least once every day was one of the reasons they escaped Prussia and came to America!
Another guess would be that nothing, not one thing my Grandmother ever ate... was spicy.
So, I decided to stop experimenting with official medicine and start eating like a long-lived person. However, it seems that I won't be changing my diet, as the general principles of long-lived people's nutrition seem to align in general with official medicine. Does this mean that official medicine is correct? I don't know. Nevertheless, I intend to delve deeper into the study of long-lived people's nutrition, and I have already started reading Dan Buettner's book "Blue Zones in Practice." I hope to uncover the truth and learn the real principles of long-lived people's nutrition. I am afraid that official medicine may be wishful thinking (by scientists) and therefore what the neural network says or what is written in scientific journals about the principles of nutrition of the long-lived may be wrong. If someone throws me something to read on this topic, I will be grateful.
It's interesting that they seem to prefer eating food from their own garden. Does avoiding pesticides and GMOs help them live longer?
Why did I decide to do this? I think you can come up with all sorts of theories (this goes for Grant, Ray Peat, and the official medical community), but they might not be correct. These are just theories. If I want a guaranteed result, I need a time-tested diet.
Price's book is a good one, (Nutrition and Physical Degeneration) although he was very wrong about vitamin A. Also he didn't visit rice-eating Asian cultures. Besides that, a lot of people have decided he didn't think enough about the hardness of the food and how that helped development of the face and bite.
To save time, though, I'd delve the deepest on what YOUR ancestors (that were long-lived) ate. What YOUR dna was made for.
https://x.com/SamaHoole/status/1989319637842919551
Sama Hoole on X: "Sardinia is a Blue Zone. Centenarians eating Mediterranean diets, mostly plants, living to 100. Except the actual data shows Sardinian men (the ones living to 100) eat: - 60% of calories from animal products - Cheese at every meal (pecorino romano) - Lamb regularly - Pork fat - https://t.co/tldDJk9J7k" / X
Sama Hoole
@SamaHoole
Sardinia is a Blue Zone. Centenarians eating Mediterranean diets, mostly plants, living to 100.
Except the actual data shows Sardinian men (the ones living to 100) eat:
- 60% of calories from animal products
- Cheese at every meal (pecorino romano)
- Lamb regularly
- Pork fat
- Fish
- Goat
The women eat more plants. The women aren't the centenarians.
The shepherds in the mountains eating fatty meat and cheese are the ones living to 100.
But "eat lamb and cheese" doesn't fit the plant-based narrative, so this detail gets quietly ignored in favour of "Mediterranean diet" vagueness.
Also worth noting: these shepherds walk 10+ miles daily at altitude, live in close-knit communities, have minimal stress, and aren't eating industrial seed oils.
But sure, it's the chickpeas doing the work.
When you actually read the data instead of the headlines, every Blue Zone falls apart under basic scrutiny.
https://x.com/SamaHoole/status/1989749658332057873
Sama Hoole on X: "Ikaria is famous as a Blue Zone where people eat mostly plants and live forever. Except the dietary survey was conducted during Greek Orthodox Lent when they're literally forbidden from eating meat and dairy. You surveyed them during the 40 days per year when their religion https://t.co/TpADRfn4R3" / X
Sama Hoole
@SamaHoole
Ikaria is famous as a Blue Zone where people eat mostly plants and live forever.
Except the dietary survey was conducted during Greek Orthodox Lent when they're literally forbidden from eating meat and dairy.
You surveyed them during the 40 days per year when their religion prohibits animal products, then declared "they barely eat any animal products!"
Brilliant methodology. Truly inspired.
Outside of Lent? They eat lamb, goat, pork, fish, eggs, and cheese constantly. But that data point doesn't make it into the Netflix documentary.
It's like surveying Catholics on Good Friday and concluding they never eat meat.
Then writing a book about it. Then selling supplements based on it.
Thank you, Joe 2. I'm glad to hear an alternative opinion. In the book "Blue Zones in Practice" there are diagrams created by Dan Buettner. I don't have the opportunity to attach them because my book is in Russian, but here are the data from the book. For Icaria (currently): Residents of Icaria receive 17+20+9+11+5+16 percent of their food by weight from greens, vegetables, potatoes, legumes, pasta, and fruits, respectively. And only 5+6% from meat and fish, respectively (by the way, the question that is more suspicious to me is where they get the omega 3 if they eat so little fish, some of which is probably lean). In Sardinia (1943), 12+4+47% of calories come from vegetables, legumes, and grains. 26% come from dairy products (which is quite a lot, by the way, but you're right), but they still eat little fish and meat (5%). As I said, this is consistent with my current diet (I am a lacto-vegetarian). I have also looked at other charts in the book. Okinawans consume 15+8% of their food from meat and fish, and dairy products, respectively. This seems like a significant amount to me. Residents of Nikoi obtain 24% of their calories from dairy products and a negligible amount from other animal-based foods. Buettner himself notes that centenarians eat little animal food (I don't know if he has any other data that he didn't include in the book). I don't know, but maybe it's related to climate propaganda. I also understand that Seventh-day Adventists are known vegetarians. In comparison, Americans obtain 30% of their calories from animal protein.