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Eggs as part of Vitamin A reduction
I guess I was just thinking that a meat-salt-water-only carnivore/tee-totaller like Jordan Peterson is at least not wasting thiamine with booze, sugar, over-eating carbs and caffeine.
I think it's unwise to believe what any influencer like that claims they eat. I wouldn't be surprised if Michaela Peterson's whole alleged health journey and diet is fiction. This might sound a bit over the top to be so distrusting but I don't think it is.
It's clear to me that a false dichotomy of veganism vs carnivorism has been funded and promoted.
I was "spoiling" my cat with free range local lamb (quite a luxury really) and he started turning his nose up at it.
I can believe that. It seems like beef can be fed long term though with no issue.
Regarding bacon, personally I like cured pork better than fresh, and I wonder if there is a reason for that.
Same. I was once served a "pork steak". I couldn't eat it. I like bacon though.
Although I can see that supplements might get people over a hump, I think single nutrients can be upsetting to the apple cart. I prefer the slow and steady food approach if it can be done. It doesn't seem like you should have to take any supplement forever, you should be able to get over humps and then your diet should run properly from there or else you need to change your diet.
Yep. I think a lot of supplementation is counter productive. Specific low dose supplementation may be required for a period as long as a few years though for something like vitamin A depletion but I'm growing more skeptical of even low dose B vitamin supplementation.
I see low dose magnesium, low dose vitamin C, low dose natural full spectrum vitamin E and lecithin as being the safest vitamin and mineral supplements.
It's quite dangerous to call vitamin A, D and K vitamins IMO as they metabolize to hormones. Perhaps they should be called "essential hormone precursors".
B vitamins and vitamin C could be called "essential enzyme co-factors".
"I don't do physiology". Thanks for pointing that out, I guess I don't, LOL. I do like a good high-level model that seems to explain things, the personal anecdotes, and the traditions.
I appreciate your input. But you do sometimes speculate about scientific mechanisms when you admittedly don't do science. You are of course totally free to do that.
Yes you are a pattern finder and observer of food traditions and real life nutritional effects.
@jessica2 benfotiamine is not a drug. It is essential B vitamin in fat soluble more bioavailable form.. So you don't need to take grams of regular thiamine HCL. You jsut need 100-200mg of benfotiamine..
"'m curious as to what you think insulin issues and diabetes and their prevalence in the general population today is the result of?"
High calorie intake from mixed diet, low activity level are the main reasons. When you do nothing I mean really nothing. You sit on your ass and maybe walk 1000 steps into a car, from a car etc.. Your metabolism is slow and your calorie intake to maintain healthy body weight will be very low. Maybe even under 2000kcal per day. Now what you think will happen if this person is eating 2000kcal just for lunch? Well just look people in USA for example.. There are cities with fat people everywhere. I mean really fat not just 10kg overweight.. They are not obese from eating too much fruit, rice and potatoes.. They eat insane amount of junk food LOADED with calories most calories coming from low quality fats like refined vegetable oils..
What is so hard to understand about how human body uses macronutrients? Your body will always use carbs for energy and excess of calories dietary FAT will store to fat cells. The body is very bad in making fat from glucose. Just google how much the body can make fat from glucose per day. It is comically low amount. That is not the way people get obese.. It is really comical how low carb/keto people blame sugar for obesity, but FAT is not a problem for FAT gain in their eyes LOL.
K1 metabolizes into K2 MK4 and other menaquinones.
Last year I did a deep dive on the studies.
What I found was shocking.
The way that K2 deficiency is determined by looking at under carboxylated osteocalcin is problematic.
Last year I realised that the hyped up concerns about vitamin D and K2 deficiencies are based on problematic science and reasoning.
I'm not going to explain it all here but I now don't see as much need to worry about K2 intake (in a balanced omnivorous diet) aka Price's Activator X. K1 may even be enough.
I also see less need to worry about how much UVB is in sunlight. The benefits of getting lots of sunlight are not primarily to do with vitamin D IMO. I think vitamin D deficiency rates are low.
If you look at the two most important foods Price said were emphasized for pregnant women, eggs and fish eggs what are they especially rich in? It's not K2, it's not DHA, it's not iodine or selenium. All these micronutrients add to the nutritional value of these foods but these foods are especially high in choline.
Quote from tim on April 24, 2024, 8:55 pmA lot of the time though I think healing is possible it just hasn't occurred yet due to a lack of understanding and knowledge. The most basic aspect of this is understanding the natural laws governing optimal diet and lifestyle. If one moves away from those laws in an attempt to avoid symptoms it can make healing more difficult.
This is an important quote! Sometimes I do find it hard to figure out what is the optimal diet after 15 yrs of following gurus (raw foodists, WAPF, eat for heat, Ray Peat, toxic bile theory), but I'm slowly learning not to follow any one ideology and it's making sense more and more. I am someone who had a lot of black and white thinking, it's taken me til the age of 38 to realize things are not always so black and white and dogmatic, but there are laws that govern life and when we go against it disease can happen.
I made a list of the basics on how to have good health, I've had to update it as I realized some things I was still being dogmatic about.
-Clean air- get out of mold and severely polluted cities, and stop using perfumes or essential oils
-Clean water- get a reverse osmosis filter
-Plenty of sunshine
-Moderate protein from beef, bison, chicken, turkey, smaller fish, pork if it agrees with you
-Choline from lecithin if it agrees with you, eggs can be okay in moderation-start slowly
-Olive oil, lard in baking and sauteing, minimize seed oils
-Beans are an important food, slowly increase and use activated charcoal for bad symptoms *kidney beans and brown lentils are higher in carotenoids
-Betaine HCL if you don't digest or absorb nutrients well
-Coffee enemas if your bile is thick and toxic, but eating beans throughout the day or using psyllium can help as well
-Eat plenty of starches from grains, potatoes if they don't cause joint pain, but don't combine high fat and high carb in excessive amounts if you have fatty liver, insulin resistance or weight gain
-Minimize retinol and carotenoids
-Avoid dark green leafy vegetables, and bright orange or red fruit and veggies
-But don't eliminate whole food groups
-Minimize stimulants
-Get off all pharma drugs, alcohol and nicotine and any other crazy herbs and supps
-Low dose ascorbic acid, low dose b vitamins (minus b6 and folic acid) if needed
-Reduce excess hormone use as it stresses the liver, don't go off thyroid if you need it
-Go to bed on time and get 7-8 hours of sleep every night
-Eat regular meals, for women don't fast longer than 13 hours and eat starch every 3 hours for good progesterone levels
-Prayer and gratitude, let go of victim mentality, forgive people in your life that have hurt you
-Stop listening to things that frighten you and stress you out
-Minimize social media, make good friends in real life, do meaningful work
-Walk, stretch, don't sit all day on a couch with bad posture, but don't overexercise which uses up NAD
-Tape mouth at night, don't mouth breathe
-Brush teeth regularly, don't leave large rotting cavities-better to get them filled or extracted, gums can be restored to health just by getting a deep cleaning (subgingival tartar causes gum recession)
People who need a lot of thiamine may be toxic in vitamin A as well.
Quote from Jessica2 on April 25, 2024, 9:43 amAlso an interesting fat-hormone fact: when you administer insulin to someone you are supposed to vary the sites you use: the backs of the upper arms, the stomach, and outside upper thigh. You are advised to do this because... the insulin (a hormone) will cause fat to accumulate at the injection sites. The man I take care of has indeed accumulated fat in his belly at the injection sites. He complains about it daily. He hasn't altered his diet very much. He eats very little.
Again, STRONGLY suggesting that hormones are the key players in fat accumulation.
Starvation diets cause high blood sugar too. If someone is not eating much but has high blood sugar and needs insulin that's a huge red flag for not eating a good diet. Ray Peat said brewers yeast high in b vitamins can fix diabetes again suggesting a very imbalanced diet and loads and loads of stress throughout their life.
Edited to add: we also can't rule out hypervitaminosis A causing pancreas problems.
The sugar poisons the body instead of being burned. Causing things like the feet damage we see and the dementia. And if I'm not mistaken, I think the hungry cells keep calling for energy, causing the person to snack 24/7 and hit up the coffee pot. A vicious cycle.
Why aren't the cells listening? Is it just some cells that aren't listening or all of them? How do cells listen? What is it about being older that makes cells not listen? Are we making bad cells? In order for diabetes to get better do we have to actually make better cells, and wouldn't that take a wicked long time? So is there a huge lag between making the right changes and seeing the diabetes go away?
Why is the beer gut associated with type 2? Why is visceral fat resistant to training? Is that what we need to get rid of to overturn diabetes?
Is visceral fat about VA? It is yellow. Why have my earlobes gotten smaller on lower VA?
Why do older people loose muscle tone despite working out?
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/body/visceral-fat.html
an interesting overview of visceral fat that came up when I was looking for a picture
They seem to site stress as a major concern and with my husband I agree...
I can totally see how that organ slathered with crap might not be able to listen anymore. yikes
has anyone ever said if Grant has stress?