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@jessica2, could it be that you have stress? Because I think that can really mess up the body. Too much stresshormones in the body is like poison.
Have you tried the bean protocol yet? Its amazing for mopping up the stresshormones and stabilizing blood sugar too. It helps heal trauma... and so many other things. I already feel and see a difference after 6 months. But its not a quick fix it takes months and even years. Like vitamin A depletion. And you want be hungry on beans. Sometimes it feels even hard to get so many in! But you have to stop ALL stimulants. No coffee, no chocolate, no sugar, no tea, no parfum... etc. No wine! I have cheated quite a bit... but I still have results. Yay 🙂
@jiri It's a myth that sitting is as dangerous as smoking (if smoking was that harmful), look at indigenous tribes, they sit too, on the ground. They chill out, have a good time with their people, tribal members typically walk and run about 10 to 15 km a day, hunts take up to 3 hours. So they're definitely not on the move all the time. And there's a lot of activities that require you to sit still, anything you can do with your hands, talking, thinking.
And overtraining is a real thing. But as a former fitness addict, I don't need to tell you that. And I wouldn't recommend exercise to anyone who isn't feeling well. However, I do agree with your sentiment about living an active lifestyle, and also with Tim. Avoid gyms, they're a terribly boring environment. Blaring music, ugly lighting, a gym in a shopping mall? Hell no, that does not sound like a place I want to spend any more minutes than necessary. Being outdoors in the woods is much more appealing to me.
@christian Indigenous people don't sit on modern chair with bad posture. They mostly squat or they use "turkish sitting" and like you said they are walking 10-15 km a day. It has nothing to do with what most people in western world who have weight issues do LOL. I am talking about people who sit on their ass at home, at work, in a car and walk and exercise maybe 1-2 hours a day? Squatting and turkish sitting is uncomfortable after very short period of the time and it is in line with what I said about comfort and degeneration.. That's why also people in Asia keep their body healthy longer because they squat a lot instead of sitting on horrible modern chairs. If you want to really relax and not ruin your body overtime you lie down. But sitting on modern chair for hours and hours daily is disaster for your health and I don't need any studies on that. I feel it on myself if I don't work(move my body 12 hours a day) and just sit on my ass most of the day. One hour exercise will not help me much to feel better.. That's why I really want to move out this stupid apartment building on some farm ideally. So I am moving outside all the time as I should..
Hi @jessica2, do you think your weight gain could be a protective sort of weight gain? That your body is releasing too much too quickly? I had to stop drinking coffee because I felt it was making me put on weight, mostly in my belly area. Now I can tolerate occasional coffee and this excess weight does not happen anymore.Â
Quote from Jiřà on September 2, 2023, 12:35 am@christian Indigenous people don't sit on modern chair with bad posture. They mostly squat or they use "turkish sitting" and like you said they are walking 10-15 km a day. It has nothing to do with what most people in western world who have weight issues do LOL. I am talking about people who sit on their ass at home, at work, in a car and walk and exercise maybe 1-2 hours a day? Squatting and turkish sitting is uncomfortable after very short period of the time and it is in line with what I said about comfort and degeneration.. That's why also people in Asia keep their body healthy longer because they squat a lot instead of sitting on horrible modern chairs. If you want to really relax and not ruin your body overtime you lie down. But sitting on modern chair for hours and hours daily is disaster for your health and I don't need any studies on that. I feel it on myself if I don't work(move my body 12 hours a day) and just sit on my ass most of the day. One hour exercise will not help me much to feel better.. That's why I really want to move out this stupid apartment building on some farm ideally. So I am moving outside all the time as I should..
Im sorry if you feel misrepresented and I didnt get my message across. I said starve not as in starvation but as in feeling (unpleasently?) hungry and having to actively deny oneself food, and also forcing one self to be on the move. But factually I am in agreement with you. My point is that in my view your position on how to talk about it isnt so helpfull, as it might lead people to think that its basically about dicipline. And while I certianly belive in a little dicipline I also find it to be harmfull to have much of it and might lead people to think they just have to push harder. The physiological facts are in agreement though 🙂
I still find it worth saying a bit more on why I disagree with your approach. I agree that most people are fond of not changing their life too much. Im not sure that its necessary though. First of all I have also never seen anyone being active 8 hours a day that has been healthy and I think comparing that to sitting in front of a computer 12 hours is a bit extreme in the other direction. But thats mainly because I think sitting in front of a computer is unhealthy in itself.
I have personally felt the disastrous effect on health when sitting at a desk for 10-14 hours a day and working on a stressfull project. It was extremely unpleasent and I felt how my body was deteriorating. BUT it was stressfull. Most hunter-gatherers work about 4 hours a day (3-5) and dont move particularly much as been mentioned in the thread above. They dont averagely move about much more then the regular westerner findings from studies show, if you include the old, the children and women(women are typically not hunting as much). They also dont move 10-15km a day on average but more 4-7km according to meta-studies on several tribes. Hadza moves averagely 9-16km as they live in more open areas. They also sit about 11 hours a day, out of which about 2 are in squatting position, upto 8 hours with their ass on the ground. However they dont sit unmovably without ever shifting their position and that is probably important. I dont think they find it uncomfortable sitting on the ground though, and if you take a hunter-gatherer from a furniturefree enviroment (as well as a large number of asians) they prefer sitting on the ground to being in a chair. So I dont think its reasonable to think they find it uncomfortable to sit in their way.
Im still mostly concerned with the focus on getting uncomfortable though. I think thats the basic on both your percived attitude to exercise and food. I dont think it good to get uncomfortable much. If I exercise more then your mentioned hour or half hour a day I feel definetaly worse. And I've competed in Triathlons before and know how it is to exercise activel 6 days a week. I should mention the only thing that got me to put on weight back when I was struggling with it was long distance running (meaning above 10k per run). I thin the stress was the culprit and led me to put on a belly, which my friends that does ultras also got. I recommend just doing a little gentle running and some short bursts of strength training.
To not get lost in the weeds here I think the point is to not overdo it and for myself your recomendations would ruin my health (again). To me - this is not an allegation, it is my asessment made in a friendly manner - it seems like you are dependent on being in an adrenalized state to feel well. I think that is common and we all have some tendencies for it, but in my opinion it shouldnt be stressfull to relax. I never force myself to exercise if my body has to be forced ( sure i can force myself to get out if its raining and I just feel lazy, but not if my body says "Im tired/this is very uncomfortable")
Comfort is a very good guide in my opinion. If the healthy eating is making you uncomfortable its probably a sign that the healthy eating isnt that healthy (whatever diet it is) If its uncomfortable to exercise its hardly very healthy. A kid will automatically be active as it feels good to move. And it does when you are healthy. I hate not being able to move, but not stressing wether with forcibly making you exercise more or eating less which is bad. Its bad for long term health and I think its psychologically unhealthy.                 Â
I agree in general we have unhealthy lifestyles and should change but I dont belive the way of doing that is to get (much) uncomfortable or forcing ourselves .
Quote from Hermes on September 1, 2023, 11:46 pmYay, go Inger ginger! 🙂
@christian haha thank you! Its not easy to let go of all drugs but hey, most days I succeed 🙂
I am giving myself at least one year with this low vitamin A + bean protocol before i draw serious conclusions but so far I can say it has done wonders for my nervous system already, I am way more aware of my feelings now and easier to relax.
I have trauma I am working on hard which is not easy as i live in my parents house now and they were the cause of my childhood trauma as I grew up in a religious cult and they still believe those things but I have my own apartment in the house so thankfully lots of privacy. We also have a big garden.
Its a very interesting journey to meet my own trauma so intensely. The beans are helping a lot.
Becoming more aware of your feelings is a great sign, even proof, that you're healing. Religious cults are notorious for suppressing the natural feelings of their members, distorting reality and denying any individuality. It makes real communication very difficult. I can see how living with your parents again, or at least being their neighbor, can be both a curse and a blessing. You are reminded of what didn't work when you were a child. The advantage is that you can gather evidence, real life data, of how the interactions went; survivors of religious cults usually don't trust their own instincts and memories, which makes healing difficult.
How do you work through your traumas? I've found free writing to be helpful. I'll take a piece of paper and just start writing down whatever comes into my head, sometimes it's just words, sometimes it's whole sentences and paragraphs. Usually I can start to sift through my messy feelings and by the end of a half hour session I'll have more clarity.
Feeling Good by David Burns has given me some helpful concepts. I always come back to this book. It teaches you how to think less distorted thoughts that usually cause depression. It's also helpful in fostering more independence and dispelling some of the loneliness that sometimes seems to swallow me whole. Recently I've stumbled upon the idea of childhood emotional neglect, or CEN for short. It states that lack of emotional attunement by parents causes children to not learn how to manage their own feelings, which affects them later in life in romantic relationships, work environments, and interactions with friends. My parents were loving and supportive, but they are not much in touch with their emotions, especially my father. Even as a child, when I was 10 years old, I remember feeling empty inside, a sense that something was missing. My parents were very attentive to physical needs, but not to emotional needs. This left me fearful and stunted. I'm also trying to get in touch with my feelings, which are so important as a compass in life.