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Cod Liver Oil
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bludicka on July 10, 2019, 11:55 am
Liver is rich in copper, but if someone doesn't eat large amounts of chocolate, nuts, seeds, grains and does not take copper in supplements, multivitamins, it does not play a big role. For mercury, arsenic, lead ist the best Cutler protocol. But chelating agents do not work for copper, there is another strategy used, nutritional support and mineral balancing, adrenal and gallbladder, liver support (taurine for bile production)... If the body and adrenal glands are healthy, the body can relatively quickly get rid of excess copper e.g. from the diet.
Someone can consider test rounds to see if he responds to chelators (assuming no amalgam in teeth).
copper detox:
https://coppertoxic.com/detox%2Fhealing
heavy metals detox:
https://www.livingnetwork.co.za/chelationnetwork/chelation-the-andy-cutler-protocol/
Liver is rich in copper, but if someone doesn't eat large amounts of chocolate, nuts, seeds, grains and does not take copper in supplements, multivitamins, it does not play a big role. For mercury, arsenic, lead ist the best Cutler protocol. But chelating agents do not work for copper, there is another strategy used, nutritional support and mineral balancing, adrenal and gallbladder, liver support (taurine for bile production)... If the body and adrenal glands are healthy, the body can relatively quickly get rid of excess copper e.g. from the diet.
Someone can consider test rounds to see if he responds to chelators (assuming no amalgam in teeth).
copper detox:
https://coppertoxic.com/detox%2Fhealing
heavy metals detox:
https://www.livingnetwork.co.za/chelationnetwork/chelation-the-andy-cutler-protocol/
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tim on July 10, 2019, 5:35 pm
In a sphere were people are hyperaware of the hazards of oxidized PUFAs and in an age where everyone has access to the science of VA metabolism in the body how did we arrive at FCLO? Evil intent?
The main reason people have ignored government advice on limiting retinol intake and listened to false gurus is because they sense or know that mainstream health advice is flawed in many ways but when it comes to A recommendations the government advice is much more sound than many of the false gurus... What a nasty trap. A trap I fell for.
Guess what I even took FCLO! I have experienced the taste and sensation of rancid fat burning its way down my throat. Fortunately it was so bad I stopped taking it quite quickly. I might have still managed to take a bottle or two of the toxic sludge. :-/
I sense much legal action in the future around FCLO.
I stopped taking CLO years ago not due to any genius on my part but because it just makes no damn sense! When you have some basic understanding of nutrition you realize it is a lot healthier to just get DHA from fresh seafood and when you believe in A being good getting it from butter and other foods. The WAPF hypocrisy of worrying about Canola oil rancidity and not worrying about CLO rancidity was not that hard to spot. My understanding is that originally CLO was not taken to obtain fish oils or A but to supply D to prevent rickets! It's just for the D and we have sunshine, UV lamps and D supplements now. CLO is so 1859!
In a sphere were people are hyperaware of the hazards of oxidized PUFAs and in an age where everyone has access to the science of VA metabolism in the body how did we arrive at FCLO? Evil intent?
The main reason people have ignored government advice on limiting retinol intake and listened to false gurus is because they sense or know that mainstream health advice is flawed in many ways but when it comes to A recommendations the government advice is much more sound than many of the false gurus... What a nasty trap. A trap I fell for.
Guess what I even took FCLO! I have experienced the taste and sensation of rancid fat burning its way down my throat. Fortunately it was so bad I stopped taking it quite quickly. I might have still managed to take a bottle or two of the toxic sludge. :-/
I sense much legal action in the future around FCLO.
I stopped taking CLO years ago not due to any genius on my part but because it just makes no damn sense! When you have some basic understanding of nutrition you realize it is a lot healthier to just get DHA from fresh seafood and when you believe in A being good getting it from butter and other foods. The WAPF hypocrisy of worrying about Canola oil rancidity and not worrying about CLO rancidity was not that hard to spot. My understanding is that originally CLO was not taken to obtain fish oils or A but to supply D to prevent rickets! It's just for the D and we have sunshine, UV lamps and D supplements now. CLO is so 1859!
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lil chick on July 11, 2019, 4:35 am
@tim-2 what a GREAT POST. I lolled! ...So much clarity in your post.
I def feel like my mind has been in a fog and not able to see things with this kind of clarity.
However, its rough being clear on things, in a world that is unclear! 🙂
@tim-2 what a GREAT POST. I lolled! ...So much clarity in your post.
I def feel like my mind has been in a fog and not able to see things with this kind of clarity.
However, its rough being clear on things, in a world that is unclear! 🙂
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SheilaE on July 11, 2019, 2:54 pm
...only carbohydrates ferment but I guess FCLO wouldn't sell if they had 'rancid cod liver oil' on the label.
...only carbohydrates ferment but I guess FCLO wouldn't sell if they had 'rancid cod liver oil' on the label.
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bludicka on July 11, 2019, 9:17 pm
The problem with FCLO and Rosita cod liver oil is, they have vitamin D:vitamin A ratio 1:10, ca. 390 IU vitamin D and 3900 IU vitamin A - with this ratio you can never saturate vitamin D and treat vitamin D deficiency, just the opposite, retinol blocks function of vitamin D in body. I wonder what kind of oil was used to treat ricketts.
"This pales in comparison to a tablespoon of modern cod liver oil, most of which contains sub-physiological amounts of vitamin D (400 to 1,200 IU) but supra-physiological amounts of completely preformed retinol (4,000 to 10,000 IU or, in some cases, 30,000 IU). "
"We suggest that the much higher vitamin D content in 1930s cod liver oil may explain the different results."
https://chriskresser.com/important-update-on-cod-liver-oil/
If I compare FCLO and Rosita cod liver oil, FCLO had rancid burning taste.
I actually think many symptoms of vitamin A toxicity are from blocking vitamin D in his functions in the body. And with low VA diet vitamin D becomes more available - better immune funcion, better bone health and muscle strength, better calcium metabolism, better mood... vitamin D is really miracle and very important for healthy nervous system and brain function. At the beginning of low VA diet I tried vitamin D 10 000 IU for five days and I felt immediately better - better mood, motivation, fatigue eased but I didn't have vitamin D deficiency, high level of vitamin A in my body antagonizes vitamin D. Then I tried sunbathing for five days, that was bad idea but it was remarkable how my body changed in a very short time, more muscle strength and a better body posture. Wenn I was vitamin D deficient, there was muscle weakness, bone pains and no physical strength, depressions, low immune system, neurological symptoms.
"“Although activated vitamin D and vitamin A signal through common cofactors, they compete for each others function. Retinoic acid antagonizes the action of vitamin D and its active metabolite. In humans, even the vitamin A in a single serving of liver impairs vitamin D’s rapid intestinal calcium response. In a dietary intake study, Oh, et al, found that a high retinol intake completely thwarted vitamin D’s otherwise protective effect on distal colorectal adenoma, and they found a clear relationship between vitamin D and vitamin A intakes, as the women in the highest quintile of vitamin D intake also ingested around 10,000 IU/d of retinol.”"
The problem with FCLO and Rosita cod liver oil is, they have vitamin D:vitamin A ratio 1:10, ca. 390 IU vitamin D and 3900 IU vitamin A - with this ratio you can never saturate vitamin D and treat vitamin D deficiency, just the opposite, retinol blocks function of vitamin D in body. I wonder what kind of oil was used to treat ricketts.
"This pales in comparison to a tablespoon of modern cod liver oil, most of which contains sub-physiological amounts of vitamin D (400 to 1,200 IU) but supra-physiological amounts of completely preformed retinol (4,000 to 10,000 IU or, in some cases, 30,000 IU). "
"We suggest that the much higher vitamin D content in 1930s cod liver oil may explain the different results."
Important Update on Cod Liver Oil
If I compare FCLO and Rosita cod liver oil, FCLO had rancid burning taste.
I actually think many symptoms of vitamin A toxicity are from blocking vitamin D in his functions in the body. And with low VA diet vitamin D becomes more available - better immune funcion, better bone health and muscle strength, better calcium metabolism, better mood... vitamin D is really miracle and very important for healthy nervous system and brain function. At the beginning of low VA diet I tried vitamin D 10 000 IU for five days and I felt immediately better - better mood, motivation, fatigue eased but I didn't have vitamin D deficiency, high level of vitamin A in my body antagonizes vitamin D. Then I tried sunbathing for five days, that was bad idea but it was remarkable how my body changed in a very short time, more muscle strength and a better body posture. Wenn I was vitamin D deficient, there was muscle weakness, bone pains and no physical strength, depressions, low immune system, neurological symptoms.
"“Although activated vitamin D and vitamin A signal through common cofactors, they compete for each others function. Retinoic acid antagonizes the action of vitamin D and its active metabolite. In humans, even the vitamin A in a single serving of liver impairs vitamin D’s rapid intestinal calcium response. In a dietary intake study, Oh, et al, found that a high retinol intake completely thwarted vitamin D’s otherwise protective effect on distal colorectal adenoma, and they found a clear relationship between vitamin D and vitamin A intakes, as the women in the highest quintile of vitamin D intake also ingested around 10,000 IU/d of retinol.”"
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bludicka on July 11, 2019, 9:41 pm
"Last weekend I received an email from Kaayla Daniel, a nutritionist who has been involved with the Weston A. Price Foundation (WAPF) for many years. She had grown increasingly suspicious of the Green Pasture product recently, and she requested that the WAPF conduct independent analysis of it to determine whether it lived up to its claims. The WAPF voted not to conduct this testing, so Kaayla took matters into her own hands."
https://chriskresser.com/important-update-on-cod-liver-oil/
"Last weekend I received an email from Kaayla Daniel, a nutritionist who has been involved with the Weston A. Price Foundation (WAPF) for many years. She had grown increasingly suspicious of the Green Pasture product recently, and she requested that the WAPF conduct independent analysis of it to determine whether it lived up to its claims. The WAPF voted not to conduct this testing, so Kaayla took matters into her own hands."
https://chriskresser.com/important-update-on-cod-liver-oil/
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tim on July 12, 2019, 5:59 am
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lil chick on July 11, 2019, 4:35 am
@tim-2 what a GREAT POST. I lolled! ...So much clarity in your post.
I def feel like my mind has been in a fog and not able to see things with this kind of clarity.
However, its rough being clear on things, in a world that is unclear! 
Haha thanks! I like the last sentence you wrote.
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lil chick on July 11, 2019, 4:35 am
@tim-2 what a GREAT POST. I lolled! ...So much clarity in your post.
I def feel like my mind has been in a fog and not able to see things with this kind of clarity.
However, its rough being clear on things, in a world that is unclear!
Haha thanks! I like the last sentence you wrote.
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lil chick on December 27, 2025, 9:12 am
This map has an illustration of what is probably my Nova Scotia ancestors producing cod liver oil in the 1720's. The karma.... If you are interested, expand out the middle illustration. It is very detailed!
https://nwcartographic.com/products/mp10752?srsltid=AfmBOor4V4nCLPq8E_r8ewszUAOLIzFk-qiUsQMEyNZdomL0WjNG5NCY&variant=12620875333693
If I'm not mistaken, the husband, wife and baby at the top to the right of the title represent a native tribe that look different than you would expect...Rabbit hole there, if you like such things...you're welcome! I think they come from that place called Mozeemleck in the west of the map. I first saw this map on Jon Levi's channel, which is all about hidden history. Fun stuff.
This map has an illustration of what is probably my Nova Scotia ancestors producing cod liver oil in the 1720's. The karma.... If you are interested, expand out the middle illustration. It is very detailed!
1720 …This Map of North America According to Ye Newest and Most Exact Observations…
If I'm not mistaken, the husband, wife and baby at the top to the right of the title represent a native tribe that look different than you would expect...Rabbit hole there, if you like such things...you're welcome! I think they come from that place called Mozeemleck in the west of the map. I first saw this map on Jon Levi's channel, which is all about hidden history. Fun stuff.
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Joe2 on December 27, 2025, 1:11 pm
What are the odds this was a fuel processing system? Just like petroleum processing in Pennsylvania in past centuries. They mostly produced fuel. Some products were set aside and sold as medicine. Like turpentine from pine log processing in the southern states. Probably not alot of people used these byproducts of fuel production topically. Even fewer used them internally. At least until Weston A Price Foundation folk started in with their teratogenic sales pitches.
If memory serves and the history classes were accurate, whale oil was the predominant fuel and lubricant of the day until petroleum displaced it in the market place. It took me 6 decades to jump to the conclusion that I want to avoid inhaling, ingesting and or absorbing turpentine, petroleum, liver oils and or any other fuels.
What are the odds this was a fuel processing system? Just like petroleum processing in Pennsylvania in past centuries. They mostly produced fuel. Some products were set aside and sold as medicine. Like turpentine from pine log processing in the southern states. Probably not alot of people used these byproducts of fuel production topically. Even fewer used them internally. At least until Weston A Price Foundation folk started in with their teratogenic sales pitches.
If memory serves and the history classes were accurate, whale oil was the predominant fuel and lubricant of the day until petroleum displaced it in the market place. It took me 6 decades to jump to the conclusion that I want to avoid inhaling, ingesting and or absorbing turpentine, petroleum, liver oils and or any other fuels.
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lil chick on December 27, 2025, 2:00 pm
Oh, great point! And perhaps for paints, varnishes, tanning.
Oh, great point! And perhaps for paints, varnishes, tanning.
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