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First 5 months
@sarah4 that is great. So pleased to hear about your progress.
@vinero ‘while others suffer a lot of detox symptoms’ - that is the million dollar question imo. There are many different theories and there may be many different reasons. I’ve not had a smooth ride and I’ve been unwell with headaches for the last 3 months. A novel symptom that I’ve not experienced at all on the detox (in fact starting the detox stopped my headaches). I now think I’d become amine intolerant. Reducing amines in my diet and supporting their detox has led to my first headache free week since Christmas. I’m hoping I’ve found the cause. I now need to work out why I’ve become more sensitive to amines. Was it just unfortunate food choices or has my body biochemistry shifted to be less resilient?
Hi @vinero
I am using a mix of white and brown rice (both organic from a California farm). I am eating only a small amount of freeze dried black bean flakes that I mix in with my rice in the morning (I use a rice cooker). Only about a tablespoon of black bean flakes. I'm not sure how much that comes out to be in non-dehydrated beans.
Sorry to hear about the detox. I did have quite a few detox symptoms, and still have some. I did not eat beans much at all until this last 6 months, maybe.
Early on, I had a pretty significant skin reaction. I had very swollen lips and skin eruptions on face and back of hands--to the extent that sometimes I felt I couldn't go out in public...that lasted on and off for several months, and then much less frequently if I would have a trigger like more time in the sun.
I have had double vision that increased with detox but has decreased now, and I don't struggle with a feeling of my eyes being "drawn" or pressured, as much. They are less dry, but still dry.
I had multiple episodes where some unusual / difficult things happen that I would call "detox". Some issues came from increased salt in my diet, though, and I regret that.
I hope your detox will be smoother soon!
I feel that I have a long way to go yet, but that this is the right path...
Best regards,
Sarah
@sarah4 that is great. So pleased to hear about your progress.Thank you, @jaj !!
I’ve not had a smooth ride and I’ve been unwell with headaches for the last 3 months. A novel symptom that I’ve not experienced at all on the detox (in fact starting the detox stopped my headaches). I now think I’d become amine intolerant. Reducing amines in my diet and supporting their detox has led to my first headache free week since Christmas. I’m hoping I’ve found the cause. I now need to work out why I’ve become more sensitive to amines. Was it just unfortunate food choices or has my body biochemistry shifted to be less resilient?
Sorry to hear about the headaches--glad you're on to something that is helping. I have "head" symptoms, pressure, vertigo, etc... I used to have headaches and neck-headaches with VIT a diet and had headaches as detox early on. Luckily that is a symptom that has largely gone away. I hope yours will abate completely soon!
Things that help me are:
Sun!!! If I do a modified sun-gazing, this is the best. I can't raise my head due to vertigo, so I look as close to the sun as possible through closed eyes. This makes my eyes and vertigo and brain feel instantly better. The sun on the back of my neck is also good and any sun on skin/joints.
Increased sun-exposure causes me to have increased narcolepsy which has been a big symptom of vitamin A toxicity and detox for me. This has not been they easiest symptom to manage, but there is some progress.
Zeolite clay. I just use a very small amount in water in the morning. Almost just a few grains... This seems to help my digestion and elimination, along with activated charcoal.
S.
Thanks Sarah. Thanks also for sharing those tips. I’m also doing the ‘sunning’ - it’s part of the Bates method for improving eye sight.
I used to get terrible headaches when I was having high vA diet/supplements. When I started the detox they all went away and I even smugly said to my husband before Christmas (2 years on detox) that I never get headaches anymore! That’s why I thought it couldn’t be vA when they started again. A number of clues led to me looking at excess biogenic amines as a possible cause as headaches are a classic symptom along with dizziness, that I was also starting to get.
I’m not sure I’ve got the right answer but it fits with my observations and I cut out the foods in the ‘very high’ amine list and immediately felt better. It’s a threshold thing and I think I’d passed my threshold for coping with them. Had I inadvertently increased my exposure to amines or has my threshold reduced for some reason on the vA detox? This is the question I’m now interested in looking at if my headaches stay away.
Quote from Jenny on April 12, 2021, 4:34 amThanks Sarah. I used to get terrible headaches when I was having high vA diet/supplements. When I started the detox they all went away and I even smugly said to my husband before Christmas (2 years on detox) that I never get headaches anymore! That’s why I thought it couldn’t be vA when they started again. A number of clues led to me looking at excess biogenic amines as a possible cause as headaches are a classic symptom along with dizziness, that I was also starting to get.
I’m not sure I’ve got the right answer but it fits with my observations and I cut out the foods in the ‘very high’ amine list and immediately felt better. It’s a threshold thing and I think I’d passed my threshold for coping with them. Had I inadvertently increased my exposure to amines it has my threshold reduced on the vA detox?
That's really interesting....I had been thinking that when the liver was a little more available without being packed with so much vitamin A, etc, that certain sensitivities might get easier, but I feel more sensitive to certain things. I've been very sensitive to smells (headaches) and chemical exposure, etc...seems a little more so now.
This is a trend I see on here and on Garrett Smith’s Network chat. I have theories 🤣 but they are only theories. I think that vA toxicity and detox slows some vital pathways - methylation and transsulfuration - by several different methods. This leads to a lack of sulphation and methylation. Glucoronidation is under great strain due to all the vA. Therefore several of our phase 2 liver detox pathways are under strain. This can lead to increasing intolerances. Genetics, food choices, microbiome etc can come into play here to make this problem worse for some.
Here is a nice explanation by one of my favourite U.K. nutritionalists.
Chemical sensitivity is slightly different I think but related to liver overload and toxicity affecting the ANS. The overstimulated ANS may need calming out of sympathetic mode to help this, as well as improving liver (Annie Hopper DNRS).
Quote from Jenny on April 12, 2021, 5:06 amThis is a trend I see on here and on Garrett Smith’s Network chat. I have theories
but they are only theories. I think that vA toxicity and detox slows some vital pathways - methylation and transsulfuration - by several different methods. This leads to a lack of sulphation and methylation. Glucoronidation is under great strain due to all the vA. Therefore several of our phase 2 liver detox pathways are under strain. This can lead to increasing intolerances. Genetics, food choices, microbiome etc can come into play here to make this problem worse for some.
Here is a nice explanation by one of my favourite U.K. nutritionalists.
Chemical sensitivity is slightly different I think but related to liver overload and toxicity affecting the ANS. The overstimulated ANS may need calming out of sympathetic mode to help this, as well as improving liver (Annie Hopper DNRS).
Wow, thank you!
Quote from Vinero on April 12, 2021, 12:53 amWhat kind of rice are you using @sarah4? Also how much beans do you think you eat per day?
I am wondering why some people such as yourself and Grant have such an easy time on the diet while others suffer a lot of detox symptoms.
I had to quit because the detox became too brutal. My eyes and skin were degenerating. I have dropped the beans and soluble fiber and I'm eating some butter and non fortified milk. It has calmed things down and my eyes and skin are back to normal.
I had a similar reaction to beans and what I thought was lutein sensitivity really is folate sensitivity. Many greens and other vegetables are high in folate. Fruits tend to have lower amounts. Beans are a very good source of folate. Whenever I up my intake of those, I start a downward spiral where I get depressed and brain fog, my sleep and energy suffers and my skin dries out. Steering clear of those alleviates many of those symptoms. It seems it has to do with being an undermethylator and low serotonin: https://askdrgil.com/colossal-mistake-everyone-taking-folic-acid/
There's also another interesting connection I made a high protein/meat diet can lower serotonin even more: http://www.enzymestuff.com/serotonin.htm
Eggs, turkey, milk and grains have better protein profiles to promote serotonin unlike other meats which depletes tryptophan within the body. Carbs are also key to elevate serotonin according to the article.
Those are some dots I'm attempting to connect. I haven't tested it all yet. I do know that steering clear of folate is key for me at the moment. My folate intolerance could also stem from deficiencies in other methylation factors like B12, B6, Zinc, Magnesium... I'm not supplementing though since it tends to unbalance my system.
I stopped taking the topical B12 oil recently after about one week experimenting with it, it does contain methylB12. Taking it while potentially having issues with folate and methylation listed above, makes sense it would maybe cause things to go wrong.
After about a week, my skin was doing good, but then flaring up with breakouts. I do better without for now.