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Hey tar, you referring to the yawning thing?
I'm trying to stay away from supplements at the moment, but looking at my daily intake it would seem I'm getting plenty of B1 from rice and bread, whereas cauliflower is supposed to be rich in sulphur, getting like half a pound of that per day at least. Any reason you think a low-VA diet would cause low B1/sulphur?
I was trying to up my sulfur intake by eating a bit of garlic with my rice and every time I tried I got worse insomnia. I don't know if it was the sulfur in the garlic or what, or a detox thing. Dr. Seneff says some people can't tollerate eating sulfur and to instead try epsom bath salts instead though I haven't done that myself. I never noticed a problem with high sulfur foods before and so maybe it isn't the sulfur in the garlic but I am staying away from it. I will try cauliflower and see what happens.
Quote from romaine on July 24, 2019, 9:34 amI was trying to up my sulfur intake by eating a bit of garlic with my rice and every time I tried I got worse insomnia. I don't know if it was the sulfur in the garlic or what, or a detox thing. Dr. Seneff says some people can't tollerate eating sulfur and to instead try epsom bath salts instead though I haven't done that myself. I never noticed a problem with high sulfur foods before and so maybe it isn't the sulfur in the garlic but I am staying away from it. I will try cauliflower and see what happens.
Yeah when I started doing more choindroitin I had some insomnia. Had to do it in the morning and work my way up. Also lowered thyroid dosage.
Quote from collden on July 24, 2019, 8:22 amHey tar, you referring to the yawning thing?
I'm trying to stay away from supplements at the moment, but looking at my daily intake it would seem I'm getting plenty of B1 from rice and bread, whereas cauliflower is supposed to be rich in sulphur, getting like half a pound of that per day at least. Any reason you think a low-VA diet would cause low B1/sulphur?
Just the breathing problems in general. I think the low vitamin A diet influences something with cholesterol, heart disease, that kind of thing. I am not sure if Grant's really low cholesterol levels are a good sign or not...generally very low cholesterol levels are associated with really poor mortality. I am working on the assumption that maybe there is no such thing as detox, and some people have some nutrient deficiency other than vitamin A. But I could be wrong. I am curious because you have breathing problems too.
I think that there could be other nutrient deficiencies, sure, Grant said something like the pathways might get sort of worn out/overtaxed?
Another thing that might be is that healing isn't pretty sometimes? Gosh I had a broken toe that really hurt as it mended, much more than when it happened.
Let's hope the low cholesterol thing is because his blood vessels are bendy and resilient and he doesn't need tons of cholesterol to paste up the cracks.
I like the idea of a more inclusive diet, even if it means a slower process. I'm not on a tiny one like Grant and many others choose. There may be some benefits to that.
Quote from tar on July 24, 2019, 5:42 pmQuote from collden on July 24, 2019, 8:22 amHey tar, you referring to the yawning thing?
I'm trying to stay away from supplements at the moment, but looking at my daily intake it would seem I'm getting plenty of B1 from rice and bread, whereas cauliflower is supposed to be rich in sulphur, getting like half a pound of that per day at least. Any reason you think a low-VA diet would cause low B1/sulphur?
Just the breathing problems in general. I think the low vitamin A diet influences something with cholesterol, heart disease, that kind of thing. I am not sure if Grant's really low cholesterol levels are a good sign or not...generally very low cholesterol levels are associated with really poor mortality. I am working on the assumption that maybe there is no such thing as detox, and some people have some nutrient deficiency other than vitamin A. But I could be wrong. I am curious because you have breathing problems too.
Well, I agree that in some cases keeping a strict diet can cause other problems that are unrelated to VA, this is especially true if the diet is so limited that the person can't get sufficient calories and protein. I read about a guy who wasn't doing well who ate nothing but boiled potatoes and chicken breast, I would feel terrible on such a diet.
Eating nothing but rice, beef and beans also seems likely that it could cause issues in the long run, especially if it causes you to under-eat. I eat a low-VA diet that is as varied and unrestrictive as possible both for my sanity and to minimise the risk of subconscious under-eating and other deficiencies.
Still I'm wondering about your conclusions, B1 deficiency doesn't seem like the most likely candidate on this diet since there's a lot of it in rice and beans. Also Grant never mentioned anything about breathing problems, or? I think my own shortness of breath has also abated, I've not noticed it much in the past weeks or so.
Also curious what makes you now think that there is no such thing as detox symptoms? I mean, there are plenty of people both on this forum and RPF who reported experiencing a lot of symptoms after starting this diet that then gradually disappeared over the course of many months with no dietary changes - aren't such experiences indicating detox?
Both love and healing can hurt sometimes 🙂
Let's not forget that not everything we experience is due to our experiment with low A. Some of what we are experiencing is due to our poisoning with too much A. 🙂
ETA: This thread inspired me to post a pic of the worst my face has looked in this process, on my log https://ggenereux.blog/discussion/topic/lil-chicks-log/?part=5#postid-4734
Quote from collden on July 25, 2019, 12:39 amQuote from tar on July 24, 2019, 5:42 pmQuote from collden on July 24, 2019, 8:22 amHey tar, you referring to the yawning thing?
I'm trying to stay away from supplements at the moment, but looking at my daily intake it would seem I'm getting plenty of B1 from rice and bread, whereas cauliflower is supposed to be rich in sulphur, getting like half a pound of that per day at least. Any reason you think a low-VA diet would cause low B1/sulphur?
Just the breathing problems in general. I think the low vitamin A diet influences something with cholesterol, heart disease, that kind of thing. I am not sure if Grant's really low cholesterol levels are a good sign or not...generally very low cholesterol levels are associated with really poor mortality. I am working on the assumption that maybe there is no such thing as detox, and some people have some nutrient deficiency other than vitamin A. But I could be wrong. I am curious because you have breathing problems too.
Well, I agree that in some cases keeping a strict diet can cause other problems that are unrelated to VA, this is especially true if the diet is so limited that the person can't get sufficient calories and protein. I read about a guy who wasn't doing well who ate nothing but boiled potatoes and chicken breast, I would feel terrible on such a diet.
Eating nothing but rice, beef and beans also seems likely that it could cause issues in the long run, especially if it causes you to under-eat. I eat a low-VA diet that is as varied and unrestrictive as possible both for my sanity and to minimise the risk of subconscious under-eating and other deficiencies.
Still I'm wondering about your conclusions, B1 deficiency doesn't seem like the most likely candidate on this diet since there's a lot of it in rice and beans. Also Grant never mentioned anything about breathing problems, or? I think my own shortness of breath has also abated, I've not noticed it much in the past weeks or so.
Also curious what makes you now think that there is no such thing as detox symptoms? I mean, there are plenty of people both on this forum and RPF who reported experiencing a lot of symptoms after starting this diet that then gradually disappeared over the course of many months with no dietary changes - aren't such experiences indicating detox?
There are definitely detox symptoms but why do we assume that those symptoms are detox? Detox always implies that after a period of discomfort or suffering, there will be an end to that suffering and you will be better off before that detox started. I am not sure we can assume that with this diet, although people in general want to assume the best so detox is always an easy explanation to sell. Lets assume for a second that there is no such thing as detox on this diet. In fact, it is painless for your body to get rid of vitamin A and all the symptoms we see are an effect of something else. That is what I am thinking about and trying to piece together from what I am experiencing and seeing.
B1 deficiency could be the case. It is relatively poorly absorbed and if you are eating a lot of carbs there is going to be pressure there. I have been testing it out the past few days, nothing really to report.
Fair point, there is not much scientific data to go on whether detox is real or not, most case studies only report the resolution of symptoms, there are a couple of cases that demonstrate that mobilization of VA is not always painless though.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4045180 - "The ascites occurred 2 months after vitamin A had been discontinued, probably owing to particularly slow mobilization of large hepatic stores of vitamin A."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1026032/ - "Vitamin A intake was minimized. After eight weeks of therapy the patient experienced worsening dermatitis, fissured lips, increased hair loss, irritability, and tenderness of the extremities"
In my experience of recovery from exercise addiction and restrictive eating, healing often is painful though. If you're doing something that's causing damage to part of your body, then that part is usually going to be hurting even worse after you stop the insult, because the biological healing process fundamentally involves an inflammatory response that shuts down the function of the healing part. In the case of the liver, which is what is often hit the hardest by VA toxicity, I would expect liver function to become worse and cause all kinds of issues as it is healing from that damage.
But yeah definitely possible that the restrictive diet is causing issues by itself, I'd expect such issues to get progressively worse as you keep doing the diet, as opposed to detox symptoms which should come and then go. Curious how your B1 experiment goes. To me the deficiencies that look most likely would be Calcium, Potassium, Vit K, Vit E and Omega-3 fats.
Btw, you said that your most recent wave of symptoms have resolved now right? How do you know that the symptoms resolved due to anything specific you did rather than that they had simply run their natural course? Have you tried if going back to doing the things you think provoked them still triggers these symptoms?
I have tested with B1(up to 300mg per day) in the last 9 months, B2 as well, no real change in what I would call flares or detox. I keep reverting back to thinking it is all time under low VA that is the real variable.
My thoughts are get to 2 years low VA, so the liver is emptied, tissues emptied, then the body can start to operate under nominal conditions and then things will transition to complete better health with remission of all issues. But need to get to 2yrs to test this!
