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Grant's new Diabetes Blog Post
Quote from Arena on August 4, 2020, 12:19 pmSuch an interesting read!
In reference to the dogs and cancer patients that did streneous exercise post treatment and relapsed, I wonder if my training regime (I exercise every day, a lot of running and strength training) is a bad thing now. I suddenly got really bad 2 weeks ago, and I can’t figure out why...
That part stood out to me, too! Especially as periods of intense physical exertion (in sports typically) tend to be mentioned as a trigger that preceded the illness for teenagers who suddenly crash with what turns out to be CFS/ME.
Quote from Jiří on August 5, 2020, 8:17 am@puddleduck even with the diet you just described it is not even close to the level of vit A you will get on something like paleo diet...
Oh yeah, I agree. 👍
I think a lot about the stomachs of diabetics. I've noticed something.
A loved one of mine is a type 1. He is on a team of type 1's. They are all slim.
There is a competing team of type-2's. They all have, at the very least, a small (what is often referred to as) a "beer gut" (even if it doesn't come from beer). Which is a bit odd because they are ATHLETIC. Now, I know you probably all know someone who is type 2 who doesn't have a gut, but everyone on this team does. (I think it's actually more rare for type 2's NOT to have a gut). I once knew an aerobics instructor with a beer gut. You'd think that wouldn't be possible. But I digress.
Gastric bypass surgery sometimes reverses diabetes (I hope I'm not talking anyone into this. Please don't). The following article said 7 out of 10.
quote "Madsen said other studies have suggested that weight loss is one factor. She added that calorie restriction and hormone changes also likely play a role.
Dr. Mitchell Roslin, director of bariatric surgery at Northern Westchester Hospital in Mount Kisco, N.Y., reviewed the findings.
"Patients with the best weight loss have the best resolution of type 2 diabetes, but the mechanisms are much more complex than just weight loss," he said.
Roslin said change in the types of foods a person eats, and in how well the body uses insulin, along with changes in glucose (sugar) production in the liver all likely contribute to the improvement in type 2 diabetes." end quote https://www.webmd.com/diabetes/news/20190207/gastric-bypass-means-diabetes-remission-for-many
I knew a guy who basically became bulimic because of gastric bypass (always vomiting). But I knew a woman who could stay on the diet and she did well. It made me think that it was all about staying on the diet. You don't have to get surgery to do the diet!
Here is one website's info about post-gastric-bypass diet:
quote "In general, you’ll want to choose foods that are high to moderate in protein, low in carbohydrates and moderate in good fats.
Foods with good (healthy) fats include:
- avocados
- salmon
- nuts
- sardines
- nut butters
- coconut oil
General guidelines include:
- Choose lean meats.
- Canned tuna and salmon.
- Avoid greasy and spicy foods.
- Avoid whole milk.
- Eat nutrient dense foods (whole fruits, vegetables, meats, eggs).
- Plan your meals.
- Involve your family in healthy eating decisions.
- Shop for healthy foods.
- Limit or eliminate desserts.
- Don’t tempt yourself with a pantry full of junk foods.
- Eliminate fast food.
- Eat out only on occasion.
- Take quality nutritional supplements/vitamins.
- Separate your water and food by at least 30 minutes.
- Introduce new foods slowly.
- Each meal should be no larger than your fist." end quote
One idea that comes to mind is that perhaps this diet keeps you from binging VA foods. The 8 scoop banana split. Four ears of corn. A whole brick of cheese. Enough salad for a family of 4.
You know, someone this week said the words "addicted to VA foods" and it has stuck in my craw. ARE VA foods addictive?
And it is called a "beer gut" after all. I bet that the amounts of alcohol ingested are also smaller post-bypass because (from what I've seen) the gastric bypass stomach is delicate. We know that alcohol moves VA around the body.
My guess is the type 2's bodies decide to create an extra- liver VA storage module right there next to the liver. And those fat cells aren't listening to insulin any more.
My guess is that type 1's bodies decide to spread the VA around the body instead (and they end up auto-immune).
"How can we explain these two diametrically opposed diets yielding effectively the same results in reversing diabetes?"
What about the fact that both diets are calorie restriction? It has been shown again and again that you can improve your health markers even on junk food diet as long you are in calorie deficit = you are losing excess of body fat... I am not saying that vit A is not a factor in worsening of our health, but you see vit A everywhere like keto people see sugar behind every health issue there is and we know it is not like that..
@lil-chick interesting thoughts.
I’ve come to the conclusion that my body did me a huge favour putting on fat when I got very vA toxic (I certainly didn’t think that at the time!). I think of it as extra storage space. I didn’t get an autoimmune disease. This fits with your idea.
Stephanie Seneff says that some fat protects from toxicity & forcing thinness can lead to disease. This is why I’m loosing my vA poisoning weight slowly. It’s tempting to get rid of it quicker but I’m letting it go away slowly as I no longer need the ‘extra storage’. It took about 10 months to reach a point where I felt weight was slowly decreasing with no change in diet/exercise.
Same here ! Jenny , What type of exercise are you doing for gradual fat loss ?
Hi @Naveen I’m not doing anything special. Just regular walks some on very hilly up & down ground that gets the heart going. I’ve always done this though. The only thing I’ve added is some Qi Gong (like tai chi but simpler) but more for stress reduction rather than exercise. I’m convinced that for me stress/anxiety is a major problem slowing my recovery. I think one can end up in a vicious cycle of stress causing more vA from liver into system combined with a slowing of detoxification, resulting in more stress/anxiety...
@lil-chick That makes a LOT of sense. And yeah, the only type one diabetic I know was always skinny (and still is), however the type twos in my life all have rolls or big belleys. I am guessing the lack of body fat is one reason I developed CFS/ME and mental illness as a teen. 🧠 Wish I knew why the VA (if it does work as we suspect) goes to the bones and joints in this person, or the pancreas in that person.
Could VA (and alcohol) have another "friend"?
I was thinking about policemen as I drove to work today. A cliche about policmen is... that they have beer guts due to eating donuts and coffee all day. There is a little diner near me, and many of the regulars there, and some of the workers... also seem to be suffering from these types of problems.
I've gone on and on about my food attacks, and deep fried foods are another trigger (along with high VA foods and alcohol). Also long-slow-fatty BBQ--but I think that might be the same problem as with deep-fry.
I would guess that the body ALSO considers something in deep fry... just as toxic as VA, and squirrels it away in the same manner. Possibly aldehydes? https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/02/120222093508.htm
"Fried food risks: Toxic aldehydes detected in reheated oil"
Edited to add: Grant gently cooks his meats, and it doesn't appear that he'd have many of these aldehydes due to over-heating fats or oils in his diet. (neither does he include alcohol, IIRC)
Edited again: (LOL) I'm addicted to the Townsends chanell (on historic cooking) and I've been reading an historical cookbook. SO MANY meals were boiled in the olden days. Sure meats were roasted for fun or when camping. And yes they did deep fry sometimes, even hundreds of years ago. But your basic, everyday meal MOST days... was what we modern people would call a "one-pot boiled dinner".
Lil chick you are right food was boiled. Vegetables were boiled in the pot or used as wraps. Whatever would keep without refrigeration- refrigerators were small and power always went out.
But back then there was lots of VA in Casein and Whey based baby formula, starting in the 50s, and the prenatal vitamins started in the 70s. So toxicity would have started young but maybe perhaps accumulated more slowly, in spite of the milk we drank, as we had to fill up on starches-bread, biscuits, cereal, rice pasta. A lot of families had 3-5 kids and there just wasn't a lot of food. We had no sunscreen. No big meat dinners except on Sundays, holidays. And we didn't fry anything, just used the oil for baking. Eating out was rare, no fast food in town until the late 60s.
If you were too thin grandma fed you more:) Our parents had plenty of heart disease, diabetes and strokes in their 50s but not the younger people. Diabetes in young people and fatty liver like now were unheard of, and chubby kids weren't unhealthy. I think we definitely accumulated Toxic A, I mean our baby formulas were Casein and Whey. Maybe it was a slower poisoning than the kids/young adults now, who started on on formulas, always took kids vitamins, stay indoors, had a lifetime of fortified processed foods, fried foods, trans fats, retinyl palmitate in lotions, sunblocks, and much more beta carotene in the food. I dont know the reason there is so much diabetes so young but it wouldn't surprise me if there's adrenal damage from A toxicity with impaired fat metabolism. Except for those in tough home situations, we also had way less stress.