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Quote from lil chick on February 18, 2021, 6:00 amQuote from Arena on February 18, 2021, 5:43 amThat is very interesting! Does not that go against old wisdom, @rockarolla, that fiber is good for ya?
There is a book out called "fiber menace" or something like that. I haven't read it, but I've seen proponents of it here and there on the web. I actually believed fiber was a menace back when I couldn't do beans. I'm getting really good at beans now, though!
Quote from Arena on February 18, 2021, 5:43 amThat is very interesting! Does not that go against old wisdom, @rockarolla, that fiber is good for ya?
There is a book out called "fiber menace" or something like that. I haven't read it, but I've seen proponents of it here and there on the web. I actually believed fiber was a menace back when I couldn't do beans. I'm getting really good at beans now, though!
Quote from Orion on February 18, 2021, 9:01 amQuote from Arena on February 18, 2021, 1:16 amthis is very interesting, @orion! Crazy about your great night sleep! I drifted off into imagination by your choice of words, there! A piece of poetry! Sounds so blissful! Hope you get more of these nights.
It would be nice to have a separate thread about psyllium husk, easier to find again in the future. Is the hypothesis that this is beneficial for getting rid of VA from the liver based on the same argumentation that beans are beneficial? User @salt challenged this notion in another thread here, saying Garrett Smith had no foundation for claiming this, could anybody enlighten me? Would be interesting to try this psyllium husk thing, but if it leads to constipation and the gut hanging out of the ass, no way.
@are I definitely think it has been proven through studies that VA predominatly is excreted out through the bile, so having something that binds it is important, so I do think beans, charcoal, and pysllium are key here, but it is the quantity and timing that will have affect on metabolism. Beans offer binding and also nutrients so might best, charcoal and pysllium have no nutrients and really seem to bind very well, I noticed this after 4 days, by taking too much psyllium; cold feet, disturbed sleep, extra gas... I think everyone needs to experiment for what works best for them, but some type of binder should be helpful in keeping the VA coming out and leaving the body. Since I got the best night sleep in a super long time, I was about to buy stock in psyllium! But I now know, I need to approach it more carefully. Like @jaj mentioned, it binds strongly.
Edit: don't forget mushrooms are good binders too
Quote from Arena on February 18, 2021, 1:16 amthis is very interesting, @orion! Crazy about your great night sleep! I drifted off into imagination by your choice of words, there! A piece of poetry! Sounds so blissful! Hope you get more of these nights.
It would be nice to have a separate thread about psyllium husk, easier to find again in the future. Is the hypothesis that this is beneficial for getting rid of VA from the liver based on the same argumentation that beans are beneficial? User @salt challenged this notion in another thread here, saying Garrett Smith had no foundation for claiming this, could anybody enlighten me? Would be interesting to try this psyllium husk thing, but if it leads to constipation and the gut hanging out of the ass, no way.
@are I definitely think it has been proven through studies that VA predominatly is excreted out through the bile, so having something that binds it is important, so I do think beans, charcoal, and pysllium are key here, but it is the quantity and timing that will have affect on metabolism. Beans offer binding and also nutrients so might best, charcoal and pysllium have no nutrients and really seem to bind very well, I noticed this after 4 days, by taking too much psyllium; cold feet, disturbed sleep, extra gas... I think everyone needs to experiment for what works best for them, but some type of binder should be helpful in keeping the VA coming out and leaving the body. Since I got the best night sleep in a super long time, I was about to buy stock in psyllium! But I now know, I need to approach it more carefully. Like @jaj mentioned, it binds strongly.
Edit: don't forget mushrooms are good binders too
Quote from leap7 on February 18, 2021, 9:13 pm@lil-chick I started taking an iodine supplement and have been inconsistent with it. I think it did reduce some puffiness in my face, but nothing yet for menstrual cycles. Hearing that it took you a year to regulate everything encourages me to be more consistent with it.
@lil-chick I started taking an iodine supplement and have been inconsistent with it. I think it did reduce some puffiness in my face, but nothing yet for menstrual cycles. Hearing that it took you a year to regulate everything encourages me to be more consistent with it.
Quote from lil chick on February 19, 2021, 7:06 am@orion, I've never eaten after dinner (ie not a night-time snacker), and it never occurred to me until your post that I might be doing myself in when it comes to sleep. One of the reasons I've come to hate travel is that I have enough trouble sleeping here under the conditions I'm in control of. I'm going to have to experiment with night-time snacking especially with regards to travel (when you might be burning extra calories anyways).
To all, I want to point out that cold hands and feet might not always be down to thyroid, they might also be about unhappy capillaries. As I've said before, I think VA toxicity expresses as "eczema of any organ" and the vascular system is not immune. When taken to extremes you get things like Raynauds phenomenon.
I have a pet theory that when the body works on fixing the vascular system you get a little burst of blood sometimes. Perhaps that is what causes the cherry angiomas that some have talked about. I have had my rosacea spontaneously bleed and also inside the nose. I think that the alcohol flush has to do with this too-- the alcohol opens up these unhappy capilaries (for good or bad, don't know which).
I think another way to talk about this "eczema of any organ" is the word sclerosis. The peeling/flaking facial skin many think of as "dry skin" here is this, IMO. I also think the peeling helps get rid of some VA.
I think as we detox the tissues will become softer, and the capillaries will work better to keep us warm.
This is not my hand. I think something is also up with nerves as well in Raynauds. Probably sclerosis of them too. Raynauds is usually seen with scleroderma (harding of skin) and lupus (a chronic disease that can cause inflammation and pain in any part of your body). The end game of lupus is kidney failure such as Grant's.
@orion, I've never eaten after dinner (ie not a night-time snacker), and it never occurred to me until your post that I might be doing myself in when it comes to sleep. One of the reasons I've come to hate travel is that I have enough trouble sleeping here under the conditions I'm in control of. I'm going to have to experiment with night-time snacking especially with regards to travel (when you might be burning extra calories anyways).
To all, I want to point out that cold hands and feet might not always be down to thyroid, they might also be about unhappy capillaries. As I've said before, I think VA toxicity expresses as "eczema of any organ" and the vascular system is not immune. When taken to extremes you get things like Raynauds phenomenon.
I have a pet theory that when the body works on fixing the vascular system you get a little burst of blood sometimes. Perhaps that is what causes the cherry angiomas that some have talked about. I have had my rosacea spontaneously bleed and also inside the nose. I think that the alcohol flush has to do with this too-- the alcohol opens up these unhappy capilaries (for good or bad, don't know which).
I think another way to talk about this "eczema of any organ" is the word sclerosis. The peeling/flaking facial skin many think of as "dry skin" here is this, IMO. I also think the peeling helps get rid of some VA.
I think as we detox the tissues will become softer, and the capillaries will work better to keep us warm.
This is not my hand. I think something is also up with nerves as well in Raynauds. Probably sclerosis of them too. Raynauds is usually seen with scleroderma (harding of skin) and lupus (a chronic disease that can cause inflammation and pain in any part of your body). The end game of lupus is kidney failure such as Grant's.

Quote from Vinero on February 20, 2021, 2:44 am@orion @jaj If psyllium and charcoal bind so very well with bile and VA, shouldn't you feel better after taking psyllium? The psyllium binds with VA and bile in the gut right? A binder like psyllium or charcoal should make the vitamin A in your gut "inactive" , or the VA toxic bile gets excreted instead of reabsorbed. Either way, there should be less vitamin A toxic bile getting reabsorbed if you take a binder like psyllium. How come you feel worse then? If you get cold feet, disturbed sleep and extra gas, maybe psyllium is just having a bad effect on your gut?
I guess my question is: how come people feel worse when they are getting rid of VA toxic bile? If the toxic bile is leaving/ being excreted because of a binder like psyllium, people should feel better since toxins are leaving.
@orion @jaj If psyllium and charcoal bind so very well with bile and VA, shouldn't you feel better after taking psyllium? The psyllium binds with VA and bile in the gut right? A binder like psyllium or charcoal should make the vitamin A in your gut "inactive" , or the VA toxic bile gets excreted instead of reabsorbed. Either way, there should be less vitamin A toxic bile getting reabsorbed if you take a binder like psyllium. How come you feel worse then? If you get cold feet, disturbed sleep and extra gas, maybe psyllium is just having a bad effect on your gut?
I guess my question is: how come people feel worse when they are getting rid of VA toxic bile? If the toxic bile is leaving/ being excreted because of a binder like psyllium, people should feel better since toxins are leaving.
Quote from Jiří on February 20, 2021, 3:13 am@vinero I don't feel better taking psyllium, but when I have headache and/or stomach issues like bloating, gas, diarrhea basically mostly symptoms of endotoxin than taking 1tsp of activated charcoal mixed in water works almost instantly. Like within 5 minutes headache is gone and soon after gut issues are gone as well..
@vinero I don't feel better taking psyllium, but when I have headache and/or stomach issues like bloating, gas, diarrhea basically mostly symptoms of endotoxin than taking 1tsp of activated charcoal mixed in water works almost instantly. Like within 5 minutes headache is gone and soon after gut issues are gone as well..
Quote from Orion on February 20, 2021, 7:51 am@vinero the only really bad symptom I got from psyllium was the semi insomnia(after 2 days), but I think that is due to binding up calories taking it with meals and not away from meals. But this is just a guess. I will be starting the experiment again on Monday, but just 1tsp per day away hours away from food.
@vinero the only really bad symptom I got from psyllium was the semi insomnia(after 2 days), but I think that is due to binding up calories taking it with meals and not away from meals. But this is just a guess. I will be starting the experiment again on Monday, but just 1tsp per day away hours away from food.
Quote from Jenny on February 21, 2021, 5:33 am@vinero I think that it’s the Goldilocks thing again. You want enough soluble fibre to escort toxic bile out of the body but it seems that too much can induce more dumping & become an ‘agitator’ of vA (lots of people are finding this).
It seems that some soluble fibres/binders are more powerful at inducing dumping of vA into the system (maybe psyllium is one?) & therefore overdoing these can create a VA toxicity problem where too much has come out of storage and the body’s detoxification systems are overwhelmed.
Finding the right level will be an individual thing I imagine. I’ve cranked up the psyllium from a teaspoon (2.5g) twice a day to two teaspoons (5g) twice/three times a day. I’ve now got some symptoms that seem like vA toxicity. I’m suspecting (but I don’t know this) that the increase in psyllium is involved. I may be wrong & it could be something else agitating my vA or it could be nothing to do with vA!
@vinero I think that it’s the Goldilocks thing again. You want enough soluble fibre to escort toxic bile out of the body but it seems that too much can induce more dumping & become an ‘agitator’ of vA (lots of people are finding this).
It seems that some soluble fibres/binders are more powerful at inducing dumping of vA into the system (maybe psyllium is one?) & therefore overdoing these can create a VA toxicity problem where too much has come out of storage and the body’s detoxification systems are overwhelmed.
Finding the right level will be an individual thing I imagine. I’ve cranked up the psyllium from a teaspoon (2.5g) twice a day to two teaspoons (5g) twice/three times a day. I’ve now got some symptoms that seem like vA toxicity. I’m suspecting (but I don’t know this) that the increase in psyllium is involved. I may be wrong & it could be something else agitating my vA or it could be nothing to do with vA!
Quote from Tanveen on May 18, 2025, 5:43 amI wondered if anyone had any insight into this - I have an under active thyroid and was badly damaged by the Covid vaccine (extreme vitamin a poisoning symptoms). I’ve been on a diet of chicken, rice, pinto beans, raisins and activated charcoal for 3 weeks. My joint pain and head/eye pressure is better but I am getting very itchy yellow skin and dark patches in the skin. Is this a normal detox reaction? Also, not sure when/if to start adding peeled apple and grapes at some point. Did you find that the amount of levothyroxine you took changed over time with the diet? Thank you
I wondered if anyone had any insight into this - I have an under active thyroid and was badly damaged by the Covid vaccine (extreme vitamin a poisoning symptoms). I’ve been on a diet of chicken, rice, pinto beans, raisins and activated charcoal for 3 weeks. My joint pain and head/eye pressure is better but I am getting very itchy yellow skin and dark patches in the skin. Is this a normal detox reaction? Also, not sure when/if to start adding peeled apple and grapes at some point. Did you find that the amount of levothyroxine you took changed over time with the diet? Thank you
Quote from Tanveen on May 18, 2025, 9:06 amAlso has anyone tried white carrots on the diet?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Carrot-Lunar-White-freebie-Heirloom/dp/B0F24Y1J2H/ref=asc_df_B0F24Y1J2H?mcid=7e13ea9127013df2933693809a69f940&hvocijid=2888051501163651518-B0F24Y1J2H-&hvexpln=74&tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=696285193871&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=2888051501163651518&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9044943&hvtargid=pla-2281435176658&psc=1&gad_source=1
Also has anyone tried white carrots on the diet?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Carrot-Lunar-White-freebie-Heirloom/dp/B0F24Y1J2H/ref=asc_df_B0F24Y1J2H?mcid=7e13ea9127013df2933693809a69f940&hvocijid=2888051501163651518-B0F24Y1J2H-&hvexpln=74&tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=696285193871&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=2888051501163651518&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9044943&hvtargid=pla-2281435176658&psc=1&gad_source=1