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tim on June 2, 2020, 12:38 am
After I finished many weeks of dysbiosis herbs with great results I started some probiotics and immediately my problems flared up again. I then quit the probiotics and did another week of herbs and was fine. I stopped the herbs months ago and I can happily say it has been like a miracle, a real health success story those dysbiosis herbs. I only found out about them from a study and used the ones from the study.
If you think about it, taking probiotics is the worst thing you can do for SIBO. Gut flora is very complex, the bacteria in probiotics do not help to replenish lost gut flora but they can help to get SIBO started up again.
After I finished many weeks of dysbiosis herbs with great results I started some probiotics and immediately my problems flared up again. I then quit the probiotics and did another week of herbs and was fine. I stopped the herbs months ago and I can happily say it has been like a miracle, a real health success story those dysbiosis herbs. I only found out about them from a study and used the ones from the study.
If you think about it, taking probiotics is the worst thing you can do for SIBO. Gut flora is very complex, the bacteria in probiotics do not help to replenish lost gut flora but they can help to get SIBO started up again.
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lil chick on June 2, 2020, 6:48 am
That is interesting, Tim, that you've gotten the "ick" on probiotics! I have seen some things that made me wonder about them. My nana, the one who lived to 100, did NOT like their effect when her doctor and I suggested them. I have also associated them in my life with urinary tract infection (but thought that it must be because of detox).
Are you still good with probiotic foods? I assume so. I really think that plain organic yogurt fixed my baby's broken gut after prolonged antibiotic usage.
That is interesting, Tim, that you've gotten the "ick" on probiotics! I have seen some things that made me wonder about them. My nana, the one who lived to 100, did NOT like their effect when her doctor and I suggested them. I have also associated them in my life with urinary tract infection (but thought that it must be because of detox).
Are you still good with probiotic foods? I assume so. I really think that plain organic yogurt fixed my baby's broken gut after prolonged antibiotic usage.
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tim on June 2, 2020, 7:30 am
@lil-chick
I don't consume any probiotic foods and haven't since finishing the gut bug wipe out herbs and things are great. I would tend to think that it is lactic acid in sauerkraut and yoghurt rather than the bacteria that is helpful. Thoughts?
@lil-chick
I don't consume any probiotic foods and haven't since finishing the gut bug wipe out herbs and things are great. I would tend to think that it is lactic acid in sauerkraut and yoghurt rather than the bacteria that is helpful. Thoughts?
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tim on June 2, 2020, 7:45 am
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/08/180806095213.htm
Lactic acid seems pretty bad when produced in the gut. I wonder how different it is when we eat lacto fermented foods containing it? Perhaps it helps in some ways but hurts in others.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/08/180806095213.htm
Lactic acid seems pretty bad when produced in the gut. I wonder how different it is when we eat lacto fermented foods containing it? Perhaps it helps in some ways but hurts in others.
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lil chick on June 3, 2020, 7:37 am
I have a hankering for things like pickles and vinegar but the urge is met with small amounts. Some people here have tried vinegar regimens and eventually got "the ick" on them, and I understand that intuition.
Nana ate pickles in small amounts. Her sisters, also centenarians, did the vinegar cure (a tablespoon in water each morning with honey and water). I have young relatives who are fairly crazy for pickles, even to the point of fighting over them or pilfering jars, LOL.
They seem pretty important in many cuisines.
Perhaps it is something as simple as providing acid to the stomach. A little glass of red wine might have a similar effect.
I have a hankering for things like pickles and vinegar but the urge is met with small amounts. Some people here have tried vinegar regimens and eventually got "the ick" on them, and I understand that intuition.
Nana ate pickles in small amounts. Her sisters, also centenarians, did the vinegar cure (a tablespoon in water each morning with honey and water). I have young relatives who are fairly crazy for pickles, even to the point of fighting over them or pilfering jars, LOL.
They seem pretty important in many cuisines.
Perhaps it is something as simple as providing acid to the stomach. A little glass of red wine might have a similar effect.
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Joel on June 3, 2020, 9:31 am
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tim on June 1, 2020, 6:21 pm
B12, zinc, choline, taurine, DHA, K2... there are plenty of nutrients we get from meat that we can't get from plants easily. Also it makes it impossible to get enough protein if you have a decent muscle mass and you don't want to take legume derived protein powders.
@tim-2 Is something wrong with protein powder / amino acid powder from legumes? Because I started supplementing it a week ago.
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tim on June 1, 2020, 6:21 pm
B12, zinc, choline, taurine, DHA, K2... there are plenty of nutrients we get from meat that we can't get from plants easily. Also it makes it impossible to get enough protein if you have a decent muscle mass and you don't want to take legume derived protein powders.
@tim-2 Is something wrong with protein powder / amino acid powder from legumes? Because I started supplementing it a week ago.
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tim on June 4, 2020, 3:35 am
@joel
I don't know much about them. I think protein powder in general is a terrible idea though.
@joel
I don't know much about them. I think protein powder in general is a terrible idea though.
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Anna2 on December 1, 2022, 10:28 am
I'm in the same boat as you.
Retinoids are anti-adipogenic, anti-androgenic and cytotoxic. That implies a triple whammy of disrupted lipid accumulation/anorexia, muscle wasting/poor anabolic growth and an overall mangled ability to regenerate.
Do you have bone issues, fragile skin and poor wound healing as well?
I'm in the same boat as you.
Retinoids are anti-adipogenic, anti-androgenic and cytotoxic. That implies a triple whammy of disrupted lipid accumulation/anorexia, muscle wasting/poor anabolic growth and an overall mangled ability to regenerate.
Do you have bone issues, fragile skin and poor wound healing as well?
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Anna2 on December 1, 2022, 11:31 am
Additionally,
Because the plasma levels of vitamin A (retinol or ATRA) increase with aging (Gueguen et al, 2005), the increase of ATRA that occurs with aging may accelerate cellular senescence in the muscle via the induction of GADD34, resulting in muscle atrophy in elderly patients. It has been reported that aged mice exhibit an increase of slow muscle fibers but a decrease of fast muscle fibers (Shang et al, 2020). These results are in line with the effects of GADD34 on myotubes that were observed in our study. Because we also revealed that ATRA mediates muscle atrophy via decreasing both MYHC types in mice, ATRA-induced GADD34 protein may contribute to the acceleration of decreasing type 2 MYHC expressions.
https://www.life-science-alliance.org/content/5/7/e202101345
I'm pretty sure Grant referred to that in his book, but aged people do have more retinoids in them. And now there's evidence that retinoid accumulation actually causes age related skeletal muscle wasting.
Additionally,
Because the plasma levels of vitamin A (retinol or ATRA) increase with aging (Gueguen et al, 2005), the increase of ATRA that occurs with aging may accelerate cellular senescence in the muscle via the induction of GADD34, resulting in muscle atrophy in elderly patients. It has been reported that aged mice exhibit an increase of slow muscle fibers but a decrease of fast muscle fibers (Shang et al, 2020). These results are in line with the effects of GADD34 on myotubes that were observed in our study. Because we also revealed that ATRA mediates muscle atrophy via decreasing both MYHC types in mice, ATRA-induced GADD34 protein may contribute to the acceleration of decreasing type 2 MYHC expressions.
https://www.life-science-alliance.org/content/5/7/e202101345
I'm pretty sure Grant referred to that in his book, but aged people do have more retinoids in them. And now there's evidence that retinoid accumulation actually causes age related skeletal muscle wasting.
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Hermes on December 2, 2022, 6:31 am
Some of us here have noticed reversal of the typical aging process: Instead of getting older, they get younger as they age. Stronger, more vital. Less frail. More energy. Didn't your memory improve @ourania, since you started the low vA journey?
Some of us here have noticed reversal of the typical aging process: Instead of getting older, they get younger as they age. Stronger, more vital. Less frail. More energy. Didn't your memory improve @ourania, since you started the low vA journey?
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