Quote from Liz on July 4, 2019, 11:25 am

Thanks @bludicka. That is interesting infornation. Coffee enemas daily for 3,5 years?! yikes 😳 Mercury i am instantly thinking of fish. Copper, yes chocolate and veggies. All three were my staples for years and years and probably for others in here too. And with endometriosis, i def have estrogen issues. Really should get around to do a hair test. Have been thinking about it for years. That and a DNA test to find out my genetics regarding metabolizing estrogen and other things. The only thing I am sure of are A issues and now also Oxalate issues. But that alone is a handful. You sure have tried many many things...

Regarding water - you ever considered cleaning it, like distilling it or reverse osmosis? Lots of things in water that should not be there besides copper, like hormones from birth control to mention one.

 

Quote from bludicka on July 4, 2019, 1:54 pm

I am using water filter (I have a combination of microbial filter+heavy metals+carbon filter) but I don't like reverse osmosis and distilled water. I am testing copper in water only if I live somewhere else, I have a portable water filter but it can't remove copper, iron... And with the coffee enema... I did twice a day but only with 250-400 ml for 15 minutes, it is not so difficult at all but still very effective.  I no longer have any problems with estrogen, but I had all my life and nothing really helped on a long term basis, only copper and heavy metals detox, mineral balancing and now low VA diet.

Quote from tim on July 4, 2019, 4:13 pm

A few thoughts:

Water filters, I'm especially thinking of those Brita ones can give you tummy troubles due to bacterial growth within the filter.

Seafood is very healthy if it is low VA and low mercury. There is a lot of low mercury seafood but only a small selection of low VA seafood.

Copper: Looks like potatoes are high in it? :-/

Quote from lil chick on July 4, 2019, 4:32 pm

I often use distilled to wash my face and have intuited that something about our water doesn't help whatever it is that my skin is going through.

We used to have a visitor here with crohns disease.  He always said when he came to my house overnight he flared.   Some here wondered if it was our water, but it could have been the butter I poured over everything lol.

Our water tastes great, unlike city water.  Our area has lots of possible ways that the water could be getting polluted, but nothing too scary has turned up in testing.  Besides hardness it also has a lot of dissolved solids.

I'm pretty sure we are meant to drink surface water that rains down into shallow bodies of water with a clay liner at the bottom adding a few molecules... not water from 1000 feet down.   RO might be closer to that than deep well water is?    sigh

It destroys any sort of appliance that uses water, like dishwashers or coffee makers.

Quote from bludicka on July 4, 2019, 9:59 pm

Quote from tim on July 4, 2019, 4:13 pm

A few thoughts:

Water filters, I'm especially thinking of those Brita ones can give you tummy troubles due to bacterial growth within the filter.

Seafood is very healthy if it is low VA and low mercury. There is a lot of low mercury seafood but only a small selection of low VA seafood.

Copper: Looks like potatoes are high in it? :-/

Some copper foods are ok (we need copper, the balance is important) if there is enough zinc, it is a zinc-copper ratio what is important. E.g. sesame seeds contain zinc, but a quantity of copper ...bad zinc-copper ratio. The best zinc food is beef meat.

Bacterial growth within the filter - it can be problem but I have microbial filter and then carbon filter - all the water that goes into the carbon filter is bacterially clean, only some viruses can get there.

All food from the sea is contaminated today, not just mercury, arsenic is problem, microplastics.

Quote from tim on July 5, 2019, 1:55 am

Quote from bludicka on July 4, 2019, 9:59 pm

Quote from tim on July 4, 2019, 4:13 pm

A few thoughts:

Water filters, I'm especially thinking of those Brita ones can give you tummy troubles due to bacterial growth within the filter.

Seafood is very healthy if it is low VA and low mercury. There is a lot of low mercury seafood but only a small selection of low VA seafood.

Copper: Looks like potatoes are high in it? :-/

Some copper foods are ok (we need copper, the balance is important) if there is enough zinc, it is a zinc-copper ratio what is important. E.g. sesame seeds contain zinc, but a quantity of copper ...bad zinc-copper ratio. The best zinc food is beef meat.

Bacterial growth within the filter - it can be problem but I have microbial filter and then carbon filter - all the water that goes into the carbon filter is bacterially clean, only some viruses can get there.

All food from the sea is contaminated today, not just mercury, arsenic is problem, microplastics.

Thanks Bludicka,

One large potato (also high oxalate) has 0.5 mg - 56% daily copper and only 0.8mg - 7% daily zinc, if the copper/zinc theory is correct then it doesn't look great but I guess it's just a matter of avoiding over consumption.

One other thought re copper: Copper sulfate is used extensively in organic farming, I wonder if organic food is generally higher in copper because of this.

Re seafood: Just walking down a busy street and breathing the air gives you a lot of pollutants, I'm not discounting toxins in seafood (I never ate any tuna before low VA diet due to mercury) but there is a lot of variability of pollutants in different seafood and seafood is among the most nutritious and healthy foods we can eat. If you are going to worry about arsenic then you would never eat any rice among other foods. Also, man made mercury pollution is not the main cause of mercury in seafood. Underwater volcanoes supply most of it and seafood has always had mercury in it.

Quote from bludicka on July 5, 2019, 2:54 am

I've never had problems with potatoes... but I had with nuts, seeds, buckwheat, cocoa.... The total copper content in potatoes is not very high. And the zinc from meat is more available than from nuts, seeds and grains... possibly antinutrients, phytic acid? But with the copper was the opposite... the worst were nut butters, tahini, grains, carob, chocolate, green tea, mushrooms...

Arsenic in rice is a problem, I soak the rice and ferment it for one-two days, this can reduce the arsenic content.... And this is very important " metal capturing capacity" - the ability of foods to bind with heavy metals and therefore arsenic in whole rice with fiber is not so toxic as anorganic arsenic in water or arsenic in apple juice without protective fiber  :

http://labs.naturalnews.com/What-is-the-Metals-Capturing-Capacity.html

You are right, seafood is among the most nutritious and healthy foods we can eat - but not nowadays, seas and oceans are very polluted. You can see the test results for seaweeds by Mike Adams: http://labs.naturalnews.com/heavy-metals-chart-Superfoods-Sea-Vegetables.html

People ask me often, where did all the heavy metals come from? I don't know...I had only four small amalgam fillings, I've never worked in a risky environment, I remember I played with broken mercury thermometer as a kid and lots of vaccinations including hepatitis B.
More important than the source of mercury is the idea that people who get sick typically do so with exposures to heavy metals that don’t bother others.  The theory behind this is that the ones who get sick have deficient internal detoxification mechanisms.  Put simply, the unlucky ones don’t eliminate mercury the same way most of the population does. And the other important fact is that the heavy metal toxicity and copper toxicity can be transmitted from  mother to child - and this child is already born with weakened detoxification capacities, I wonder if the vitamin A toxicity can be transmitted too.

https://myersdetox.com/transcript-259-transgenerational-toxicity-how-we-pass-heavy-metals-to-our-children-wit-mindy-pelz/
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/1e36/84b90596d318473f2026f42e1b42bcf3a58e.pdf
https://nutritionrestored.com/blog-forum/topic/excess-poison-vitamin-a-intake-in-pregnancy-results-in-higher-poison-vitamin-a-in-babys-liver/

And because I am the one of the "lucky ones" I am doing preventively one Cutler cheleation round every 4-6 weeks, dmsa and especially dmps is good for arsenic chelation, dmsa, ALA for lead and mercury.

Quote from bludicka on July 5, 2019, 3:36 am

This is diet for people with Wilson disease:

https://www.gicare.com/gi-health-resources/copper-restriction/

Potatoes are allowed 1/2 cup in one portion -  I rarely eat more than 3-4 small potatoes and never chips and fries.

I found this now in the book from Ann Louise Gittleman: "Whole grains such as whole wheat and rye also can contribute to copper-zinc imbalance. Whole grains typically are listed as good sources of zinc and they do contain a significant amount. However because whole grains are rich in insoluble fiber and phytic acid the zinc they contain is less easily absorbed or less "bioavailable" than the zinc found in animal protein. Phytic acid and phosphorus like compound that binds with zinc and carries it out of the body unused. Many people switch from zinc stripped white flour products to whole grains to improve their health, unaware that eating the whole grains excessively can actually decrease ttheir zinc status. The more whole grains we eat, the more likely we are to develop zinc deficiency and as a result the more likely we are to experience copper buildup"

 

Quote from tim on July 5, 2019, 3:44 am

The copper levels of greens and nuts is not that high compared with potatoes but that could be it, phytates and possibly also oxalates too. If nuts, legumes and whole grains are consumed the phytates will reduce zinc absorption from the whole meal. So these foods may not cause copper toxicity simply due to their copper content but also due to other means.