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Jordan Peterson is very ill: carnivore, pharmaceuticals
Interesting posts here, thanks for all the food for thought, guys.
After reading "Jordan Peterson is still an addict" (pointer above) it occurred to me that him still being on a Pharma drug isn't the worst thing in the world (as I suggested in a prior post here, maybe he could get some good years simply by just staying on the psych drug he's addicted to, or even on steroids or something). One thing I've realized, by studying history and genealogy...plenty of people don't make it past their 60's. It's different for someone half his age to try to get out from under a drug dependence. The tradeoffs are more worth it when you are young. But why give up years in your sixties to make it until your seventies and then still die relatively young. Decisions are different for the young than for the old. Of course, these decisions are personal. Many people do want to max out their number of years. Some want to max out their quality of life.
The guy who invented AA still wanted booze at the end of his life. I think, IIRC, his requests were not honored. That's just nuts. OMG give a dying person what they ask for! Even the firing squad will give you your last cigarette.
Another thing that occurs to me, that I've seen with family and friends, is that it is awfully hard to switch teams away from pro-pharma/big med.... at that time of life. It's not bloody likely is what I've found. (doesn't that sound like something Jordan would say? haha). The only thing that clues me that he could be interested in alternatives is the fact that he went carnivore at all.
I sometimes watch the Hospice Nurse Julie. She cautions heavily against being a hero at death. It doesn't buy you any points in heaven to turn down the pain drugs. In her opinion, it doesn't make for a better death either. Why suffer? The end of life or when you are in deep pain is the ultimate time, IMO, to take up Pharma for whatever Pharma can do for you.
In fact, I think my own fear of Pharma has made me suffer too much and it effects my life in the form of my travel phobias etc. Living through too much pain has made me fearful about life in general. I need to cut the cord, forget what I've been through... but that ain't easy.
Jordan Peterson had an alcohol addiction in the first place, IIRC. He has videos about deciding to get alcohol out of his life. But then, IMO, he transferred his addiction to the Pharma drugs. (as that post above discusses, the drug of his choice is similar in nature to alcohol, but better LOL)
Transferring addictions is what happens because, basically addiction is....a lack of feel-good hormones. Feel-good hormones are necessary for life, you will die without them. You brain intrinsically knows this. If it isn't alcohol, it will be shopping, if it isn't shopping it will be sex. If it isn't sex it will be pain meds etc.
This is why rehab is so pitifully failure-prone. Because they aren't fixing the void of feel-good-hormones.
Getting your body to create feel-good hormones is probably going to take an holistic approach.
Some people on the webs have talked about using hallucinogens, things like amanita mushrooms to get to the root of addictions (re-calibrate the brain somehow?).
It could be that weed is also an alternative that is a bit less scary than other things. Weed will fill some of your empty feel-good receptors. Like many things, it will be a solution/substance he will then need for the rest of his life. And maybe those years will be better for it.
Quote from Jiří on November 10, 2025, 4:18 am@joe2 you are right. I completely forgot that he was heavy meds user for a long time. That complicates things much more than just unbalanced meat diet..
Some people blame him that he gives advice to others and is addict himself. I don't have problem with it. Because what he is talking about mostly are facts in all kinds of topics, but not about himself. So even if he would be real fuck up in personal life his work that he puts out there is still great and helped A LOT of people..
Agree and go beyond.
We are all poisoned in one way or another. We all have that weird and less weird bit of poisoned logic lurking somewhere in our base programming. Peterson's sanity and wisdom were profound and obvious when he dealt with occult psychotics like Sam Harris. His insanity and inhumanity became glaring when he publicly goaded Bibi to genocide.
@joe2 Well to be honest when it comes to religion I agree with Sam Harris in a lot of things. I think religion overal created much more suffering around the wolrd trough history than good. That's for sure. Christians are not exception. If I am proud about something when it comes to my country Czech Republic it has to be the fact that we have the biggest % of atheists if I am not mistaken..
I really hope for people in the future that they will be able to let it go and they will just look at religion as something completely insane we did in the past.. Same thing with factory farming for example heh..
But I watched debates of JP with Harris on religion and I think most normal rational people were on Harris side for sure. He speaks clearly, logically with common sense. JP was doing his traditional(when it comes to religion and if he believes in god and all that) saying a lot of words without saying anything basically.. Didn't have good arguments for what Harris was saying or asking..
I gently disagree. Jesus teachings are profound: Loving your enemies? Not heard before. Surrendering your ego to God is both anxiety-riddling and liberating. Now, have there been wars in the name of Christianity? Absolutely. But they missed the message altogether. Christianity has been used and abused for ages. Not any different today.
If you are atheist, you're open to all sorts of deeply troubling ideas: Communism and fascism. People maybe more agnostic or even atheist these days, but they flock in great masses to causes that replace their longing for religious experiences: Feminism, climate activism, woke ideology, etc. And if they can't get the revolutions they want, they simply burn down whatever they can. These are all very destructive ideologies.
Biblical Christianity is so far off from wars. Whoever has read the New Testament knows this. Christianity is deeply rooted in realistic epistemology, meaning whatever is real is true. Woke ideology is the reverse: Whatever is in your head is true. That's why they can say things like, "My true essence is female," though I'm a male. That's what I call insanity. Christianity is reality promoting.
All these are making my point stronger. In all of history, find me one person who has been all wrong all the time on everything. Now find me one horrifically evil person who was not amazingly right on at least one critically important issue of the day. One good test is to take ideas to their extreme to see where they lead. Old enough to remember Sam Harris' admissions that destroyed his remaining credibility on all other subjects.
Sam Harris: Trump, Religion, Wokeness
It is a matter of conflating good ideas with evil similar sounding ideas. Sure religion is bad when forced on other people. So is sex. Now does that mean that we are all better off if religion and sex were eliminated? Note that I am not tying religion and sex in together in a blackmailing kind of way. That would be more conflating.
Most of the real genius I have found is in the simplicity of beliefs and tests of those beliefs. Most of the genius is in avoidance of conflating and confounding issues in beliefs. Hence Grant does not advertise nor evangelize low vA. Even as he presents the single best example of and argument for low vA.
If my vaccine works, why do I care if you have one? Or a mask? Or a vaccine passport? If my religion works why do I need you to have mine? Or any religion? Or to even know mine? What I do need is to know you by your actions. Rituals and declarations of beliefs are deceptive at best. Bolsheviks and African National Congressionals murdered farmers in their quest to help the poor. How did that turn out? Just as Dutch farmers' cows are poisoned by Bovaer in quest to stop cow farts from causing global warming.
Examples are all around us all the time. This group or that group gets blamed and stereotyped and villainized while the real culprits are the hypocritical mobsters that run infiltrate and run these various groups. It is classic subversion. If every well intended good group with good ideas were not subverted, then one group would break through with excellent ideas that change the world in a profound irreversibly good way that not even the most powerful evil entities could stop.
The MAGA Divorce (This is the Civil War)
People get fed up with subverted leaders every few generations. When they work around their leaders is where profound ideas take over.
I remember reading somewhere that Jordan Peterson recently agreed to adding liver to his all-meat diet, but I can't find the source for that any place. Whether mold, pills or liver, between his father dying, wife dying, hectic public life... hell, I don't keep up but in researching for this comment, apparently an Ontario court forced him to undergo social media re-education 2 years ago.. so basically he's been undergoing a kind of crucifixion these last few years... suffice it to say that stress and trauma are known triggers for the retinoid cascade wherein every cell can potentially unload its retinol stores in order to take up glycogen.
I wasn't aware of that "cult psychotic" Sam Harris until Joe2 mentioned him. Jiri's defense led me to listen to a debate between Harris and Peterson from 2018.
I got about a half hour into it before Sam Harris got under my skin; the way he seemed to relish petty take downs of Christians (in particular) was familiar.. I checked into his take during covid and it became clear: That was a beautiful time in our history when the mask slipped and you saw who everyone around you was.
lil chick, that story about Bill Wilson, co-founder of AA, was a new one for me. I also learned that he left AA in 1956 in order to pursue LSD.. Your thoughts on the relative merits of quitting a substance in light of the probable years left has me thinking on my own recent abandonment of my vices. Oh beer, oh tobacco, how I miss them.
Benefits of being off them: Breathing, sleeping, money, time, health, energy (?). Negatives: That hollow feeling which food can't fill, which dissipation fills (temporarily) with the speed and efficiency of a concrete pump. The fact that tobacco is so maligned by the experts is a contrary indicator I have difficulty shaking. Perhaps it presents a tar barrier to aluminum, barium, strontium, etc. in the air, in the way those smokes in the film "Screamers" protected the people from radiation.. Perhaps there was something to the Native American idea that smoking tobacco was a way of communicating with the spirit world..
Back to the topic at hand, I've never trusted any of these gurus because they are so front and center of our attention. They are obviously placed there. The most interesting part of this to me is his daughter's framing of this as a spiritual battle for her father.
@christian "Now, have there been wars in the name of Christianity? Absolutely. But they missed the message altogether. Christianity has been used and abused for ages. Not any different today."
But that is exactly the reason why I don't like religion for example. Yes I can use it to my advantage for some positive, stress lowering effect, but I am not talking about just myself. I can't ignore how much suffering it caused in hands of evil people. Therefore I am for no religion and simply for good people.
" Surrendering your ego to God is both anxiety-riddling and liberating. "
See I was able to do that without some made up stuff that was passed on from generation to generation in order to control people basically aka religion.
I was able to do that mostly by the fact that I was forced to spend years by myself alone doing nothing and just thinking about different things that most people don't have think of are afraid to think about when they are busy to do whatever they do these days.. I was looking more into nature, what is around use outside of our planet etc..
So when you see say "If you are atheist, you're open to all sorts of deeply troubling ideas: Communism and fascism. "
In my case and I think in case of many others as well it is exact opposite. You see what people are doing on this little rock floating around some star in one galaxy of many as a joke basically. All those cope mechanisms people created. All those games to keep them entertained. You simply can't take seriously any of that.
So no I can't end up as communist or fascist. Because I learned to be honest with myself and every time I try to enter some cope/game people are doing voice in my head instantly start saying wtf are you doing you pathetic fool. To the point I really can't live "normal" life as "normal" people because you see basically in 90+% of stuff people are doing is just nonsense driven by some cope or ego.
I think it is fair to say that I belong to that group of people I don't know how they call it black pill or something. That I can't unsee the truth and real reality of things in this world. I simply can't pretend and act as some cope/ ego game is real stuff and live it even if it means I will suffer to the day I die.
So it is not like I will have real trouble in my life and I start to seek some religion so I don't feel alone or that I don't have to worry that it is in hand of someone else or any of that bullshit. I was there already and all I did was accepting the situation as it is. Do I used other copes like video games, exercise, food, betting or whatever? For sure. All of those make sense to me why you would use it. But it never made sense to me why use religion as cope.
Look I have no problem with religion as long as it doesn't effect or hurt others. I love to observe what other people are into. Looking at beautiful churches or even how it some people helps as a cope and makes them feel good it is amazing. But just for me personally I simply can't be part of it.
Like saying this is our cope to feel good and to keep going on this crazy world that is all good. But in 2025 you want to start argue about that some god created humans, that there is no evolution and basically everything we learned from amazing and smart people is not true. What is true is what is in the book from the time where people had no idea about anything? You really want to force me to truly believe in it? Well so far I am sane person. So maybe once I get dementia you can try again later.. But for now it is not happening and as cope I would rather kill my self with exercise or lose myself in some good movie or whatever..
Oh and btw just so we are not so off topic here god will not help JP in any away. It can actually only hurt him if he spends any time focusing on god instead on research what he should do to get healthy. That is just one great example from real reality of this world how it works..
All addictions can be broken. Including addictive blogging.
Two men started AA. Rockefeller minions executed a hostile takeover of AA's board of directors and ran Bill Wilson, the MD out of AA. Wilson worked with Abram Hoffer to achieve an amazing recidivism rate. They played well with niacin and thiamine. As with all drug use, it is a double edged blade. Once well enough antidoted the drug / supplement turns on us. Used well niacin and thiamine can be a valuable tools. After Wilson was purged, AA's recidivism rate dropped to the current miserable rate. No better than success rate of individuals who quit on their own.
I was raised by a family of nurses. One close to me hospiced, taught me how and was partially hospiced by me. She passed at 94. In her early 70's she suffered progressively worse asthma attacks. She relied on progressively higher and more frequent steroid doses. I confronted her in her 80's that she painted herself into a corner. She admitted that her prognosis was ever increasing doses with ever decreasing effectiveness. I did what I could to help her from my own experience and successes. In the end, it was on her. She acknowledged that getting off steroids for asthma is uncommon. She did it a couple years later. Most of our life she was my biggest adversary. That changed when I told her how much respect she earned by getting that monkey off her back at that age. Baffled that no one else in our family recognized her for that.
Ironically and probably related she later broke a hip. I had been paleo / keto 5 or so years with much success. She was a sugar junkie and refused to try. While awaiting surgery and for a month after, she ate paleo / keto. She denied it when I noticed her leaving the carbs on her plate. Offered her favorite carrot cake to her repeatedly. Refused and told me it hurt too much. Such a smug grimace while she insisted she was not eating low carb while refusing all carbs.
This is the same woman who excluded her 2 older brothers from her family for 5 decades over alcoholism. Same woman's husband was pharma marketing rep. Same woman played a big part in my antibiotics abuse and dependency.
All addictions can be beaten. Will power plays a small part. Peterson is a smart guy. If anyone can learn what he needs to do to beat it, he can. One of the first points he needs to learn is who his friends are and are not. And where pharma fits in that list. Given his rhetoric over covid, Pfizer and Israel, his odds at the bookies are low and dropping. Low vA will be a big factor in that process if he does it.
Incidentally, I agree when dying (legal term is palliative care) the dying need to be allowed anything they want. Including the wildest alternative therapies and or including no drugs at all. Have administered (and sampled) some of the strongest opiates and pain killers. I took a pass on them these last 30 years. In my worst and longest acute pain early 2023, I tried a gummy. In the five months of sleeping 2 or 3 times a night for 15 minute naps, that was the only night I slept hours. When it wore off, the pain was worse. It was nice to give the other occupants of the house a few hours of peace. It was a horrible idea for me and unhelpful. If that level of pain ever returns, I might try serrapeptase. Doubt I will try much more.
@joe2 in most cases addiction is not a problem. It is solution that your mind came up with for life problems.. Yeah sure there are cases of people who had perfect life. Once tried some hardcore drug from stupid reason and after that they couldn't stop or you get injured and you start to take pain pills and next thing you know your pain is long gone, but you need those pills to feel normal.. But in majority of cases addictions simply replace what is missing in life. For example in my case I as a kid chose video games to escape of reality of my life. The bad health, no puberty in teen years. Therefore no friends that I could relate to etc.. From the outside people would look at me and say this kid is ruining his best years with video games. Not realizing that without those video games I would kill myself 100%.. Because at that time I didn't have any solutions for fixing my issues. There was nobody to help me with diet, supplements, how to balance hormones, how to heal digestion etc.. In fact I did amazing job to not seeking help anywhere else but in PC games. If I did I would end up much worse on all kinds meds and stuff that would ruin me even more. Well I did anyways eventually like on accutane. But like I said I didn't know any better.. So when you are 18y0 you have hardly any puberty, you have crazy acne. Nobody wants to even talk to you and you feel lost like little kid in big city what you do. Escaping to virtual world of PC games saved my life. I had some friends there. I was actually good in something etc.. Less unfortunate kids start to do hard drugs or drink or just kill themselves..
So there is a difference between real addiction that is the problem that is ruining your life or if it is addiction that is actually solution for your issues at that time..