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@tim-2 hair test is very easy to do type of biopsy. Yes it is useless for people who can't read the results. Because when you have something low or high that doesn't mean you are toxic in it like in case of calcium and just because your copper is low or even very low doesn't mean you are deficient.. People that can read hair tests and know where to look on what ratios of minerals they can see what is probably going on in the body. Especially when you have more tests and you can compare them what changed etc.. during the time when you were doing A and B etc.. It will give you much better picture than in most cases useless blood tests. Blood tests are good only to measure systemic proteins like ferritin, ceruloplasmin and hormones. Which is great info when you can look at that and the hair test together.. The problem is that people don't understand how important minerals are. They think that if your main electrolyte in the blood are in the range. You are good. Which is crazy, because it is like 1950 thinking, but doctors still don't know better.. Minerals run the show, but they still don't test for it. They simply don't give a fuck. Everybody thinks that if you live in country where you can buy what you want for food you can't be deficient in something and they will not start testing for minerals. It doesn't make them any money to say someone that he should take this, this and this mineral and stay away from this foods high in this mineral etc.. That's how it should be. But never will be lol..
@tim-2: I know a few people here in Switzerland who are electrosensitive (one of them actually stopped his job because it was impossible for him to continue working with computers and another lady lives basically in a forest since her heart goes crazy when exposed to even low level emfs so I have been interested in the subject for a few years now. They tried the no vit A diet for many months with some benefits but nothing definite. Since I read and experiment a lot (I have no problem myself but have many people in my family and close friends who have), I know quite a bit about hair testing/provocation tests (dmps etc.), urine testing etc. Trying to understand what was going with electrosensitive people I was bit puzzled because many things didnt make sense but I suspected aluminum toxicity and zinc deficiency for a long time. Then I read "The Invisible Rainbow" where he basically explains that it is a zinc toxicity. I told a few electrosensitve people about it and some of them made the urine test which was in every case positive (I mean they had too much zinc) which was not the case when they did hair testing etc (some hair tests showed zinc deficiency some not and they supplemented zinc making their symptoms worse in one case at least). Then they reduced drastically zinc consumption (my friend who couldnt stand computers actually fasted and drank coconut water and took a copper supplement) - all of those who tried had almost immediate relief and he, for example, has no more symptom and can now go in the center of the city use his computer his phone etc. without any problem. The lady in the forest didnt took copper but fasted and ate very little - she is "cured". They both drand Volvic as I have read that it chelates both aluminum and zinc quite efficiently. They both tested their zinc urine it is now within the normal range. They achieved this in approx 1-2 months.
Long story short, I think the excess zinc blocks copper and iron metabolism which creates many problems. Also having too much zinc within the myelin sheaths of the nervous system makes the system oversensitive to electricity etc.
So far as I have seen, hair tests and chelation tests are good for some poisonings but very bad for zinc testing. Urine seems to work well.
An aside note is that the effects have been dramatic and quite fast (they both fasted so it helped for sure) so if anyone has these kind of problems it doesnt take too long to test and is non invasive. A third person did it just by cutting beef consumption and it seems to work as well but slower (huge improvments).
Also of importance is that you can try to get a very low zinc diet and you will see that is indeed almost impossible (except by fasting or drinking coconut water). So I guess zinc excess is really easy to achieve.
People are all different and some apparently accumulate too much zinc very easily why others not (the cause may be genetic or related to other aspects I do not know). The fact is they all had too much zinc in urine and avoiding zinc revereses their condition and pain.
Dont misunderstand me please, zinc is very important but I do think the "zinc deficiency and copper excess" doesnt hold and most peobably the opposite is true (or at least zinc toxicity is quite prevalent) so if you took supplememts with zinc then there is high probability that you are full if it and testing it in urine is non invasive and can help tremendously.
I dont think supplememting copper etc. should be done although my friend did it and it helped him a lot.
I guess everyone is different and many many things are possible but more than 10 years of experimentation and reading have shown me that "vit A" poisoning and zinc poisoning can be very easily achieved and that most "experts" have actually no clue, only the body knows (I have no clue as well but I do try to observe and make sense as much as possible and stay as open as possible so sometimes it helps and A/Zinc toxicity is something that really makes sense for me and that appears to be true on a broad scope in our modern living - as well as bad breathing patterns).
Hope this message is clear I am travelling and write "in between" so tired to re-read everything, lol.
"Also having too much zinc within the myelin sheaths of the nervous system makes the system oversensitive to electricity etc."
and what you think that excess of copper in the body is doing? I never heard zinc will make you EMF sensitive. but excess copper will do it for sure.
Thanks for that. You're right, many seem to think that you can't get enough zinc.
I think iron, copper, zinc and also manganese can often be problematic. I think this is normally due to imbalanced enzyme function where some enzymes are inhibited e.g. transketolase and some are promoted e.g. aromatase, three causes for this are Hypervitaminosis A, hormone imbalances and B vitamin deficiencies. But there are probably hundreds of causes. We don't have to identify the specific cause, we just need to be aware of the range of causes.
Obviously avoiding further intake of minerals that someone is toxic with is important though, you've illustrated this well.
Milk isn't high in iron, zinc, copper or manganese interestingly. That tells me that evolution favoured baby animals that got less of these minerals in their diet early on.
My staple foods are chicken, fish, white rice and refined wheat products, interestingly they are lower in these minerals than red meat and whole plant foods. I have red meat, mushrooms, nuts, legumes, whole grains, fruit and vegetables in my diet but they aren't staples.
@jiri: I think it is not important "what you heard" but the actual experience of emf sensitive people. My experience with them is that they heal by detoxing zinc.
By the way you have probably "heard" that vitamin A is good as well and you should have more and more of it but does it match your experience with it?
In any case everyone is free to do as one pleases I just share a "direct finding" but nobody will stop you from getting more and more zinc and avoiding copper, at least not me - feel free to do it.
@tim-2: you may be right for enzymes but the people I know avoided zinc only. Here in Switzerland at least everyone takes "A & zinc" for immune boost, never copper.
@dino My free copper (toxic copper unbound to ceruloplasmin)in serum is 15x times higher than upper limit of ref. range. So I will avoid copper for sure. I was eating good amount of copper last 5 years and my health was going down hill so fast it is not even funny. Btw I would never recommend anyone to blindly take zinc and avoid copper...
@jiri: I understand . May I ask the kind of symptoms you have? Electrosensitivity or other? Did you ever do a urine zinc test? It may be interesting to know your morning urine zinc levels.
It may be that I am wrong that's why I ask this but for now 100% of electrosensitive people responded to zinc detox so as far as I see emf-related sensibility/problems are zinc-related. And I am still sure many people worldwide are loaded with zinc (maybe also other minerals such as copper etc.) due to the "western" idea that supplementing is the way to go. Once again here in Switzerland many take zinc supplements every autumn/winter to battle "the flu" and now "Corona" and it is given to children like candies...
Interesting, by the way, is the fact that copper kills many pathogens on contact.
Transition metals such as manganese (Mn), iron (Fe) and zinc (Zn) are some of the essential metals for normal CNS development and function. Each must be present at specific levels to avoid deficiencies or toxic excess. The research in this thesis investigates the role of transition metals in diseases in which myelin is lost in the central nervous system (CNS). A loss of myelin is termed demyelination, and an example of a disease with prominent demyelination is multiple sclerosis. An incomplete formation of myelin sheaths is termed dysmyelination. This thesis focused on the measurements of manganese, iron and zinc concentrations in a rodent model of dysmyelination; the Long Evans Shaker (<em>les</em>) rat.<strong></strong></p> <p>The Long Evans Shaker (<em>les</em>) rat is a fragile, severely dysmyelinated rodent model with body tremors at a young age and severe ataxia in older rats. The mutation causing the severe dysmyelination in these rats is transmitted as an autosomal recessive trait. With a lifespan of 4 to 5 months, the <em>les</em> rat is markedly deficient in myelin in the CNS, where most axons are entirely naked and the remaining ones are surrounded by a loosely woven, thin myelin sheath.</p> <p>In this thesis we studied alterations in manganese, iron and zinc transition metal levels in 3 and 16-week-old <em>les</em> rats and their age-matched control counterparts. Using neutron activation analysis (NAA), manganese measurements were made in the brain, spinal cord and visceral organs using an existing protocol, while a new assay was developed for iron and zinc measurements that were made in the spinal cord tissues. The higher trend in manganese concentration observed within the 3 and 16 week old <em>les</em> rats in comparison to the controls, where there was a significant increase (ples cerebellum, supports evidence suggesting that manganese levels are associated with astrogliosis. Whereas for iron and zinc, which were measured in the spinal cord tissues, there was also an overall increase in the levels of these metals in the <em>les</em> mutant strain when compared to the controls; however, only significant increases in zinc concentration within the 16 week old <em>les </em>spinal cords were observed.</p> <p>The characterization of the <em>les</em> rodent model mutation and its biochemical abnormality will advance our understanding of not only the process of myelination, but also diseases related to aberrant myelination or the maintenance of myelin sheaths.
Abstract. Transition metal concentrations in the central nervous system (CNS) are altered in neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s and multiple sclerosis. A common symptom of these diseases is demyelination, which is the degradation of the myelin sheath that encapsulates the neurons in vertebrates. Transition metal concentrations were measured in Long Evans Shaker (LES) rodent model and compared to healthy age-matched controls to investigate the relationship between transition metals and myelination. Micro probe Synchrotron Radiation X-ray Fluorescence (μSRXRF) was used to measure concentrations of manganese (Mn), iron (Fe), copper (Cu), and zinc (Zn) in regions of grey matter and white matter in Shaker rodents and their age-matched Long Evans (LE) controls in the cerebellum and spinal cord. In the cerebellum, the concentrations of all elements were significantly increased in the white matter of the Shaker model, and decreased in the gray matter of the Shaker model in comparison to their age and region matched controls. In the spinal cord samples, concentrations of all metals were higher in white matter and grey matter of Shaker rat spinal cord compared to those in the control rat spinal cord. This study demonstrated that the sensitivity of μSRXRF is sufficient to discriminate between the elemental distributions of gray and white matter of the brain sections and spinal cords in the two groups. The observed significant increase of Mn, Fe, Zn and Cu in the white matter of the Shaker animals in the cerebellum and spinal cord compared to controls could be the result of astrocytic glial cells replacing the myelin in the CNS. Unlike other imaging techniques, the fine resolution of μSRXRF enables specific regions of gray matter structures namely, the molecular layer and the granule layer to be identified in the rat CNS, and their transition metal concentrations to be quantified. This work will further establish μSRXRF as a powerful analytic technique for compositional studies in brain sections from models of brain disease.
Abstract
The new prion diseases that have emerged in the last 15 years are bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) and variant Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease (variant CJD). Although initially confined to the UK, these diseases have recently emerged in other European countries. The accepted cause of the human disease is that BSE spread from cattle to humans by the consumption of infected beef. However, the evidence that supports this is very thin. This article describes this evidence and lists a series of hypotheses concerning the cause of both BSE and variant CJD. The final hypothesis is based on recent evidence linking prion diseases to environmental factors including manganese. High environmental availability of manganese is associated with the prevalence of those prion diseases not linked to BSE. Therefore it is quite possible that BSE and variant CJD have emerged as a result of manganese-rich industrial pollution that has only occurred in the last century.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S030698770191388X