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@jiri

Ok I'm glad then because I've been doing pullups for quite a while. One thing that feels good to me is to get really heavy kettlebells and just walk for a bit around holding them. I also like lifting and throwing rocks, it's something you can do when you're in nature. I don't do anything with weights though normally.

I never bike on the road, I once got almost dragged under a car because the lady was looking at her phone or something while she was driving forward, that and looking at the statistics sealed the deal for me to avoid motorbikes and bikes on the road. Off road and on cycle ways bikes are great though. I'm not sure about biking up a mountain though LOL

@orion

Ah fair enough. Yeah there must be some decent fish markets in your city.

@matrixik

Yeah I've heard people talk about doing calisthenics at different speeds and mixing it up.

Quote from Jiří on July 16, 2020, 12:36 pm

@matrixik "like 10 seconds up and 10 seconds down"

Sorry, but this is nonsense.

I would not call it nonsense. In general, your muscles and CNS respond to external stress/stimuli, whatever that may be, so this method could work. I would not necessarily consider it optimal for all fitness goals, but I don't think anyone in this thread has made that claim so far. I personally believe it is useful to mix up your style of training to vary the external stimulus, so if you incorporate very slow reps into a larger, more well-rounded form of training, it can be beneficial. 

Not sure if you will find these as interesting as I did, but this interview with Pavel Tsatsouline on the Joe Rogan podcast and this interview with Tim Ferriss got me thinking. I got into kettlebells back in 2009 or so, but never looked into Pavel Tsatsouline's exercise "philosophy". I wanted to incorporate his ideas on training since I have a tendency to over train due to my love of exercise and natural "competitive" attitude. I would consider what Pavel outlines in the interviews as an effective "minimalist" approach that can be modified to fit your goals. 

Just thought I'd share those on the thread in case anyone finds exercise interesting in general. There are transcripts available in the links.

@mmb3664 I said it is nonsense for muscle and/or strength gains. I know something about that so I am confident saying that. If he doesn't do that for muscles or strength and does it for other reasons like people do Yoga, tai chi etc.. It is ok. Better than doing nothing.. I know Pavol. I never trained with kattlebells. But I am sure it is great for functional training. Only my joints especially shoulders are destroyed from 10 years of bodybuidling and heavy lifting. So I can't train most of the things that people do with kattlebells. I would like to do also muscle ups and other fun exercises, but my joints say no heh.. Btw I understand his philosophy to not over train. But you need to train how you like it and enjoy it. That is the only way you will keep doing it and most people that really like to train like to train hard and often. Really pushing their body. So over training is the name of the game hehe.. Also I don't know single pro athlete like strongman, bodybuilder, MMA fighter or whatever who doesn't train to the max. This not over training philosophy is great for people who are doing sports in free time and need to keep energy for work, family etc.. Pro athletes who want 100% results always train crazy hard and the rest of the time they are like walking death. Just resting, eating, sleeping, doing active recovery like massages, sauna etc.. Normal people don't have that luxury so for them it is a good idea to not push crazy hard. But to be honest that is the only way for most people who really like to exercise, push their body... You need to train how you enjoy it. So it doesn't matter if you are overtraining or don't have optimal results if you really enjoy what you do.. If someone tells me always train at 80% of your capability. I would laugh at him..

Quote from Jiří on July 16, 2020, 12:36 pm

@matrixik "like 10 seconds up and 10 seconds down"

Sorry, but this is nonsense. Yes slow and controlled reps are good. For example we have a good bodybuilder Lukas Osladil. He is doing slower reps. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QWioiUZ_Vk   but for sure it is not 10 second up and 10 seconds down LOL. It is more like lift the weight and then go slow.. Simply important thing is to control negative motion, Not just letting the weight go on its own.. That is all. You don't need to do crazy crazy slow reps. You can't lift weights 10 sec up lol. You would lift nothing and you would just injure yourself.. I don't know why people always need to create something more special. When as you can see "normal" training style where you just control negative works really good? Don't mix yoga with lifting pls... 🙂 What is doing that guy on your video has nothing to do with strength and hypertrophy training. It is more like for core stability etc.. You can train that for that reason, but doing every exercises like sloth will give you zero strength or muscle gains.. 

You jump too fast to conclusion without research (don't be offended by that, it took me a long time before I stopped doing the same, and now I was reading 2-3 months about low vitA before trying it or over one month reading before starting supplementing with high amount of thiamine - most Lonsdale posts and his answers to people questions. I'm mostly looking for what could go wrong and what should be monitored.).

 
Super slow started as research training for older women with osteoporosis link1  link2. Because it's safe for joints and minimizes contusions.
HIT is not for people that want 100% of their genetically possible results (well, there was Mike Mentzer). It's for normal folks that want 80% results with less than 20% time investment (because you train like that once every 5-10 days - depending on how fast you regenerate, you should have progress on every training). "Big five" proposed in "Body by Science" takes like 15 minutes.
It's also probably one of the least metabolically lowering strength training. Even Matt Stone, who is all for high metabolism (I heard about low vitA from him) thinks that: https://180degreehealth.com/body-by-science/
 
Yes, it could be dangerous when training with free weights because you train to "momentary muscular failure". That's why it is advised to train with machines or only body weight (or with free weights that you could safely drop).
 

@matrixik  bro you need to say first what is the point of this style of training FOR YOU. If you have some health issues it is better than doing nothing, but it has nothing to do with optimal training for strength and/or muscles.. "You jump too fast to conclusion without research" that is true in many things with me, but not with resistant training. My research is more than 10 years literally living for building muscles. I was doing and trying everything. For osteoporosis is good ANY kind of increasing load on your bones and yes you are right. For old people who need to do everything safely it is great. But for young and healthy guy?? Btw Muntzer was doing exactly what I was talking about here. High intensity low volume training and the main thing was controlling negatives. Same as was training Dorian Yates for example. But it has nothing to do with some crazy slow 10 sec up and 10 sec down reps.

"It's for normal folks that want 80% results with less than 20% time investment (because you train like that once every 5-10 days - depending on how fast you regenerate, you should have progress on every training). "Big five" proposed in "Body by Science" takes like 15 minutes."

Bro.. this is nice scifi. 15 minutes workout every 5-10 days? Show me those people how they look like working out 15 minutes every 5-10 days.. I mean really? People who are lazy and workout 15 minutes every 5-10 days will look nothing but good or have good strength. Pls less reading studies and more training and watching people around you what they are doing and how they look.. 

Quote from Jiří on July 17, 2020, 12:41 pm

@matrixik  bro you need to say first what is the point of this style of training FOR YOU. If you have some health issues it is better than doing nothing, but it has nothing to do with optimal training for strength and/or muscles.. "You jump too fast to conclusion without research" that is true in many things with me, but not with resistant training. My research is more than 10 years literally living for building muscles. I was doing and trying everything. For osteoporosis is good ANY kind of increasing load on your bones and yes you are right. For old people who need to do everything safely it is great. But for young and healthy guy?? Btw Muntzer was doing exactly what I was talking about here. High intensity low volume training and the main thing was controlling negatives. Same as was training Dorian Yates for example. But it has nothing to do with some crazy slow 10 sec up and 10 sec down reps.

"It's for normal folks that want 80% results with less than 20% time investment (because you train like that once every 5-10 days - depending on how fast you regenerate, you should have progress on every training). "Big five" proposed in "Body by Science" takes like 15 minutes."

Bro.. this is nice scifi. 15 minutes workout every 5-10 days? Show me those people how they look like working out 15 minutes every 5-10 days.. I mean really? People who are lazy and workout 15 minutes every 5-10 days will look nothing but good or have good strength. Pls less reading studies and more training and watching people around you what they are doing and how they look.. 

 

Oh, so we just have really different views on training/diet. From what I gather you want to be strong/fast/full of energy now, I don't care about that*. 

I try to look at everything "how it will impact my health in 30 years?". If you want to consistently train strength into your eighties (like Clarence Bass https://www.cbass.com/ ) you can't break your joints in your thirties. I don't care about being the "strongest version of myself", I care about minimizing long term minuses of stuff I do. If this also somewhat minimizes short and long term pluses it's okay for me. That's why I look more at physiotherapy stuff. If something is safe for older people joints then it will be safe for my joints, just need to do it in a challenging way for me. I saw my grandma suffering for years because of problems with them, I'll do anything to not have the same suffering when old.
That is also why I spent a long time searching for a good Pilates coach. I was asking the wrong question at the beginning "where can I find the best coach?". When I started asking "where can I find a coach working with people with spine problems?" I found one quite fast. She graduated normal medical college as physiotherapist but preferred to specialize in medical Pilates instead of standard physiotherapy.
Best strength coach for me would be physiotherapist with years of experience that later turned to strength training and is in his fifties (so he already learned what not to do 😀 ).
 
Also my last two links would give way more and proper information about HIT than my few, heavily simplified, sentences. In the last one you have exactly this "lazy" person you are asking for.
 
* OK, full of energy is nice.

@matrixik well if you will do just this slow motion training. The body will adapt to this extreme and you most likely injure yourself doing something else. That's why it is a good idea to make the body do all kinds of things. Simply the body is very complex and once you start doing only one thing that pushes to body into one direction. Imbalances will show up.. Do what you want it is ok, but if you really think doing nothing but this is optimal to stay healthy and active in older age you are wrong. The less you do the less your body will be capable of doing. Anyway like I said there is nothing bad with normal weight training or body weight training. It is all about good technique and listening your body. Once you can do that. There is no reason why 70yo boy can't train with weights and or/calisthenics. Also training more often and with less intensity is very important for staying healthy, mobile, capable of doing things.. You need to keep moving your body. Once you stop it is over. That's why it is more important to have active life style. Walking riding bike instead of using cars all the time. Be physically active during the day. Not sitting most of the day on your ass. That is important. Not if you do some exercises 15 minutes ever 5-10 days and the rest of the time you watch TV... 

Btw sorry for spam in this personal vlog. Can someone make new thread "exercise" or something and move last 2 pages or so into that thread?

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8 month update:

I have tried getting more calcium in my diet by having occasional eggshell calcium. Once every few weeks I'll take .25-.5 a teaspoon. I've also started drinking almond milks and having nondairy yogurts (with no added vitamin a) that are fortified with tricalcium phosphate.

I've realized my period is irregular. It generally would fall every 38 days, which is longer than usual. Since starting the detox it stayed at this number... But I think at my last period it was 42 days... and for this cycle, I had spotting around day 20, and now it's day 39 and still have not had it. So from reading puddleducks' log, I've decided to trial inositol. The brand I'm taking is Wholesome story. Another note: the only time I had my period fall every 28 -29 days was when I was eating a raw vegan diet of around 1500 calories or less. Also, I think spotting when it's not your period is a sign of low progesterone....? I'm not sure if I have PCOS - I don't have hirsutism and have been at a healthy weight pretty much all my life. My periods have never been prolonged.

Also, my leg hair has decreased... I really don't have much leg hair except for some hair that grows mid calf. Other than that my knees and lower shins don't grow any thick hairs. 

Around month 3 of the detox I weighed in at about 140 pounds, which is still in the healthy weight category for my height. At my lowest weight I was around 120, which is still in the healthy range for me. I do think since the detox started I've maybe gained 10-20 pounds. But I think this is because I'm letting myself eat to satiation instead of limiting my  intakes like I used to. One day I tracked how much I was eating.. I think it was around month 6 of the detox. And I had around 3500 calories. I think my appetite has died down from this but not sure, and perhaps only on some days... I think I am still at a healthy weight category, or maybe just slightly into the overweight category, but I'm not sure, and I really don't want to weigh myself right now. 

Nosebleeds have eased down. For my last menstrual cycle, I only had one, and it was during PMS. So far I have not had another nosebleed for this cycle. 

Allergies have eased down, but are still there occasionally.

I do think I have found that getting sunlight from the sun helps me sleep. When it has been sunny here I've been getting 20-30 minutes of sun around 12pm. The week I did that my sleep schedule was very regulated. Fell asleep around 11, was up around 9 or so. But now it's not so sunny where I live anymore. And I very quickly fell back into an unhealthy sleep cycle. So I've tried getting some light from this Bulbrite bulb I heard about from dannyroddy, that I bought when I was following RP advice. I don't think it's working as well, or at all. 

I also think biotin contributes to improving sleep. I've been splitting up the pill capsules so I don't take too much at once though, because I think then it might backfire, based on what I've heard others say and my own experience. 

Fatigue came in really bad for me recently. I have had days where I slept the whole night, from 11pm -9am, and then ended up sleeping pretty much the rest of the day, taking 3 naps in one day... and then not being able to fall asleep until like 5 am. Again, these fall on PMS days, the days before I expect my period to come in. For the most part, my sleep schedule is still really messed up. 

Even on days that aren't PMS days, I still feel like I'm not able to do a lot. I tire easily when it comes to doing mental work. 

Muscle knots on back are still there. 

I do want to say that my muscles are responding better to training though - I think I am improving at a faster rate than I have in the past.

Jaw muscles have relaxed a few times. I've taken to manually applying pressure to my jaw muscles with my knuckles. I'm occasionally able to get them to release based on the pressure. So I believe I have trigger points, or knots in my jaw. 

I think my accessory nail on my right pinky toe is close to being gone. The one on my left pinky toe is still perceptible however. 

Activated charcoal really helps firm up my bowel movements. 

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Hi Leap,

I regulated my periods long ago by doing charting and nightlighting and taking a daily kelp pill.  So, you chart your cycle, starting on day 1 of the period.  The idea is that the full moon is meant to trigger your ovulation.  Some people do this by aligning with the full moon itself (sleeping with the shades open), or by simulating a little extra light in your sleeping room when you want to trigger the ov.  (and utter darkness the rest of the month).

The kelp gives you the needed iodine which can be important for fertility.  The charting helps you so that over time you can see the progress.    I only had to night light for a while (under 6 months) and I took the kelp pill for about a year.  Then my periods were straightened out and I was regular for about a decade until meno. 

I used the charting methods at https://www.tcoyf.com/, I read about the kelp pill from the catholic family planners, and I forget where I got the idea for the nightlighting.  Sounds crazy but it worked, we are affected by light more than we know.

For the jaw tightness, my current exercise is to do make these faces:  smile/kiss/smile/kiss.  I find that is isn't the down direction that needs work, it is the horizontal.  HTH

I've also realized that I was experiencing some hair loss on the body.  My guess is this is low hormones.  Just a guess though.

@are Thank you, it really does feel like a battle sometimes! 

@lil-chick Thank you, I've never heard of using kelp for menstruation. I have been consuming iodized salt but that might not be enough iodine. I'll look into it. Thanks for the facial exercise idea - I think any exercise to get my facial muscles moving can be beneficial. As for the hairloss - it's nice for me, but I wonder if it indicates something positive or negative! I think I heard from Ray Peat that progesterone will regulate hair growth of eyebrows/face.. I wonder if that applies to other areas of body. 

Small update: I've been trying inositol for the past few days... I think it gave me some mental irritation/rage.... Or that could have been from getting my period. This may have subsided. And also my dreams have been more interesting with inositol. My dreams were starting to get dull. 

 

 

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