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Liver Flushes
@john and do you feel any benefits? I feel more energy like two days later when all garbage is out and electrolytes are in balance.. I fucked up my liver from all sides.. Too much vit A, copper, iron, stupid no fiber/low fodmap.. Will see how quickly I can fix it with flushes and good intake of soluble fiber..
I do feel like it helped my constipation. I had the best bowel movements of my life for 2 and half straight months till I ate two whole peanuts granola bars after the 9 flush on an empty stomach. Took me a month to clear it out. Every time I reintroduce problem foods like nuts n seeds, cheese, pizza,, beef, and recently a chicken bake from costco they give gut and constipation issues.
I wanna say I was making progress with my health during these liver flushes but I screwed up with a diesel heater I installed in my van, exhaust was somehow getting inside, and probably screwed up my mental process as well, two weeks before I realized it there was an issue, another two weeks of troubleshooting and thinking I had fixed it but a light amount was still present that I didn't register, and until my lungs were so inflamed that I thought I was at a point of no return, I stopped using it completely. That was over two months ago and I still haven't recovered to pre- heater status, which wasn't all that good. I've been dealing with chemical sensitivity for the same amount of time as my constipation and inflammation issues about 4-6 years now. Made good progress with the chemical sensitivity until this incident. My Electromagnetic sensitivity is the bigger animal than the chemical, but not by much, both has flipped my life upside down, living in a metal van, and not being able to go out or even find a safe place to park at this point. Only one safe place to park and sleep but right at a busy street where more often now exhaust is literally suffocating me. I seriously have not been able to find a safe place to park clear of both.
Yes, had not choice, searched for an apt for 6 months in 2018-19 and realized all apts emf and wireless levels are too high for me. Even the lowest levels in a seemingly empty park is too high for me now as much as it has progressed. Most parks nowadays have wireless networks which are neglible for people who don't react to cellphones and high emf living and working areas but not for people who have become extremely sensitive for a possible few different reasons. The only way to out back into the matrix we call life is to reverse my sensitivity.
The issue with finding places further out is not knowing the conditions and being exposed there and back. There are places, like Snowflake AZ that is suppose to be low EMF but it's too risky to travel and find out, I'd have to know it is safe beforehand as sensitive as I am now. Aslo I need to get a fridge set up in my van where the emf from it won't effect me, so I can be away from buying food for longer and likely try out Elon's Starlink internet mounted on top of my van. Hopefully my van will easily block the much higher frequencies it uses without effecting me. As higher frequencies can be block easier by more things than lower. I thought it might of been a death sentence if he covered the sky with his signals but upon research it might be an improvement if everyone used starlink for phones calls and phone internet at least as that would theoretically cause all the cell towers popping up to lose their purpose and be de commissioned. Although those 5g cylinders on top of lampost popping up everywhere now, i don't see them coming down any time soon even if everyone were using Starlink.
I’m leaning towards Tim on this one.
Doesn’t make sense to me how people can flush out a large amount of stones on 10+ occasions.
And why does it only provide temporary relief? You would think that after the 20th flush you’d be fixed for good.
Quote from Jiří on March 7, 2023, 1:06 pm@john you live in a van? Intersting.. You can't park somewhere more in nature?
And what I am going through with this EMF/RF, is THE biggest missing link to understanding what is going on with our health, bar none. It's all around us and increasing multi-folds, but out of sight and therefore out of mind for 99.9% of the population.
Quote from Tommy on March 7, 2023, 1:28 pmI’m leaning towards Tim on this one.
Doesn’t make sense to me how people can flush out a large amount of stones on 10+ occasions.
And why does it only provide temporary relief? You would think that after the 20th flush you’d be fixed for good.
It's possible they just develop them faster, as to why it they had so many in the first place, dysfunctional liver, wrong diet...I think they both are right. I mean if you think about it, if the oil causes me to release so much bile that I can feel it bubbling and squirting out, what ever stones that could pass through would pass through. And Tim-2 could be right also that some of the olive oil would turn to some stones with the reliece of the bile and stuff however he explained it.
@john if you have so crazy EMF sensitivity it looks like you have copper toxicity.. It would be great if you could test serum copper and serum ceruloplasmin. I have high free copper as well.. Once bile flow is not working the body can't eliminate any excess of copper from the body.. Chemical sensitivity is also mainly liver function and bile flow issue. But you can have molybdenum deficiency as well. It's hard to get from diet + copper will deplete molybdenum.. You can try taking some zinc, vit C and molybdenum. Copper antagonists and will see how you feel..
Quote from Jiří on March 7, 2023, 12:15 pm@tim-2 "So that explains a cup of stones including large stones every week for years that many obsessive flushers have done? "
show me who is doing flushes every week for years and have stones in every flush? That sounds ridiculous.
I'm not going to spend hours reading through posts on CureZone.
This is what I found searching:
https://www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=176417#i
Hi Telman,
I agree with you. My last L.F No 36 few days ago produced many similar stones as per your flush. This was actually the first flush with this colour of the stones.
All previous flushes produced almost green stones and sometimes green or yellow
sludge. I also concluded that after all those flushes my G.B. started to contract
and expell stones from gallbladder. Shortly I also have number of health improvements like early signs of arthrities disappearing and my stiff neck is able
to turn freely without cracky noises.
I also believe that we need to continue with flushes and do not stop until is
all clear.
Keep flushing,
Chris,
https://www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=2234906#i
Transformationalhealth: Your reply is inspiring, and has motivated me to increase the frequency of my flushes.
I have carried out over 65 flushes, and most of them, I waited at least two weeks in between, but I found that in so many cases, stones that had moved forward during the flush had congested my ducts at the front of the liver during the two week waiting period and caused immense suffering and atrhophiation.
Recently, I decided that I was just going to listen to my body and flush as frequently as it feels prepared to. I flushed three times this month already, and I feel better than I ever have. I wait for the mild pain to go away (similar to after working out) that I experience in the liver, following each flush, caused by the surgery-like changes that happen to the structure of the liver after removing this built up, and wait for the toxicity to circulate out of the system, and then flush again. After about seven to ten days, I my body feels one hundred percent prepared to flush again,
In my opinion, from years of first hand experience, the effects on the body caused by the congestion sitting at the front of the liver for two weeks or more is more damaging than flushing more frequently and introducing the toxins that are released from behind the stones to the body more often.
Although you are introducing more toxins that were trapped from behind the stones, you are also opening up the channel of elimination more often, allowing more toxicity to exit, and relieves the body of immense stress and struggle.
I feel that every ten days is working the best for me 😉
https://www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=162148#i
am under impression that Liver Flush is somehow like tooth brushing. If you don’t do it your liver will become congested with time but at the same time if you did it several times it doesn’t mean you don’t have to do it again. Of course Liver Flush is much more important than tooth brushing but the similarities are obvious for me. I’ve done 50 or more of them and I don’t see an end for it but I definitely see improvements while I’m doing it. It is an important part of natural life style but is not the only one.
You don’t see liver stones on CT SCAN because they are from cholesterol and they say you don’t see cholesterol on that kind of scan. In all my 50 flushes I got gallbladder stones only ones, but they were the biggest, two one-inch-and-something white-gray stones
https://www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=162247#i
Im 22 years old, so i really shouldn't have that many stones. Ive passed about 1800 stones in my 22 flushes so i may not even have that much. Diet has alot to do with it as well, but ive taken that out of the equation by flushing every 3 days for the last three weeks, so don't give the little buggers time to form.
Unlikely to get much response from a poll im afraid as the people who have flushed clean no longer come here, and everyone else is still doing it so wouldn't know.
What really worried me was the 25 year old guy, who flushed every 3 weeks, and was still getting stones after 50 flushes. I wish i hadn't have read that!
He didn't really have any symptoms,however, and if you don't then i suppose it doesn't really matter how many flushes it takes, its just that my "allergies" are a pain so i want get the whole thing sorted.
https://www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=2219572#i
Never knew that people did 3 flushes a week. I will search for it, it sounds crazy and unhealthy to me. I have done 100 flushes over several years, but not closer than 2 weeks, in the end several times a year for maintenance.
I was not offended by your remark actually I thought it
was cute and laughed. It is sad it was a serious question and people think they can do 3 Liver Flushes a week.
Sounds like this person actually had gallstones and one got stuck:
https://www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=712263
Last time I did a liver flush, I got VERY ILL and ended up in HORRIFIC pain one evening as a gull stone got stuck and was apparently traveling through. It was so bad I could not BREATH and was litteraly panting and gasping for breath. I was FORCED into a funky position all bend over to the side, and lost feeling in my left hand to the point where my fingers started to bend in a really funky position and fell asleep...tingled really bad....almost like I had MS. I LOST ALL function of my hands for about 2 hours. Finally my husband put me in the car and started to rush me to the hospital...by the time we got there I had done some belching and bouncing and I think that the bumps in the road from the trip to the hospital helped move things. I felt better, the feeling came back into my hands and we ended up going home. And I was in pain for several weeks after that. but for that one moment, I thought I was literally dying.
SOOOOOOOOOOO that all being said.....wouldn't it be MUCH better for someone like me to start out SLOWLY with the oil....like maybe incorporate a teaspoon per day then up it as I get use to it. AND the ONLY way I canactually drink the stuff (cuz olive oil is sooooooo nasty tasting) is to add a touch of itallian dressing for some flavor. Otherwise it is just gaggable. Anyone who tells you it tastes good is out of their pea picking mind! LOL
Anyway....how about if people just GO SLOW with their "detoxing" so they don't have so much problems. I was sick for almost 3 months because of all the stuff people were telling me to do all at once...and infact almost died once after having my FIRST seizure ever because my body flora and chemistry was so off.
FOLKS PLEASE BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT YOU DO....I want to know if anyone has a good strong argument as to why someone shouldn't start out extrememly slow and with caution.
Thanks all,
Mom
"It's possible they just develop them faster, as to why it they had so many in the first place, dysfunctional liver, wrong diet...I think they both are right. I mean if you think about it, if the oil causes me to release so much bile that I can feel it bubbling and squirting out, what ever stones that could pass through would pass through. And Tim-2 could be right also that some of the olive oil would turn to some stones with the reliece of the bile and stuff however he explained it."
No. Jiri's position is that fake stones are nonsense. This debate is not about if the occasional small gallstone comes out with the fake stones.
Gallstones larger than 20mm wide do not form in a matter of weeks and then effortlessly travel down the bile duct. If large stones are definitely not from the gallbladder it makes no sense to conclude any of them are.