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Liver Flushes
@tim-2@jiri@tim-2@jiri, Whether stones are formed in the gut or already present in the liver is irrelevant. The bottom line is that the liver flush helps dump toxic bile out of the body. I personally believe that the truth is in between, ie when bile is congested it becomes pasty like, flushing helps get rid of the old "hardened" bile and promote production of fresh healthy thinner bile. If a majority of flushers are getting better then it is worth promoting this technique regardless of the mechanics of stone formation.
@tim-2@tim-2 how many flushes have you done so far? Are you still flushing? What symptoms have you improved since flushing?
It doesn't sound like you've read this whole message thread between Jiri and I to see the nature of this debate. I've also explained my history of researching and doing liver flushes in detail in an earlier post on page 7. In that post I clearly explain my understanding of the flush and cover information relevant to the points you are making.
"The bottom line is that the liver flush helps dump toxic bile out of the body."
Nobody in this conversational thread is against the Flush and nobody in this thread would dispute that.
"Whether stones are formed in the gut or already present in the liver is irrelevant."
Most people would disagree with that, I strongly disagree. It makes little sense to not want to understand something so fundamental and not want to know if what is coming out are actual gallstones or not. With actual gallstones there is risk involved. It can cause confusion if people believe they are full of gallstones when they aren't.
I personally believe that the truth is in between, ie when bile is congested it becomes pasty like, flushing helps get rid of the old "hardened" bile and promote production of fresh healthy thinner bile."
This debate between Jiri and I is not about if there's a benefit to the Liver Flush or if some sludgy bile comes out, it's about whether or not fake stones can form, that's it, there's no in between truth to this debate.
"If a majority of flushers are getting better then it is worth promoting this technique regardless of the mechanics of stone formation."
People do appear to get benefits from it but there are also downsides, I talk about this more in the post I made on page 7.
"yes I agree 100%. people who are doing flushes are doing better not worse. That's why I really don't understand this very intense hate from tim towards flushes.."
Why do you keep lying about that? I've never said I'm opposed to the Liver Flush. I've gone away and found evidence many people do dozens of Liver Flushes but still get stones. I'm just getting silence from you when I present evidence that shows how your belief that these stones are real is wrong. Instead just more personal attacks and lies. Anyone can read this thread and see that for themselves.
I'm asking again and again for answers to basic questions:
- How do stones with diameters larger than 20mm fit down the bile duct?
- How do some people flush large quantities of stones week after week for years? Your only answer to this is that the liver has 2km of bile ducts. You obviously do not understand basic anatomy and maths if you think that all the stones people flush have come from the liver and gallbladder.
- Why have stones been found with lemon seeds inside them?
@tim-2 I read page 7 a second just to make sure I have not missed any information, but it didn't answer any of my questions. Here's your quote:
" With regard to the Liver Flush. I am deeply familiar with this protocol. In the 2000s I spent hundreds of hours researching it and understanding the physiology and anatomy around how it works. I read Andreas Moritz's book. I read what Hulda Clark wrote about it. I spent countless hours on CureZone reading about it. I did many Liver Flushes and I believe it improved my health. Many people I know have also done it and I've spoken with them about it."
You read Moritz and Hulda's books, you spent hundreds of hours researching and countless hours on the CureZone, you did many liver flushes and it improved your health. Fair enough.
However it is important for us to understand where you stand in your flushing journey by revealing how many flushes you've accomplished so far, if you are still flushing to this day and what specific symptoms you managed to improve during this process.
Also can you share your Youtube channel with us by any chance? Thanks.
Quote from Jean on March 8, 2023, 9:01 am@tim-2 I read page 7 a second just to make sure I have not missed any information, but it didn't answer any of my questions. Here's your quote:
" With regard to the Liver Flush. I am deeply familiar with this protocol. In the 2000s I spent hundreds of hours researching it and understanding the physiology and anatomy around how it works. I read Andreas Moritz's book. I read what Hulda Clark wrote about it. I spent countless hours on CureZone reading about it. I did many Liver Flushes and I believe it improved my health. Many people I know have also done it and I've spoken with them about it."
You read Moritz and Hulda's books, you spent hundreds of hours researching and countless hours on the CureZone, you did many liver flushes and it improved your health. Fair enough.
However it is important for us to understand where you stand in your flushing journey by revealing how many flushes you've accomplished so far, if you are still flushing to this day and what specific symptoms you managed to improve during this process.
Also can you share your Youtube channel with us by any chance? Thanks.
@jean His youtube channel is Holistic Scientific - YouTube
"However it is important for us to understand where you stand in your flushing journey by revealing how many flushes you've accomplished so far, if you are still flushing to this day and what specific symptoms you managed to improve during this process."
Why? Are you implying that's somehow relevant to my debate with Jiri?
@tim-2@tim-2, as I said previously I think this debate is sterile. I'm more interested in your experience with flushing since you presented yourself as a flushing expert. Unfortunately you don't wanna say how many flushes you've done and what symptoms you managed to clear with the flush for some reason.