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tim on March 8, 2023, 8:03 pm
@jean
Nobody is asking you to engage in the debate. You've had it explained to you what it's about. If you don't care about me defending my position after the continued mockery and personal attacks from Jiri about this issue that's not my problem. What I presented was my defense to Jiri claiming I'd never done a flush and I hadn't researched it. I'm here defending my position on the fake stones and I have no desire to continue talking about the Liver Flush outside of this debate. It's odd that you don't understand that and that you care so much about my flushing history.
@jean
Nobody is asking you to engage in the debate. You've had it explained to you what it's about. If you don't care about me defending my position after the continued mockery and personal attacks from Jiri about this issue that's not my problem. What I presented was my defense to Jiri claiming I'd never done a flush and I hadn't researched it. I'm here defending my position on the fake stones and I have no desire to continue talking about the Liver Flush outside of this debate. It's odd that you don't understand that and that you care so much about my flushing history.
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John on March 8, 2023, 8:24 pm
I think we need an experiment video, mixing lemon juice and olive oil and maybe some epsom salt with bile, and digestive enzymes , and see what turns up.
@tim-2 Is it possible that the large stones are possibly smaller stones or sludge released from the liver that combines and solidified as it passes through the gut?
I think we need an experiment video, mixing lemon juice and olive oil and maybe some epsom salt with bile, and digestive enzymes , and see what turns up.
@tim-2 Is it possible that the large stones are possibly smaller stones or sludge released from the liver that combines and solidified as it passes through the gut?
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Jiří on March 7, 2023, 2:12 pm
@john if you have so crazy EMF sensitivity it looks like you have copper toxicity.. It would be great if you could test serum copper and serum ceruloplasmin. I have high free copper as well.. Once bile flow is not working the body can't eliminate any excess of copper from the body.. Chemical sensitivity is also mainly liver function and bile flow issue. But you can have molybdenum deficiency as well. It's hard to get from diet + copper will deplete molybdenum.. You can try taking some zinc, vit C and molybdenum. Copper antagonists and will see how you feel..
Electrolytes and mineral imbalances may be a huge factor as well as heavy metals and gut dysbiosis(candida overgrowth). I took the magnesium protocol lab test for copper ceuroplasm and other things on it when my sensitivity was already bad about 3 years ago and the levels were normal. Ferritin was above the max of 400 at about 560. I did like 6 phlebotomies and brought it down to as low as 100 last I checked about a year ago. Sensitivity continued to increase. What I discovered for a fact last year was that all the sea salt I was taking in increased my sensitivity to the point I could not function doing anything. So salt/sodium is a major key factor in this condition. The saddest part all this is getting people to understand the implications of what I am going through and how it fits into everything we are experiencing with our health, even for those that do understand the condition. If I have become increasingly sensitive, I am not the only one! Everyone should be concerned cause most will be affected by it severely before they can forfeit their health to "old age" or "hereditary".
- bile flow and liver function I believe is also a factor as I have hepatitis B that has been dormant most of my life although recently has become detectable but I think thats because the new tests are more sensitive than the older ones. Exercise and saunas helped and last year there were times where I breathed exhaust and it didn't cause inflammation or feel like my lungs were on fire. I might have gone through some flushes at that point so that might have helped. It also has to do with exposure and how much burden my body can handle, so yeah my liver is likely weak and slow. Those two months of extreme exhaust exposure screwed my up big time and knocked be back many steps. I can only hope I'll recover after a years time at this rate.
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Jiří on March 7, 2023, 2:12 pm
@john if you have so crazy EMF sensitivity it looks like you have copper toxicity.. It would be great if you could test serum copper and serum ceruloplasmin. I have high free copper as well.. Once bile flow is not working the body can't eliminate any excess of copper from the body.. Chemical sensitivity is also mainly liver function and bile flow issue. But you can have molybdenum deficiency as well. It's hard to get from diet + copper will deplete molybdenum.. You can try taking some zinc, vit C and molybdenum. Copper antagonists and will see how you feel..
Electrolytes and mineral imbalances may be a huge factor as well as heavy metals and gut dysbiosis(candida overgrowth). I took the magnesium protocol lab test for copper ceuroplasm and other things on it when my sensitivity was already bad about 3 years ago and the levels were normal. Ferritin was above the max of 400 at about 560. I did like 6 phlebotomies and brought it down to as low as 100 last I checked about a year ago. Sensitivity continued to increase. What I discovered for a fact last year was that all the sea salt I was taking in increased my sensitivity to the point I could not function doing anything. So salt/sodium is a major key factor in this condition. The saddest part all this is getting people to understand the implications of what I am going through and how it fits into everything we are experiencing with our health, even for those that do understand the condition. If I have become increasingly sensitive, I am not the only one! Everyone should be concerned cause most will be affected by it severely before they can forfeit their health to "old age" or "hereditary".
- bile flow and liver function I believe is also a factor as I have hepatitis B that has been dormant most of my life although recently has become detectable but I think thats because the new tests are more sensitive than the older ones. Exercise and saunas helped and last year there were times where I breathed exhaust and it didn't cause inflammation or feel like my lungs were on fire. I might have gone through some flushes at that point so that might have helped. It also has to do with exposure and how much burden my body can handle, so yeah my liver is likely weak and slow. Those two months of extreme exhaust exposure screwed my up big time and knocked be back many steps. I can only hope I'll recover after a years time at this rate.
Look up enteroliths. Seems to me these liver flush stones might be produced from similar materials/mechanisms to some types of enteroliths, albeit very quickly, which is why the liver flush stones probably aren't hardened like true enteroliths. I recently crapped out what looks to be some type of enterolith without having done any liver flushes (see photo attached). It appears to be calcified and looks a like rock, but is fairly crumbly. Most of the info you find online says enteroliths are primarily formed in the small intestine, but it seems like they could be formed in the colon too (which seems more likely in my case). I can't decide if mine is due to calcium oxalate, or magnesium supplements combining with ammonia and phosphate, or something to do with bile salts. Doesn't look much like a bile stone to me.
Look up enteroliths. Seems to me these liver flush stones might be produced from similar materials/mechanisms to some types of enteroliths, albeit very quickly, which is why the liver flush stones probably aren't hardened like true enteroliths. I recently crapped out what looks to be some type of enterolith without having done any liver flushes (see photo attached). It appears to be calcified and looks a like rock, but is fairly crumbly. Most of the info you find online says enteroliths are primarily formed in the small intestine, but it seems like they could be formed in the colon too (which seems more likely in my case). I can't decide if mine is due to calcium oxalate, or magnesium supplements combining with ammonia and phosphate, or something to do with bile salts. Doesn't look much like a bile stone to me.
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Jean on March 8, 2023, 10:26 pm
@tim-2@tim-2 This space should not be used for mockery and personal attacks, I refuse to engage nor support such behavior, we are here to heal and share our experiences. It seems that you have some valuable experience with regards to flushing, unfortunately you decided not disclose any of that experience which could be benefitting a lot of people here who are suffering. That's your choice.
@tim-2@tim-2 This space should not be used for mockery and personal attacks, I refuse to engage nor support such behavior, we are here to heal and share our experiences. It seems that you have some valuable experience with regards to flushing, unfortunately you decided not disclose any of that experience which could be benefitting a lot of people here who are suffering. That's your choice.
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Jiří on March 9, 2023, 12:33 am
@wavygravygadzooks how they look inside? Most stones after liver flush are deep green inside, but when you look at their "shells" they can differ a lot from each other. That tells me that they are not formed at the same time with the same material. You can see on a lot of them how it was created by adding layers and layers of all kinds of garbage over time. It is crazy to think that the things like that can form within very short period of the time in the intestine when you have diarrhea and flush your intestines constantly.. You should have clean small and large intestine before you ingest the fat. So ideally everything what comes from the liver can be flushed out of the intestine basically instantly..
@wavygravygadzooks how they look inside? Most stones after liver flush are deep green inside, but when you look at their "shells" they can differ a lot from each other. That tells me that they are not formed at the same time with the same material. You can see on a lot of them how it was created by adding layers and layers of all kinds of garbage over time. It is crazy to think that the things like that can form within very short period of the time in the intestine when you have diarrhea and flush your intestines constantly.. You should have clean small and large intestine before you ingest the fat. So ideally everything what comes from the liver can be flushed out of the intestine basically instantly..
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Jiří on March 19, 2023, 12:57 am
Another flush yesterday. Today ZERO stones... @tim-2 where are all those olive oil stones? Anyway I think my problem is not clogged liver with old bile, but simply there is no bile lol..
Another flush yesterday. Today ZERO stones... @tim-2 where are all those olive oil stones? Anyway I think my problem is not clogged liver with old bile, but simply there is no bile lol..
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Donald on March 19, 2023, 1:49 am
What protocol do you follow? I read earlier you did it without epsom salts. Is there a reason for that? They are supposed to widen/relax the bile ducts, making it easier for larger stuff to get out. I'm going to be walking back and forth to the toilet tomorrow as well. Let's hope there will be a bountiful harvest of peas.
Our timing should be perfect according to Andreas Moritz. He talks about the new moon being the best time for a flush as well, since you apparently hold less water then. My colon-hydrotherapist talks about how her clients sometimes don't really flush any stones with a full moon, but when they do it on a new moon a lot of them come out.
Might be drivel of course. But if she says a lot of her clients notice it being true as well, I'll take her word for it.
What protocol do you follow? I read earlier you did it without epsom salts. Is there a reason for that? They are supposed to widen/relax the bile ducts, making it easier for larger stuff to get out. I'm going to be walking back and forth to the toilet tomorrow as well. Let's hope there will be a bountiful harvest of peas.
Our timing should be perfect according to Andreas Moritz. He talks about the new moon being the best time for a flush as well, since you apparently hold less water then. My colon-hydrotherapist talks about how her clients sometimes don't really flush any stones with a full moon, but when they do it on a new moon a lot of them come out.
Might be drivel of course. But if she says a lot of her clients notice it being true as well, I'll take her word for it.
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Jiří on March 19, 2023, 5:22 am
@donald last two flushes Moritz style with epsom salt.. I will do another when it's warmer outside. I am cold like crazy when I don't eat the day of the flush. I think the flush will be much more effective in the summer..
@donald last two flushes Moritz style with epsom salt.. I will do another when it's warmer outside. I am cold like crazy when I don't eat the day of the flush. I think the flush will be much more effective in the summer..
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Jean on March 19, 2023, 7:01 am
@jiri@jiri I did my 9th flush this weekend, almost no stones came out for the first time , only some melted gooey mud and yellow sandy paste with a strong strange smell. I followed Andreas Moritz procedure to the T.
@jiri@jiri I did my 9th flush this weekend, almost no stones came out for the first time , only some melted gooey mud and yellow sandy paste with a strong strange smell. I followed Andreas Moritz procedure to the T.
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