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Liver Flushes
Fruits in general are not causing me any issues, it's mainly fats, eggs, and dairy that are causing mucous formation in my throat and reflux. These foods keep backing up in my throat for hours.
I have never tried malic acid supplements, I usually use ACV or plain apples. Do you think malic acid supplement is better at softening stones? I heard that L-malic acid is preferable than synthetic malic acid.
Yes, I've been struggling with sleep problems for many years. Trouble falling asleep and remaining asleep throughout the night.
I don't have any swollen lymph nodes.
Still sounds like you have a systemic candida or bacteria infection. When it was bad for me, swallowing food was difficult and felt weird cause of either swelling or some kind of growth. At least you know what foods are causing you problems Although the reflux could be the issue, causing stomach acid to irritate and burn your throat and possible food residue and bacteria growth. From my research acid reflux could actually be due to it not being acidic enough in order to trigger the stomach open and empty into the small intestine. Malic acid with your meals might help. What protocol are you following if not the Andreas Moritz which calls for apple juice or malic acid? Join the FB group, they will guide you better through it. I just get the Nutricost brand, not sure how they extract the L-malic acid, from apples? And how they purify it. One I saw was mfg in China.
I follow the Andreas Moritz protocol and do my prep with apple cider vinegar since it is highly concentrated in malic acid. I will also add some chanca piedra and gold coin grass tinctures for my future flushes. Hope this will move the needle.
Quote from Jean on December 24, 2022, 6:54 amI follow the Andreas Moritz protocol and do my prep with apple cider vinegar since it is highly concentrated in malic acid. I will also add some chanca piedra and gold coin grass tinctures for my future flushes. Hope this will move the needle.
I don't recall the book saying anything about ACV for replacement of apple juice or malic acid supplement.
There is conflicting evidence on the amount of malic acid in ACV.
https://www.violiendamast.nl/malic-acid/
http://www.cider.org.uk/part3.htm
I don't do well with ACV, seems to flare up candida/bacteria growth. It may be effecting you negatively as well.
You are right, ACV is not mentioned in Andreas Moritz protocol. A veteran flusher posted an article on malic acid on the facebook group concluding that ACV has the highest concentration:
If you’re flushing once a month you’ll be consuming 13 POUNDS OF SUGAR a year just from the flush.
Quote from John on December 22, 2022, 12:44 pm
@tim-2
I've done eight flushes, the stones are different leading up to my 5th with released the motherload. If its bile, ollive oil and epsom salt causing these stones, the flushes should produce similar results but it does not. I have also now have the best bowel movements in my 46 years of chronic constipation at the most frequency ever. I attribute this to releasing the stones and restoring space for bile as well as flow. My chemical sensitivities has improved as well, a sign of better liver function.
I've released about a fist size volume of stones, it's incredible that all that came from my gallbladder/liver. I assume that I've gotten most of it out. Now if I were to produce more stones than can't seem to be possibly fit into my gallbladder and liver, I'd start to question a little more where they are coming from but that hasn't happened yet...and who knows how fast stones can build up again? For now I'm 99% convinced those stones came from my liver/gallbladder and not formed in my gut from the protocol itself. Your belief aligns with what mainstream TV doctors say, to me they do it to keep the propaganda going for job security, big pharma, etc...cause God forbid if people found out liver flushes helps resolve their health issues...
From memory I made a number of posts outlining why liver flush "stones" are not from the gallbladder or bile ducts.
Your evidence for the stones being from the gallbladder is that you don't experience consistent liver flush results and your health is better? That's your evidence to refute my posts?
Why are you throwing in a strawman about improved health? I believe I was one of the first here to introduce liver flushes as a potentially helpful way to accelerate vitamin A depletion. I've long discussed the detoxification benefits of bile excretion methods such as liver flushes and emetics. I'm also cautious about recommending methods that can have downsides or risks.
Quote from tim on January 7, 2023, 11:07 am
From memory I made a number of posts outlining why liver flush "stones" are not from the gallbladder or bile ducts.
Your evidence for the stones being from the gallbladder is that you don't experience consistent liver flush results and your health is better? That's your evidence to refute my posts?
That my constipation is better than it has been in 46 years of life, yes. If you know anything about bile and the importance of it for digestion, you'd understand. I don't think you're here to understand how you may be wrong, but rather to defend that you are right. You are sounding more and more like mainstream media and science. They would say the same things and use the same tactics and twisted logic to discredit. Grant's experience. Would you tell him the same as you told me? That just because he's been on an 8 year no A diet, and his health has gotten better, means nothing and putting his health and eyesight at risk?
BTW I haven't read your posts, so I wouldn't know what to refute nor was that my intention. All I know is that my 46 years of constipation that was very extreme the past 3 years suddenly after 8 flushes, is the BEST that it's EVER been. So without conducting any experiment of your own, you're telling me that's impossible and has nothing to do with my liver flushes clearing out my bile ducts and that it's more likely due to depletion of vitamin A.... OK. lol
Why are you throwing in a strawman about improved health? I believe I was one of the first here to introduce liver flushes as a potentially helpful way to accelerate vitamin A depletion.
So you don't think unclogging bile ducts and gallbladder of stones might have ANYTHING to do with better liver function and better handling of vitamin A? Like excretion through bile? Ok.
I've long discussed the detoxification benefits of bile excretion methods such as liver flushes and emetics. I'm also cautious about recommending methods that can have downsides or risks.
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I don't think I've made a post here in months. Why dredge up an old post of mine you disagree with, tag me, insinuate that I have some agenda and then get mad when I respond defending myself?
They would say the same things and use the same tactics and twisted logic to discredit.
Stop projecting, all you are doing is trying to discredit me rather than debate the topic at hand.
You are sounding more and more like mainstream media and science.
Sounds like you don't understand the difference between scientism and science. It's comical that you think me "sounding like science" is an insult while claiming to be an authority on something that requires an understanding of physiology and anatomy.
BTW I haven't read your posts, so I wouldn't know what to refute nor was that my intention.
So you haven't read the relevant posts I made and you're not interested in debate you just want to randomly tag me and make me accept how wrong I am since you have a different opinion?
So without conducting any experiment of your own, you're telling me that's impossible and has nothing to do with my liver flushes clearing out my bile ducts and that it's more likely due to depletion of vitamin A.... OK. lol
Dishonest misinterpretation. I wrote: "I've long discussed the detoxification benefits of bile excretion methods such as liver flushes and emetics." Do you realize that health benefits can occur solely from bile excretion, that benefits don't have to have anything to do with clearing gallstones? I guess you haven't researched the long history of use of emetics in folk medicine huh? What do you think the whole purpose is of including more beta glucan in the diet as I've advised for years?
" Do you realize that health benefits can occur solely from bile excretion, that benefits don't have to have anything to do with clearing gallstones? I guess you haven't researched the long history of use of emetics in folk medicine huh? What do you think the whole purpose is of including more beta glucan in the diet as I've advised for years?
Are you saying that intra-hepatic stones do not exist? Congested bile ducks in the liver are not to be blamed in people feeling sick, but rather Vitamin A overload is the real culprit? Does coffee enema achieve the same result as the liver flush in excreting old congested bile out of the system and promote new bile production?
They do exist but liver flush "stones" are formed in the gut. When gallstones exist it may be best to focus on improving liver health and bile chemistry rather than attempting a liver flush. Certain foods help to avoid gallstones too, malic acid containing fruit like apples are an example as you know.
I don't think coffee enemas will remove bile like a liver flush will.
SIBO interferes with bile so I think it may interfere with excretion of bile toxins. Adopting a diet that is close to optimal can drastically improve liver health and bile chemistry.
Something else that can block liver bile ducts is liver fluke. Never eat raw watercress.