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Mental health reactions from resistant starch?
When I suffered from severe mood swings, anxiety and depression (and the brain fog), 5htp + theanine really helped within 20-30 minutes. I always carried theanine with me in case i'd need it. It (the theanine) increases alpha brain waves and is relaxing. Tryptophan is the precursor of 5htp. Thorne's 50mg was plenty for me, maybe due to added b6. Swansons brand worked well too.
I dont need any of them amynore. I pray that you too will get well soon too.
Last night I repeated the steps that caused my earlier freak-out, except without pea protein this time:
- 5:20pm meal #1 (1 cup white rice, 20ml extra light olive oil, 1/8 tsp salt)
- 7:20pm meal #2. immediately notice headache and back hurting.
- 8:11pm drink 350 ml distilled water
- 8:27 meal #3. notice back hurts again.
- 9:45pm meal #4
- 10:32pm notice anxiety
- 11:00pm drink 250 ml distilled water
- 11:15pm notice feet are very cold (which continues for several hours), visual afterimages lingering
- 11:41pm meal #5
- 12:45am getting hot, palms sweating, cold, laughing/crying, stiff neck, very poor short term memory, vision has reduced contrast (darkness seems brighter)
- 1:00am throat starts itching then hurting, generally twitchiness, headache, head feels hot
- 1:15am increasing gut discomfort, tinnitus, "i want to die" thoughts, hard to concentrate on reading, impatient
- 1:45am burping starts and continues for hours, chills, slightly itchy and twitchy, headache
- 2am-4am breathing harder, face is hot, lips feel drier
- 5am-12pm sleep
- 12pm urine seems foamier than usual
Do the above sound like Vitamin A related symptoms, despite the diet being only rice, light olive oil, and salt?
Quote from dan on February 20, 2019, 1:37 pmLast night I repeated the steps that caused my earlier freak-out, except without pea protein this time:
- 5:20pm meal #1 (1 cup white rice, 20ml extra light olive oil, 1/8 tsp salt)
- 7:20pm meal #2. immediately notice headache and back hurting.
- 8:11pm drink 350 ml distilled water
- 8:27 meal #3. notice back hurts again.
- 9:45pm meal #4
- 10:32pm notice anxiety
- 11:00pm drink 250 ml distilled water
- 11:15pm notice feet are very cold (which continues for several hours), visual afterimages lingering
- 11:41pm meal #5
- 12:45am getting hot, palms sweating, cold, laughing/crying, stiff neck, very poor short term memory, vision has reduced contrast (darkness seems brighter)
- 1:00am throat starts itching then hurting, generally twitchiness, headache, head feels hot
- 1:15am increasing gut discomfort, tinnitus, "i want to die" thoughts, hard to concentrate on reading, impatient
- 1:45am burping starts and continues for hours, chills, slightly itchy and twitchy, headache
- 2am-4am breathing harder, face is hot, lips feel drier
- 5am-12pm sleep
- 12pm urine seems foamier than usual
Do the above sound like Vitamin A related symptoms, despite the diet being only rice, light olive oil, and salt?
I would try cutting out olive oil. And use some kind of mineral salt, should be extra important as you're drinking distilled water (which I think is a good thing btw). And try to fall asleep before the nightly cortisol raise comes, that means falling asleep before about 10.30pm for you, so maybe try to go to bed at about 9 pm. You might have to reconfigure your whole circadian rhythm for that to work, which is easier if you make sure to look at the sunset/sunrise, not through a glass window. If that doesn't work try switching out rice for something else, maybe potatoes or bread. Do you get sick from drinking the tap water btw? Do you cook with distilled water? Because rice sucks up a ton of water when you cook it, so if you're sensitve to something in the tap water you're obviously getting a big dose of it if you cook your rice in it, cook it with distilled water instead.
Oh wait I just read you're using instant rice. That might cause it to have more resistant starch, that could cause anxiety, resistant starch certainly causes anxiety for me. So try normally cooked short grain rice. Or just bread. I feel a bit loopy myself if I eat too much rice, maybe because of the high manganese content, I don't know.
What's the olive oil you're using? I know the carotenoids in it can vary quite a bit.
How come you eat so frequently? What happens if you eat bigger meals 3 times a day? And why only rice? Are you making sure you get enough calories because low kcal can really f*ck up one's mental health esp if done long term. White instant rice is as good as void of all nutritions. That plus distilled water.. My guess is you need food and calories, probably more salt and fat maybe even sugar as well (i e nuts) and def some meat. When did your mental issues first appear and how have you been living for the past years, nutrition wise?
Some of the symtoms sounds like blood sugar issues and some sounds like over hydrated issues (as in too much water too little minerals).
The foamy urine, itchyness and headache def sounds like detox at least.
Hairtest might help point the way as well. You could be high or low in minerals. Sounds like lack of HCl, bile, so digestion is impaired, sodium, zinc and adequate protein/aminos acids are required here. Also electrolytes are important, that diet would be lacking potassium, RDA is closed to 4 grams per day.
Hairtest would help see what your balance of magnesium, potassium, calcium, phosphorus, sodium, zinc, copper, iron, chromium, manganese, molybdenum, selenium, etc...
Cold sweaty hands and feet, is high adrenaline/cortisol, so blood sugar issues, again impaired digestion, insulin, thyroid.... depleting vitamin A will help here, but you need to also be eating protein and calories.
In my experience, insomnia is nothing more than the body being overwhelmed with stress. So the remedy is to help the body function without increasing stress. Any supplement that stimulate more than it helps the immune system or digestive system will make things worse as in vitamin b6 that you took.
You were able to sleep from 5a-12pm when normal cortisol levels are at their highest for the day. If a person feels stressed then the body is not able to produce enough cortisol and/or the immune may be suppressing cortisol output. Regardless what it is, helping the immune system or digestive system before going to bed will help the body relax and stop the mind from racing.
The first 12 hours of the day are just as important to being able to sleep at night as the evening hours are. I don't take things that stimulate in the morning when normal cortisol levels are high. I also don't eat big meals in the morning.
Everybody has their treatment plan when they are sick. Do that plan.
Some products that have helped me fall asleep:
1. Activated Charcoal
2. Liver Cleanse, Gaia Herbs
3. Black Seed Oil, Amazing Herbs. Dr G. recommends it.
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Today I tried cooking medium-grain rice instead of soaking instant rice. Both are fortified. Still with 20ml light olive oil per meal. Result: The distressing symptoms did not reoccur this time.
So I'm now hypothesizing that "resistant starch" may be a big issue for me. Other possible explanations: medium-grain rice has more amylose, less amylopectin. Or there's something else wrong with instant rice.
More discussion about resistant starch at https://ggenereux.blog/discussion/topic/resistant-starch-scfas-and-modern-commodities-a-gut-issue/
That's fascinating. If you're willing to experiment some more, it would be interesting to test short grain sticky rice since it has the most amylopectin. It would really isolate resistant starch as the possible culprit.
Trying another brand of instant rice might be worth it too since it could be something from their processing.
Quote from dan on February 22, 2019, 2:29 amToday I tried cooking medium-grain rice instead of soaking instant rice. Both are fortified. Still with 20ml light olive oil per meal. Result: The distressing symptoms did not reoccur this time.
So I'm now hypothesizing that "resistant starch" may be a big issue for me. Other possible explanations: medium-grain rice has more amylose, less amylopectin. Or there's something else wrong with instant rice.
More discussion about resistant starch at https://ggenereux.blog/discussion/topic/resistant-starch-scfas-and-modern-commodities-a-gut-issue/
You want more amylopectin not less. Long grain has the least, short grain has the most. Amylose is literally a resistant starch. Instant rice is different, if you cook a starch and then cool it it will have a ton of resistant starch no matter what amylopectin/amylose ratio it started out with.