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Milk alternatives
Quote from lil chick on September 21, 2025, 4:44 pmI'm not going to say Big Milk hasn't been propagandizing. But that doesn't mean that milk isn't good food.
I'm not going to say Big Milk hasn't been propagandizing. But that doesn't mean that milk isn't good food.
Quote from Joe2 on September 21, 2025, 9:13 pmI bet farmers when vast majority of population was farmers, maintained a maximum variety of crops and livestock they could. Cows were usually the top of the line. Have a few dairy cows on a farm with chickens, sheep, goats, pigs, dogs, cats, and people makes it vastly easier to keep everyone well fed and growing well. It requires a bit more pasture than farms without cows. And it is always worth it. Interesting seeing a graphic exampled of that in Justin Rhodes' youtube channel after the family restarted their farm from scratch after their 50 state farm tour in their bus.
I also think much of Rhodes' health issues are due to over reliance on dairy. I feel more certain daily that all of their health issues are due to vA. Have already tried a few times to clue Justin in to low vA. Either way, the farmers I knew growing up kept at least a few dairy cows and a few beef cows. The healthiest strongest ones relied on the cows primarily for beef and took on a little dairy. Much or most of the dairy went to feeding the pigs and birds.
The dairy farmers I have known were the ones who took in the most dairy. Even they did not rely on dairy to the extent most of us city folk have come to gobble it up. The media push in our culture toward dairy and away from meat has been obvious for at least 40 years. Probably much longer but that is where my memory reaches.
I bet farmers when vast majority of population was farmers, maintained a maximum variety of crops and livestock they could. Cows were usually the top of the line. Have a few dairy cows on a farm with chickens, sheep, goats, pigs, dogs, cats, and people makes it vastly easier to keep everyone well fed and growing well. It requires a bit more pasture than farms without cows. And it is always worth it. Interesting seeing a graphic exampled of that in Justin Rhodes' youtube channel after the family restarted their farm from scratch after their 50 state farm tour in their bus.
I also think much of Rhodes' health issues are due to over reliance on dairy. I feel more certain daily that all of their health issues are due to vA. Have already tried a few times to clue Justin in to low vA. Either way, the farmers I knew growing up kept at least a few dairy cows and a few beef cows. The healthiest strongest ones relied on the cows primarily for beef and took on a little dairy. Much or most of the dairy went to feeding the pigs and birds.
The dairy farmers I have known were the ones who took in the most dairy. Even they did not rely on dairy to the extent most of us city folk have come to gobble it up. The media push in our culture toward dairy and away from meat has been obvious for at least 40 years. Probably much longer but that is where my memory reaches.
Quote from lil chick on September 22, 2025, 5:44 amI'm pretty sure there is a quote from "Gone With the Wind" or some such that goes:
The difference between down-and-out and no-account is that a family at least has a cow.
Do you remember that Scarlett found a lost cow and brought it back to Tara (after the burning of Atlanta) so that Mellie's baby would have milk growing up?
Once I was on vacation with my parents as a kid, eating breakfast at the hotel. One of us kids whispered that he couldn't poop and my dad shouted
"HAVE SOME MILK IT WILL STRAIGHTEN YOU RIGHT OUT"
We all died of embarrassment that day.
This was probably old wisdom and not something he thought of himself, IMO. It wouldn't be good if baby cows went around constipated. I'm always surprised that I'm such a good pooper compared with everyone else here. I often wonder if it is the fact that I haven't dropped milk (and it's ferments).
Milk is how to turn grass into something that is designed to be a food (by nature) and you don't have to kill the animal to get at it. It is brilliant. Those of us who have the genes for lactose tolerance as adults have a super power of survival (IMO).
Perhaps it is best for the cow to be eating sun-dried hay rather than grass LOL, less carotenes! Do the WAPF'ers have it backwards and is that one of the reasons they suffer as farmers? In general Northern Europeans cows would have existed on hay for half the year or more.
I'm pretty sure there is a quote from "Gone With the Wind" or some such that goes:
The difference between down-and-out and no-account is that a family at least has a cow.
Do you remember that Scarlett found a lost cow and brought it back to Tara (after the burning of Atlanta) so that Mellie's baby would have milk growing up?
Once I was on vacation with my parents as a kid, eating breakfast at the hotel. One of us kids whispered that he couldn't poop and my dad shouted
"HAVE SOME MILK IT WILL STRAIGHTEN YOU RIGHT OUT"
We all died of embarrassment that day.
This was probably old wisdom and not something he thought of himself, IMO. It wouldn't be good if baby cows went around constipated. I'm always surprised that I'm such a good pooper compared with everyone else here. I often wonder if it is the fact that I haven't dropped milk (and it's ferments).
Milk is how to turn grass into something that is designed to be a food (by nature) and you don't have to kill the animal to get at it. It is brilliant. Those of us who have the genes for lactose tolerance as adults have a super power of survival (IMO).
Perhaps it is best for the cow to be eating sun-dried hay rather than grass LOL, less carotenes! Do the WAPF'ers have it backwards and is that one of the reasons they suffer as farmers? In general Northern Europeans cows would have existed on hay for half the year or more.
Quote from lil chick on September 22, 2025, 6:01 amNow, the Price/the wapfers believe that the green grass imparts vitamin K into the fats, and perhaps that is true.
Joe talks a lot about the two ways livers work: detoxing during lower vA times, storing during higher vA times.
Does that mean that perhaps cows were on a winter detox/summer storage schedule?
Even environments that don't have cold winter have times when the grass doesn't grow. Dry times etc. Wapfer's often try to skirt around these seasons by keeping fields green with irrigation, I remember some intricate gray-water systems of mobile milking vans.
Do wapf farmers also have tick-borne disease issues? (as I probably do?). I can see that this might not even be (choose fave Lyme conspiracy) but also just part of being an outdoorsman. Some here don't believe that the body uses vA to help with infection, but I believe that it does, and so a mix of high vA diet and trying to keep infections at bay can end up... IMO... with chronic malaise. I've read that colonists used to say that coming to the Americas would cause a European person to go through "seasoning".
Now, the Price/the wapfers believe that the green grass imparts vitamin K into the fats, and perhaps that is true.
Joe talks a lot about the two ways livers work: detoxing during lower vA times, storing during higher vA times.
Does that mean that perhaps cows were on a winter detox/summer storage schedule?
Even environments that don't have cold winter have times when the grass doesn't grow. Dry times etc. Wapfer's often try to skirt around these seasons by keeping fields green with irrigation, I remember some intricate gray-water systems of mobile milking vans.
Do wapf farmers also have tick-borne disease issues? (as I probably do?). I can see that this might not even be (choose fave Lyme conspiracy) but also just part of being an outdoorsman. Some here don't believe that the body uses vA to help with infection, but I believe that it does, and so a mix of high vA diet and trying to keep infections at bay can end up... IMO... with chronic malaise. I've read that colonists used to say that coming to the Americas would cause a European person to go through "seasoning".
Quote from Joe2 on September 22, 2025, 2:37 pmMy experience and what I see in a different light these last 3 years is the vA makes us more vulnerable to infectious and allergic reactions. It is another meme of opposites foisted on us by fraudulent vA science. Just like eating more vA is supposed to give us better vision. Well maybe it does right before our livers over flow and then it makes vision much worse. Mine is still recovering.
My experience and what I see in a different light these last 3 years is the vA makes us more vulnerable to infectious and allergic reactions. It is another meme of opposites foisted on us by fraudulent vA science. Just like eating more vA is supposed to give us better vision. Well maybe it does right before our livers over flow and then it makes vision much worse. Mine is still recovering.
Quote from Joseph on September 22, 2025, 4:40 pmI was a fan of dairy all my life. I've had more than enough extra cheese pizzas, loaded cheese fries, cheese omelettes and nachos, sour/ice/heavy cream and quiche lorraines and on and on. I was also ignorant all my life, until I encountered Grant's work, that one could have too much of a certain molecule in all of these foods. I laughed off the idea of cholesterol as a bogeyman.
I now understand that products are mass produced and markets are then created for them by clever men. I was lied to my entire life. I detest dairy now though I still have a tinge of yearning whenever I scent someone's piping hot cheese pizza or butter-fried whatever. The drug effect of dairy is real. I also found that dairy moves bowels in the short term at a long-term cost. Mine move fine though it was a rough shlough for a few weeks while my gut re-calibrated. Cold turkey off of butter was what hurt the most.
I was a fan of dairy all my life. I've had more than enough extra cheese pizzas, loaded cheese fries, cheese omelettes and nachos, sour/ice/heavy cream and quiche lorraines and on and on. I was also ignorant all my life, until I encountered Grant's work, that one could have too much of a certain molecule in all of these foods. I laughed off the idea of cholesterol as a bogeyman.
I now understand that products are mass produced and markets are then created for them by clever men. I was lied to my entire life. I detest dairy now though I still have a tinge of yearning whenever I scent someone's piping hot cheese pizza or butter-fried whatever. The drug effect of dairy is real. I also found that dairy moves bowels in the short term at a long-term cost. Mine move fine though it was a rough shlough for a few weeks while my gut re-calibrated. Cold turkey off of butter was what hurt the most.
Quote from lil chick on September 23, 2025, 5:08 amAnd there is the calcium to consider... husband (lactose intolerant) has had oxalate kidney stones and I have not. Probably people who aren't on dairy need to be more careful about oxalates. And some milk alternatives are made from oxalate foods, like nuts. So you are replacing an anti-oxalate food with a pro-oxalate food. In a way, this is a double-whammy.
I do understand that dairy is a slippery slope and can be overdone, very similar, IMO, to eggs in that way. At the end of the day we need to keep the VA to levels our body can get rid of each and every day. For each of us, that level is different, I bet. I've cut cream and ice cream from my diet, which was surprisingly easy.
And there is the calcium to consider... husband (lactose intolerant) has had oxalate kidney stones and I have not. Probably people who aren't on dairy need to be more careful about oxalates. And some milk alternatives are made from oxalate foods, like nuts. So you are replacing an anti-oxalate food with a pro-oxalate food. In a way, this is a double-whammy.
I do understand that dairy is a slippery slope and can be overdone, very similar, IMO, to eggs in that way. At the end of the day we need to keep the VA to levels our body can get rid of each and every day. For each of us, that level is different, I bet. I've cut cream and ice cream from my diet, which was surprisingly easy.
Quote from lil chick on September 23, 2025, 5:38 amI'm still of the opinion that the basis of the diet should be meat and carb.
I'm still of the opinion that the basis of the diet should be meat and carb.