Quote from Deleted user on August 28, 2024, 12:52 pm

Quote from Alex on August 28, 2024, 12:03 pm

Quote from Janelle525 on August 28, 2024, 11:46 am

You can find a ton of evidence that vitamin A is GOOD. Does that mean it is all factual information? Hardly. Science is so hijacked. You can manipulate findings easily. What is more interesting are papers revealing the HARM because those scientists are not going to get front page of any science journal. 

I mean yeah clearly too much is bad doesn't mean we don't need it though, from doing the mineral balancing stuff it is clear to me that it is needed, just people aren't metabolising it correctly due to various factors or they do have actual toxicity in Vitamin A.

Then how do you explain that Grant did not go blind 9 years ago and die 8 years ago and is in physically better shape than anyone you know at his age?

Quote from Alex on August 28, 2024, 12:58 pm

 

@janelle525 Not sure but the higher your metabolic rate the more you will be able to handle, and the lower then the less you can handle  and it can make you more hypothyroid. Also if your glutathione status is good you will be able to handle/metabolise vit A better, if it is bad from toxicities in metals, mold, pathogens, deficiencies of minerals then vit A will probably cause you issues.

I think if you are consuming a bunch of sugar which slows down ALDH, if you are low in potassium mag zinc molybedenum and copper, if you are consuming a bunch of glyphosate, if you are very toxic in metals lowering your glutathione status then its gonna cause you issues, if you have an overgrowth of bad bacteria, fungi or mold then they all burden your ALDH and it won't be processing vit A correctly.

The trouble with certain food sources of vit A like milk , yogurt ice cream is they are all high in calcium which for a slow oxidiser will turn off your proper metabolism as calcium blocks potassium from entering the cells.

And yes if you have built up toxicity in it then it is helpful to reduce intake of vit A

Quote from Deleted user on August 28, 2024, 1:06 pm

Quote from Alex on August 28, 2024, 12:58 pm

 

@janelle525 Not sure but the higher your metabolic rate the more you will be able to handle, and the lower then the less you can handle  and it can make you more hypothyroid. Also if your glutathione status is good you will be able to handle/metabolise vit A better, if it is bad from toxicities in metals, mold, pathogens, deficiencies of minerals then vit A will probably cause you issues.

I think if you are consuming a bunch of sugar which slows down ALDH, if you are low in potassium mag zinc molybedenum and copper, if you are consuming a bunch of glyphosate, if you are very toxic in metals lowering your glutathione status then its gonna cause you issues, if you have an overgrowth of bad bacteria, fungi or mold then they all burden your ALDH and it won't be processing vit A correctly.

The trouble with certain food sources of vit A like milk , yogurt ice cream is they are all high in calcium which for a slow oxidiser will turn off your proper metabolism as calcium blocks potassium from entering the cells.

And yes if you have built up toxicity in it then it is helpful to reduce intake of vit A

Will you please address the question of why you think vitamin A is a nutrient?  What you have addressed here is all the ways you can imagine that a toxin may or may not be harder to "handle."  You presented not one idea that bears out any possible use for vitamin A.

You could have just as easily substituted the word cyanide or mercury or arsenic for vitamin A and your comment would make just as much if not more sense.   If anything you are making the case that vitamin A is not a nutrient.  It is in fact a toxin.  

That being the case, why are you writing comments like this on a blog owned and run by a guy who has proven that vitamin A is not a nutrient?   He has presented ample evidence that it is a toxin and that the science around it is fraudulent and always has been.  Yet you ignore all that.   It costs you nothing but time to come on here and spread false paradigms.  So why are you doing it?  Why are you spending the time to do that here?  Why not get on reddit and tell the world how lame this blog is and why?

Quote from Alex on August 28, 2024, 1:12 pm

Quote from Joe on August 28, 2024, 12:52 pm

Quote from Alex on August 28, 2024, 12:03 pm

Quote from Janelle525 on August 28, 2024, 11:46 am

You can find a ton of evidence that vitamin A is GOOD. Does that mean it is all factual information? Hardly. Science is so hijacked. You can manipulate findings easily. What is more interesting are papers revealing the HARM because those scientists are not going to get front page of any science journal. 

I mean yeah clearly too much is bad doesn't mean we don't need it though, from doing the mineral balancing stuff it is clear to me that it is needed, just people aren't metabolising it correctly due to various factors or they do have actual toxicity in Vitamin A.

Then how do you explain that Grant did not go blind 9 years ago and die 8 years ago and is in physically better shape than anyone you know at his age?

@joe I'm tired of this argument... Sorry you see things in such black and white terms, maybe because there are other explanations for why this happened.

Was gonna post this on RP forum a while ago but I'll post it here:

I also think viewing Vitamin A only as a toxin is a poor ideology too.

Just because your health issues improved on a low vitamin A diet and just because Grant has been on a low vitamin A diet for 10 years and fixed his health issues neither of those automatically mean Vitamin A is only a toxin.

Maybe you weren’t metabolising the Vit A properly due to your ALDH being inhibited for some reason (lots of things do this), maybe you were toxic in Vit A which slowed down your bile production and going on a low vitamin A diet fixed that issue, maybe having vitamin A toxicity caused you to have a functional deficiency in Vitamin A at the same time and going low vit A made the stored vitamin A more bioavailable , maybe there was a source of glyphosate in your diet or some other pesticide and this inhibited the catabolism of vitamin A, maybe you had mineral deficiencies or metal toxicities causing issues with Vitamin A metabolism, maybe low vitamin A is an adaptive way for your body to operate without vitamin A consumption and there are some benefits to this, maybe you had some pathogen or mold inhibiting your ALDH, there are a lot of possibilities for as to why Vitamin A was causing people issues but I don’t see the Vitamin A is a toxin people considering any of these they just jump straight to vitamin A only being a toxin because they had the experience of feeling better and health improvements on a low Vitamin A diet.

Does it really seem likely that this “toxin” is in pretty much every food humans have been consuming throughout history. If you believe in god do you really think he would make this design error that we have this toxin in most of the food we eat that we all unaware about. Or is he poisoning us all secretly on purpose - doesn't seem likely.

80% of people are slow oxidisers on Hair trace mineral analysis this means you burn through minerals and vitamins at a slower rate which allows you to build up toxicities. Slow oxidisers have reduced thyroid and adrenal activity. 

Now if you go on a Ray peat diet as a slow oxidiser it is basically an early death wish and you certainly will have issues with Vitamin A while on a ray peat diet as a slow oxidiser. High sugar consumption, high calcium consumption, high vit A and then you get bad Vitamin A toxicity.

Quote from Janelle525 on August 28, 2024, 1:31 pm

Quote from Alex on August 28, 2024, 12:58 pm

 

@janelle525 Not sure but the higher your metabolic rate the more you will be able to handle, and the lower then the less you can handle  and it can make you more hypothyroid. Also if your glutathione status is good you will be able to handle/metabolise vit A better, if it is bad from toxicities in metals, mold, pathogens, deficiencies of minerals then vit A will probably cause you issues.

I think if you are consuming a bunch of sugar which slows down ALDH, if you are low in potassium mag zinc molybedenum and copper, if you are consuming a bunch of glyphosate, if you are very toxic in metals lowering your glutathione status then its gonna cause you issues, if you have an overgrowth of bad bacteria, fungi or mold then they all burden your ALDH and it won't be processing vit A correctly.

The trouble with certain food sources of vit A like milk , yogurt ice cream is they are all high in calcium which for a slow oxidiser will turn off your proper metabolism as calcium blocks potassium from entering the cells.

And yes if you have built up toxicity in it then it is helpful to reduce intake of vit A

How do you gauge glutathione status? It's not like regular people are going out getting this stuff checked. I've never checked mine. I think asthma and respiratory infections reveal bad glutathione status. And I've never had asthma but I have had my fair share of upper respiratory stuff. I haven't been sick in a yr now. Actually my entire family hasn't been sick. We are eating better than we ever have, we didn't need to eliminate dairy to get there either, both my kids consume ice cream and the younger drinks gatorade and chocolate milk, I eat some cheese for vitamin K2 as vitamin A depletes k. This stuff works. No need to chase your tail on hair tests and supplements. Consume more soluble fiber, make sure you are pooping, get enough animal protein, no fast food, and limit carotenoids and vitamin A. Then the metabolism is fine, sickness is avoided. I think we tend to overcomplicate things. Also I suspect Karen Hurd is on to something with saturated fat. She said this:

"those saturated fats will make no chemical bonds with anything else we have to have fats to be able to make hormones we have to have fats to have the hormones that reduce inflammation but to be able to have a fat to be able to make those nice hormones it has to play if it's so stable it won't play in a chemical reaction then you won't get those hormones and if you don't have any other fats then that means we have to use that saturated fat so it will go through what's called the beta oxidation process which is a six-step chemical process to turn the saturated fat into an unsaturated fat so it will play nicely with its neighbors so a saturated fat is like folded arms across the chest I will have nothing to do with anybody leave me alone I'm just going to go get stored on the body in some nice quiet place and if you want to have a chemical reaction with me you're going to have to fundamentally change me and that's what does happen and when you go through the beta oxidation process most people don't even understand when you actually have to break bonds these single bonds and then you have to make double bonds when that type of chemical reaction happens you create free radicals you create electrons that are just bouncing around without a partner because believe me every electron wants to have a mate it has to have a mate if it doesn't have a mate it will go beat up somebody else and grab its mate because it's got to have a mate no matter what you have to have paired electrons and if you don't you create a free radical and so free radicals get a mate will actually go at I'm talking at huge speeds huge speeds will slam into a cell to rip away a electron and it damages the cell when it slams into it now we have an injury an injured cell and so then we have to have inflammatory things to come in and try to say so section you off we got to heal. But then you also created another angry cell because it's lost an electron and it has to have electron so it'll slam itself into another cell to steal somebody else's electron it's like an allout brawl that's what saturated fats do to us create all out brawls because one guy won't play nice won't play at all just sits there with arm full and say leave me alone might as well just eat the unsaturated fat yes if you just eat the unsaturated fat it's all okay you know you're good you're good no brawls no oxidation well I mean we get oxidative stress from you know other ways so might as well not eat it right . "

Could that be causing low gutathione??? Saturated fat creates inflammation. YIKES. Because everyone is saying these are the best fats to consume. Well let me tell you my Grandma LOVED animal fat and she nearly died of a heart attack. 

Quote from Alex on August 28, 2024, 2:01 pm

@janelle525 When sodium and potassium are low on an HTMA usually means your glutathione is down. I'm glad the approach is working for you but yeah this approach doesn't work for everyone.

I tried a very low vit A approach last week with just beef, oats, just to see if my bile ramped up. It didn't and I felt much worse in the sun too from all the iron from the beef without any calcium or copper to protect against it, but then I had some goats cheese suddenly I felt way better in the sun because I had some calcium and copper to balance out the iron and maybe also the vit A was also helping with the iron too. Also I felt my gallbladder squirting bile out when I had the goats cheese but not when I was strictly low Vit A.

Quote from Janelle525 on August 28, 2024, 2:16 pm

Quote from Alex on August 28, 2024, 2:01 pm

@janelle525 When sodium and potassium are low on an HTMA usually means your glutathione is down. I'm glad the approach is working for you but yeah this approach doesn't work for everyone.

I tried a very low vit A approach last week with just beef, oats, just to see if my bile ramped up. It didn't and I felt much worse in the sun too from all the iron from the beef without any calcium or copper to protect against it, but then I had some goats cheese suddenly I felt way better in the sun because I had some calcium and copper to balance out the iron and maybe also the vit A was also helping with the iron too. Also I felt my gallbladder squirting bile out when I had the goats cheese but not when I was strictly low Vit A.

I never said to only eat beef and fiber. I think that is just WAY too extreme. But for some maybe it needs to be done. My husband couldn't lose weight at all eating beef and carbs, now he's losing massive amounts of weight quickly on only beef, chicken, pork. Also I disagree with a low fat diet. I think this can slow down progress. We need fats as the quote I posted above shows. So it's not surprising you felt your gallbladder come to life with cheese. What percentage fat was the beef? 

Quote from Alex on August 28, 2024, 2:19 pm

@janelle525 Nah I also had peeled potatoes too with olive oil, fat percentage of beef was probably 20% so it wasn't low fat

Quote from Alex on August 28, 2024, 2:22 pm

Quote from Janelle525 on August 28, 2024, 2:16 pm

Quote from Alex on August 28, 2024, 2:01 pm

@janelle525 When sodium and potassium are low on an HTMA usually means your glutathione is down. I'm glad the approach is working for you but yeah this approach doesn't work for everyone.

I tried a very low vit A approach last week with just beef, oats, just to see if my bile ramped up. It didn't and I felt much worse in the sun too from all the iron from the beef without any calcium or copper to protect against it, but then I had some goats cheese suddenly I felt way better in the sun because I had some calcium and copper to balance out the iron and maybe also the vit A was also helping with the iron too. Also I felt my gallbladder squirting bile out when I had the goats cheese but not when I was strictly low Vit A.

I never said to only eat beef and fiber. I think that is just WAY too extreme. But for some maybe it needs to be done. My husband couldn't lose weight at all eating beef and carbs, now he's losing massive amounts of weight quickly on only beef, chicken, pork. Also I disagree with a low fat diet. I think this can slow down progress. We need fats as the quote I posted above shows. So it's not surprising you felt your gallbladder come to life with cheese. What percentage fat was the beef? 

I did have chicken too forgot to mention