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New protocol to fix iron/copper toxicity
What you think about this? The guy is taking INSANE amounts of main copper antagonists molybdenum, zinc and vit C for a long time and has no copper deficiency symptoms. Meanwhile look at all those copper promoters. They all look like have copper deficiency. How interesting is that.. It will be interesting if a lot of people will start this protocol how many of them or if any will develop some copper deficiency symptoms.. I don't think everyone is copper toxic, but many of us are. I will try something similar, but much lower doses and apolactoferrin instead of EGCG, because my liver enzymes are already elevated and EGCG could do more damage.. But I don't see the need to rush into huge doses like in that protocol. I will just up my zinc and moly, add some Bs with apolactofferin and will see..
I think it sounds crazy. Why spend all that money on supplements that might make you throw up if not taken in the exact amount?
@eio Well it is not about the money. Those supps are not expensive. But what is crazy to me is that he thinks everyone needs to take the same amounts? That makes no sense to me at all. You can have the same guys(age, weight, life style, diet) and they could have completely different micronutrient needs. Let alone when you compare female to male, big to small, different race, genetics, environment, life style, diet etc.. Someone could do serious harm with dosages like that for longer period without testing..
Another holy grail protocol to solve all ills. The guy is not healthy, he smokes a pack a day, attends strip clubs, and eats a fast food diet. Seems like he found a workaround to have an extremely unhealthy lifestyle, but he will age like everyone else, and faster too because of the smoking and fast food. I don't know anyone who can smoke a pack a day and come out healthier. But as far as needing that much zinc... yeah for addicts they probably do. They have their mineral ratios way way off because of their high stress lifestyle. Ray Peat diet did the same to me, wouldn't have mattered how much meat i ate when my diet was chock full of sugar, chocolate and coffee.
@janelle525 yeah he feels good NOW in his age. 10-20 years down the road it will be completely different story with all that smoking, eating fried foods, drinking Sprite.. But a lot of people are jumping on his protocol. So will see heh..
@janelle525 and @jiri It does sound like a miracle protocol to allow someone to look and maybe feel healthy while continuing to smoke, eat non-nutritious food, etc. He seems to be fixated on looks and not overall health. I think people will try it and give up eventually.
You are right that the supplements might not cost that much. I wouldn't have the patience to take them and go through any nausea or vomiting. I guess these people are desperate.
I definitely don't want to cause vomiting. Seems if you get the ratios wrong that's what can happen. I am very intrigued by it though. I messed myself up really really bad on the ray peat stuff, I thought I was doing so much better this yr with the bean protocol, but there's definitely something missing. I don't think it's vitamin A for me. My levels are 'normal'. When I started the beans I began having heavy periods and very bad dry eyes. That can't be good. I also am more likely to be wired kinda like electrified as some people say with copper toxicity. Beans are pretty high in copper. I thought I had gotten my levels down to a decent range using high dose vitamin C for many yrs, but I think now I'm building back up again. So despite my harsh criticism of why people have to stay on such high doses, I don't think it would hurt to try it for a couple weeks. I tried the glucose protocol as well. That was a disaster, no motivation to ever try crazy doses of dextrose again. Tried the bean protocol, ended up with dry eyes and heavy periods. Many others have the dry eyes as well. I see he lists B6 deficiency for that, but I will never try B6 by itself, and I don't want to go back to eating a bunch of bananas which were causing me to be very sluggish. So with everything combined I think this protocol may be the safest I've seen for removing copper and excess iron. I don't think I have a bunch of iron because of the heavy periods, but copper seems to be going too high and more beans don't seem to be the answer I'm looking for. I say 'seem' because I have no other explanation for why my hormones are so off.
Quote from Janelle525 on January 3, 2025, 1:04 pmTried the bean protocol, ended up with dry eyes and heavy periods. Many others have the dry eyes as well. I see he lists B6 deficiency for that, but I will never try B6 by itself, and I don't want to go back to eating a bunch of bananas which were causing me to be very sluggish.
Instead of bananas, could you try wheat and oats to go along with your beans? I suggest wheat in the form of bulgur wheat or couscous, so there is no fortifications or other tampering with the wheat. Wheat and oats have B6. Also, have you tried a wide variety of beans? I met a pastor in Africa who developed an allergy to beans, but he could still eat peas. So I had him try lentils, and he tolerated the lentils without problem.
I copy it here so we know what he is talking about
Alright ill just make a fresh protocol post:
Theory: The purpose of this detox is to simultaneously pull copper and iron from the tissues into the blood, while also keeping a constant chelation balance of them from the blood into the bile ducts and urine, and finally taking the right amount or zinc to replenish the empty stores you just removed copper and iron from.
Each vitamin is in its basic form due to the nature of this formula. The basic forms won't activate if the body doesn't need them yet, and is in excessive dosages, in the correct balance, to both prevent negative effects of b6, and C, as well as allow you to be experimental with the minerals and iron chelator, EGCG.
Molybdenum, while appearing excessive in this formula, is necessary because when you chelate iron, you are not chelating copper, but rather making it "bioavailable" again. And this newly freed copper will send the body into adrenal shutdown because EGCG chelates iron very potently, thus activating large amounts of copper. Under normal circumstances, you wouldn't have so much free copper in the blood for the need to ever take so much molybdenum, but in this case, you need a lot of it to produce enough uric acid to pull all that newly freed copper into the urine for excretion.
This process uses a massive amount of biotin, and in turn, vitamin B5, and requires Vitamin C to mobilize everything in the bloodstream as B6 merely pulls it from the tissues into the blood.
Most people claim normal B6 is toxic, but I challenge this. B6 requires coenzymators in the body, Biotin mostly, but also B5 indirectly because Biotin uses B5. When properly adhered to the right ratios, this form of B6 hasn't caused any participant any negative effects from normal B6 supplementation.
If EGCG is not taken, the iron bound copper won't excrete, and if molybdenum is not taken, the copper will wreak havoc on your body in search of new free iron, making you appear totally anemic.
The theory is we have so much stored copper and iron that our bodies usage of b vitamins and Zinc, as well as many many other nutrients is completely hindered. Without zinc, we can't retain potassium. Which causes us to retain more salt to compensate.
It causes our hormones to go haywire, and we completely lose our masculinity or femininity.
It's causing our brains to malfunction, and our emotions to run rampant. It's making us, for lack of a better term, evil.
Selfish. Emotional. Negative. And completely unable to process empathy if toxic enough.
It stunts our growth, both physically, and dare I say spiritually.
And by replenishing zinc, while eliminating copper and iron, your DNA begins to heal, and your bodily ailments with that. Physically and mentally. And yes, spiritually. You become the best you imaginable.
***Standard Protocol***
- 750-1000mg of EGCG (Not to be mistaken for Green Tea Extract, but the EGCG portion of it.) [Any brand but the NOW brand, it's weaker] <don't overdo, or underdo, adhere to symptom checker if you do>
- 2.5-3mg of Molybdenum [I use Piping Rock 500mcg caps] <relatively safe to overdo so long as you have the vitamins in your stomach and your iron isn't already high>
- 100mg of Elemental Zinc [I use the cheap Gluconate] <Don't overdo>
- 100mg of Vitamin B6 (Pyrodoxine Hcl) [any brand is fine] <Dont Overdo>
- 250-300mg of Vitamin B5 (Pantothenic Acid) [Any brand is fine] <Safe to overdo>
- 100-150mg of Biotin (I use pure Biotin Powder under the tongue) [search pure Biotin Powder on Amazon] <Safe to overdo>
- 5000mg of Vitamin C (Ascorbic Acid ONLY, no fillers or especially NO Rutin, or other antioxidants) [any brand so long as it's just Ascorbic acid]
Taken all at the same time after a meal. Start with EGCG unless it makes you gag, then start with the vitamins and Molybdenum and zinc then egcg last.
**Nausea Calibrator/Symptom Checker**
It is normal to experience initial nausea from the zinc, but if it gets progressively worse see symptom checker below to help calibrate. It most likely means one of the following:
1. Pale Lips, Anger, Nausea, Greasy thinning hair, Left side pain, cold clammy hands, - You need more molybdenum, your copper is being forced without enough uric acid out your kidneys. Take 1.5mg of Molybdenum, reassess symptoms, this might trigger a need for more egcg or zinc.
2. Reddish lips, reddish oily fingertips, depression, right side or lower stomach pain near testes. Acidic light diarrhea(extreme deficiency), joint pain in fingers, nausea, lower back pain, rashes, coppery taste in mouth, center front hair receding or thinning, - You need zinc, you've chelated too much iron with egcg and the body needs to replace those storage sites. Take 50mg of Zinc and 1mg of molybdenum and reassess, you might have to repeat or this might trigger your need for more EGCG fast.
3. Purple nail beds, warm hands, bloated stomach, constipation, dark frothy diarrhea, coughing or wheezing, stomach pain either side but usually centered like you've eaten too much, hair oily and shiny, maybe itchy scalp, bleeding gums, dark stool, yellow eyes. -You have too much iron in the blood and copper can't excrete, you need more egcg. Take 600mg of EGCG with 1mg of Molybdenum and reassess symptoms.
**Stool Symptoms**
Floating Stool - Low B6
Thick Bulky Stool - Low EGCG or Low Biotin
Light colored stool - Low Zinc or Low C
Light colored watery Stool - Low C
Light colored acidic stool - Low Zinc
Smelly tarry stool - Low molybdenum (I think)
Sharp Light stool with blood.. - Low C, but you'll also go Low Zinc after taking C, and low molyb.
***Vitamin deficiency symptoms***
If you forget to take any of these vitamins in the complex these symptoms will quickly arrive.
Low B6 - Dry eyes, ring finger joint pain, side pain, insomnia, uneasy feeling, hair receding at temples, poor circulation to your pinky fingers, depression.
Low Biotin - Constipation, itchy scalp, hair shedding, excessive hunger, increased unwanted arrousal, calcium buildup taste on your tongue, hypersomnia.
Low B5 - Tricky, but I think this deficiency causes anger, bad breath, smelly stool, similar to Low Molybdenum, and really electric skin, and dark diarrhea.
Low Vitamin C - Dry hair and skin, poor circulation, anger, deep stomach pain like its on fire, aggrivated by spicy food, bloody stool, yellow eyes, diarrhea or sharp stool, pale lips, bleeding gums, insomnia.
Remember, being too high iron can mimic any vitamin deficiency because the vitamins don't want to work or else even more copper would be processed which would mean more iron surfaces.
The body will violently throw up if you try to do the wrong thing, so adhere to the gag reflex test. If something makes you gag, you don't need it yet. Try something else.
@janelle525 I don't think that some beans lets say 1 can is a problem. It is like 800mg of copper. The problem is when you eat vegan diet and you eat nothing but copper high diet like nuts, seeds, grains, legumes all the time.. If you eat mainly meat, white rice, some fruit and with it like 1 can of beans it is ok I think.. You will have issues with copper mainly because you are female and you are probably estrogen dominant.. So I would keep red meat in your diet. Plenty of protein, zinc, B vitamins. I would take some extra molybdenum and vit C for sure.. Also don't forget that iodine is essential for detoxing excess of estrogen and also stuff like mercury and high mercury is also resulting in copper toxicity..