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Question for Grant + forum
@ggenereux2014 thx and do you think that you could have zinc deficiency as well before starting beef and rice diet?
RE: do you think that you could have zinc deficiency
No, probably not. I was regularly eating beef back then too and I've never lost my sense of taste or smell.
@jessica2 Separately from the question whether A is a poison in itself or not, I wonder if the combination A + D is not a recipe for disaster.
Wouldn't it powerfully antagonize vitamin K, needed for regeneration? In that case this AD supplemented milk would be horrible!!!
Also two good reasons why vA poisoning might happen faster :
- Chlorella, spirulina and other seaweed supplements: algae are very toxic and FULL of carotenoids, which is why Atlantic cod is a problem as Grant has pointed out in his books;
- MSG and taste enhancers are in every food you can buy. They help accumulate vA in a big way.
I realize I am not going to make any friends with this.
On the topic of Grant not eating loads of vA: I think there are many many reasons why vA can accumulate after only moderate intake. I could probably write a thesis on this!
About 15 years ago a well known U.K. nutritional therapist wrote a paper about 19 clients with vA toxicity after moderate intake. I have the paper but have been asked not to share. It was never published. She was recognising this issue of accumulation even then. I don’t think the fact that Grant didn’t do excess vA from supplements means that he wasn’t vA toxic.
In my head I divide people into too much IN or not enough OUT. Probably most people have an element of both. I put myself in the latter category as I became vA toxic on a moderate intake. I inadvertently did lots of things to mess up my excretion of vA. Therefore it accumulated until in my late 40s it all got too much for my body.
@ourania I started Vit D supplements around the time I started with vA toxicity symptoms. Maybe this is relevant?
Also interested in your MSG connection. I hadn’t realised that one. How does MSG mess with vA?
Haha, I was also curious how msg effects vitamin A toxicity? Can think of a ton of other things, but this is a new one.
@jaj and @zerocool About MSG messing up with vA, I suspect several ways, but a major one is MSG is putting the ANS in continuous sympathetic mode, that is, making that mode last longer.
Which means out of 24 hours you spend more time in the sympathetic mode that you should naturally, that is less time in parasympathetic mode = less detoxing of vA.
Also I think MSG is a folate, and disturbs the equilibrium folate/cobalamin/choline. There is hell to pay in the long run.
The mind thinks in opposites, A vs D, more A less D, more D less A. The mind wants to think in opposites, but reality is not that way. To switch sides you need a least one extra element. I suspect that more A is addictive, just like folate, and you can calm down with D for a while, and you end up with a temporary cure, but this is very different from regeneration, the third option, the elephant in the room.
Thanks @ourania
Makes perfect sense.
Spending too much time in sympathetic is the elephant in the room. It’s why fear based interventions don’t work.
I’ve homed in on glutamate - GABA imbalance as the cause of my anxiety and then seizure (worse of the same). MSG fits into this. I will avoid like the plague! Thanks
@jaj I think I remember you citing a favourite food of yours (favourite means probably addiction) I thought was a really bad idea, but this was a long time ago and also I don't feel like telling other people what to eat, given that I am not in perfect shape myself.
I wonder what it was, hopefully not a Marmite/other brands sandwich? 🙁
@ourania you are completely right. I’ve been addicted to Marmite all my life!!
Once I realised that my anxiety was probably largely a glutamate - GABA imbalance, I stopped. That was probably a year ago now. I agree it was a terrible idea for me. Good for B vitamins though!