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I think I probably need more vitamin C in my diet but I'm so turned off by supplements at this point in the game.
Quote from lil chick on July 5, 2019, 2:28 pmI think I probably need more vitamin C in my diet but I'm so turned off by supplements at this point in the game.
I avoid supplements generally. Most of the time there isn't any sound reason to take them.
If one has to avoid sunlight for some reason or is unable to get sunlight exposure then it makes sense that Vitamin D supplementation would be essential.
Commercially produced ascorbic acid is a blend of true Vitamin C (L-enantiomer) and false Vitamin C (D-enantiomer). My understanding is that the D-enantiomer does not occur in nature (although I could be wrong). It doesn't make sense to me that health motivated people think that long term supplementation of Chinese factory produced ascorbic acid is a good idea. It isn't natural to ingest large amounts of ascorbic acid and from what I've read ingesting anything over about 200mg in a day doesn't do much for blood levels anyway. IV Vitamin C is a different story and perhaps IV Vitamin C would be helpful for severe Hypervitaminosis A symptoms.
Potatoes, lemon juice (I like lemon and honey drinks), strawberries and fresh pineapple are all reliable low VA sources of Vitamin C.
Vitamin C depletes body of many minerals, I had bad experiences with vitamin C in the past, food sourced vitamin C had never these side effects for me. I am taking now camu camu powder 500 mg and lemon juice... IV vitamin C is used as heavy metals chelator.
http://www.drgrisanti.com/vitamin_c_page.htm
This is not the best source but copper depletion is really problem with high vitamin C doses - but not in a good way because it destroys ceruloplasmin - copper binding protein and free unbound copper is toxic and can accumulate in organs and brain causing damage. We need enough ceruloplasmin if we want to reduce copper in the organs, in the brain and vitamin C chelates only available copper.
http://nsft.sbmu.ac.ir/browse.php?a_id=11&slc_lang=en&sid=1&printcase=1&hbnr=1&hmb=1
"Conclusion: Ascorbic acid intake caused a reduction depended on dose in ceruloplasmin enzyme activity, therefore with the present data vitamin supplementation at 500 and 1000 mg/day dose cannot be recommended and further studies are needed in this regard."
https://acu-cell.com/vitc.html
...while an excessive intake or overdose of Vitamin C has the potential of eventually causing zinc, copper, or calcium deficiencies in prone individuals."
In another chronic copper deficiency / Vitamin C overdose example, a young boy was brought into Dr. Ronald Roth's office to investigate the reason why his leg bones were soft and becoming increasingly malformed. It turned out that his father was giving him 2,000 mg of Vitamin C per day from an early age, which resulted in a severe, long-term copper deficiency. Reducing his ascorbic acid intake to more reasonable levels corrected the condition. 100 mg - 250 mg of Vitamin C is sufficient for most young children to meet basic requirements.
Vitamin C lowers Zinc directly, and it lowers it indirectly by supporting Iron absorption, so while a higher intake of ascorbic acid would likely benefit those suffering from some forms of anemia, leukemia, left-sided ovarian cysts, or from prostatitis, the same higher Vitamin C intake would worsen certain liver conditions (hemochromatosis), benign prostatic hypertrophy, or more serious kidney diseases (renal failure).
Larger amounts of Vitamin C lower Manganese levels and aid greater insulin production in those capable of producing insulin, which may be beneficial for Type II diabetics, but it would worsen those with hypoglycemic tendencies that exhibit low sodium, since sodium slows insulin response, so a very high intake of Vitamin C would create larger insulin spikes. By lowering manganese, very high doses of Vitamin C also affect (lower) glycogen stores in the liver.
Manganese has some control over the liver's ability to break down estrogen, so too much Vitamin C can affect the length of the menstrual cycle and worsen low estrogenic-types of PMS. On the other hand, congestive liver disease, resulting in higher estrogen levels, will benefit from higher doses of Vitamin C by reducing the symptoms of high estrogenic-types of PMS, while at the same time reducing the risk to develop estrogen sensitive (estrogen receptor-positive) types of cancer or fibroid tumors that may develop as a result of a lifelong higher mean average level of estrogen.
Calcium metabolism is much affected by Vitamin C intake. Patients who suffer from calcium overload benefit from supplementing larger daily amounts of Vitamin C because they prevent calcium from calcifying soft tissue. Low stomach acid levels are also a common side effect of elevated calcium, for which a higher Vitamin C intake is beneficial as well. While the right amount of ascorbic acid increases bioavailability of calcium, very high intake of Vitamin C, if not needed, will eventually put extra demands on calcium stores (bone) and result in calcium deficiency, which can lead to osteopenia, or eventually osteoporosis.
Yellow pineapple can be high in carotenoids and lutein:
http://www.scielo.br/pdf/rbf/v38n3/0100-2945-rbf-38-3-e-146.pdf
The cultivar presenting the highest carotenoid
contents was Gomo-de Mel (Figure 1), which
also showed greater yellow color values. Among
carotenoids, α-carotene showed the highest
concentration, and its concentration was higher
in fruits of Gomo-de-Mel cultivar, followed by
Imperial cultivar. These two cultivars also showed
high cryptoxanthin concentrations, with values
greater than twice that found in other cultivars.
The lutein concentration was also high in these
two cultivars.
thank you Tim, Bludicka and Tropico!
I keep thinking of my grandmother's diet and wonder where the vitamin C was in it. It doesn't seem like much was there! Although I do remember her saying that her mother would give pineapple to them when sick. They always had home-made apple sauce on the table, every night, as a condiment it appears. I've poked around trying to get a measure on that it it does look like it probably had some. The stewed prunes maybe not. Their kraut probably had some.
I've had a bottle of cheap vitie C on the counter since I began this journey 6 weeks ago, and still haven't gotten myself to take any.
Funniest thing I read on this subject: "When life gives you scurvy-- Make lemonade!"
I will say that I've been hankering for cherries, which are IN right now...I've been eating a little bit each day. I also bought some organic grape juice that has has added vitamin C.
One thing that Garrett Smith has noticed both with himself and with his clients is that as they detox from VA, their need for vitamins decreases. He was talking more specifically about B vitamins but I wonder if this also applies to vit c. It seems that being toxic increases a persons need for vitamins.
Maybe this is why your grandmother enjoyed good health on a low VA diet with relatively small amounts of vit C @lil-chick
Another quality Vitamin C product is NSF Certified (National Sanitation Foundation) Thorne Research, Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C). I usually order it through iherb.com or pureformulas.com. It runs around $40 for 250 capsules. Also, cauliflower, strawberries and pineapple are all high in Vitamin C and low in Vitamin A.
Quote from tim on July 5, 2019, 6:55 pmCommercially produced ascorbic acid is a blend of true Vitamin C (L-enantiomer) and false Vitamin C (D-enantiomer). My understanding is that the D-enantiomer does not occur in nature (although I could be wrong). It doesn't make sense to me that health motivated people think that long term supplementation of Chinese factory produced ascorbic acid is a good idea. It isn't natural to ingest large amounts of ascorbic acid and from what I've read ingesting anything over about 200mg in a day doesn't do much for blood levels anyway. IV Vitamin C is a different story and perhaps IV Vitamin C would be helpful for severe Hypervitaminosis A symptoms.
Potatoes, lemon juice (I like lemon and honey drinks), strawberries and fresh pineapple are all reliable low VA sources of Vitamin C.
I may be incorrect about the D-enantiomer always being present in synthetic ascorbic acid. Hard to get clear info on it.
Pineapple juice, canned, unsweetened, without added ascorbic acid, 1 cup (250 grams):
Vitamin A 12.5 IU
Vitamin C 25.0 mg
I think sometimes Vitamin A is higher than that though.
My choice of source of Vitamin C right now (along with potatoes) is Pineapple Juice with added Vitamin C so it will contain a blend of natural and synthetic Vitamin C.
A large portion of our Vitamin C needs appear to be for the enzymatic genesis of hydroxyproline, hydroxylysine and carnitine. Gelatine supplies hydroxyproline and hydroxylysine directly. Meat supplies carnitine directly. Both meat and gelatin consumption must therefore reduce our Vitamin C requirements significantly.
Quote from tim on July 9, 2019, 8:21 amA large portion of our Vitamin C needs appear to be for the enzymatic genesis of hydroxyproline, hydroxylysine and carnitine. Gelatine supplies hydroxyproline and hydroxylysine directly. Meat supplies carnitine directly. Both meat and gelatin consumption must therefore reduce our Vitamin C requirements significantly.
God that makes a ton of sense. That is why those meat juices need to be taken, along with the meat! And they taste great.