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romaine on January 10, 2020, 8:09 pm
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lil chick on January 10, 2020, 7:16 am
I didn't know pork was high in thiamine. Pork items are popular at breakfast here...
Pork is a horrible food to eat. Of all the farm animals, pigs are most similar to humans and extremely intelligent. That aside, pork fat is extremely unhealthy.
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lil chick on January 10, 2020, 7:16 am
I didn't know pork was high in thiamine. Pork items are popular at breakfast here...
Pork is a horrible food to eat. Of all the farm animals, pigs are most similar to humans and extremely intelligent. That aside, pork fat is extremely unhealthy.
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Judy on January 10, 2020, 8:19 pm
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tim on January 9, 2020, 9:32 pm
Yeah pork is a great source of thiamine but do most people want to eat it every day? I guess white rice eating Chinese eat a lot of it. Billions of people eat legumes every day and legumes are important for folate and molybdenum as well so I'm inclined to think they are a better source.
A lot of people eat bacon every day. Probably more than the ones who drink beer
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tim on January 9, 2020, 9:32 pm
Yeah pork is a great source of thiamine but do most people want to eat it every day? I guess white rice eating Chinese eat a lot of it. Billions of people eat legumes every day and legumes are important for folate and molybdenum as well so I'm inclined to think they are a better source.
A lot of people eat bacon every day. Probably more than the ones who drink beer
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romaine on January 10, 2020, 8:28 pm
There are many articles on how smart pigs are. Some put pigs at the FIFTH smartest animal Here is an article that points out the intelligence and also negatives of that intelligence that echo that of humans. https://modernfarmer.com/2014/03/pigheaded-smart-swine/. Most meat sold in the US is from factory farming. At the very least, if one is to consume pork, please source it responsibly. Pigs are often considered smarter than dogs. Consider keeping dogs in a very small confined area for all their life. Sickening.
I think it is very important to treat the animals we use and eat with respect. Pigs seem to get some of the worst of the treatment of factory farms.
Like I said before, I believe pork to be extremely unhealthy also. The old testament wasn't a big fan either for you trad people.
There are many articles on how smart pigs are. Some put pigs at the FIFTH smartest animal Here is an article that points out the intelligence and also negatives of that intelligence that echo that of humans. https://modernfarmer.com/2014/03/pigheaded-smart-swine/. Most meat sold in the US is from factory farming. At the very least, if one is to consume pork, please source it responsibly. Pigs are often considered smarter than dogs. Consider keeping dogs in a very small confined area for all their life. Sickening.
I think it is very important to treat the animals we use and eat with respect. Pigs seem to get some of the worst of the treatment of factory farms.
Like I said before, I believe pork to be extremely unhealthy also. The old testament wasn't a big fan either for you trad people.
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Judy on January 10, 2020, 8:33 pm
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romaine on January 10, 2020, 8:09 pm
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lil chick on January 10, 2020, 7:16 am
I didn't know pork was high in thiamine. Pork items are popular at breakfast here...
Pork is a horrible food to eat. Of all the farm animals, pigs are most similar to humans and extremely intelligent. That aside, pork fat is extremely unhealthy.
Pork has gotten a bad rap for a long time. It was the staple food for our American ancestors. It was also a staple food for the Chinese, who had probably the most successful civilization in the world. It was only the countries in the Middle East who vilified it. Lard is mostly monounsaturated fat, like olive oil, so beef and lamb may be slightly better because their fats are more stable. Jennifer McLagan, author of the Award winning book, "Fat," calls it the King of Fats.
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romaine on January 10, 2020, 8:09 pm
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lil chick on January 10, 2020, 7:16 am
I didn't know pork was high in thiamine. Pork items are popular at breakfast here...
Pork is a horrible food to eat. Of all the farm animals, pigs are most similar to humans and extremely intelligent. That aside, pork fat is extremely unhealthy.
Pork has gotten a bad rap for a long time. It was the staple food for our American ancestors. It was also a staple food for the Chinese, who had probably the most successful civilization in the world. It was only the countries in the Middle East who vilified it. Lard is mostly monounsaturated fat, like olive oil, so beef and lamb may be slightly better because their fats are more stable. Jennifer McLagan, author of the Award winning book, "Fat," calls it the King of Fats.
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romaine on January 10, 2020, 8:09 pm
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lil chick on January 10, 2020, 7:16 am
I didn't know pork was high in thiamine. Pork items are popular at breakfast here...
Pork is a horrible food to eat. Of all the farm animals, pigs are most similar to humans and extremely intelligent. That aside, pork fat is extremely unhealthy.
Hey romaine - yeah, pork fat hits me differently than beef, lamb, duck does. Decades back I felt hammered, fatigued, sluggish, after eating pork loin and avoided pork for many years. Bacon always has a way of creeping back into my diet, not much but often enough, and then I stop buying it for long spells. This link comes with a disclaimer that as one reader commented on another site - "Once Seen, Can't Be Unseen". It's a pretty fascinating tour and might explain ancient aversions to eating pigs.
http://www.macroevolution.net/human-origins.html
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romaine on January 10, 2020, 8:09 pm
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lil chick on January 10, 2020, 7:16 am
I didn't know pork was high in thiamine. Pork items are popular at breakfast here...
Pork is a horrible food to eat. Of all the farm animals, pigs are most similar to humans and extremely intelligent. That aside, pork fat is extremely unhealthy.
Hey romaine - yeah, pork fat hits me differently than beef, lamb, duck does. Decades back I felt hammered, fatigued, sluggish, after eating pork loin and avoided pork for many years. Bacon always has a way of creeping back into my diet, not much but often enough, and then I stop buying it for long spells. This link comes with a disclaimer that as one reader commented on another site - "Once Seen, Can't Be Unseen". It's a pretty fascinating tour and might explain ancient aversions to eating pigs.
http://www.macroevolution.net/human-origins.html
@romaine - my wife knows most of the Nieman Ranch people and has been on the farms that don't confine or tail-dock and has had the opportunity to see pigs au natural and playful. You are absolutely right about conventional pork production and it is horrible to view the insane confinement of sows and their young. Progress in Animal Welfare is and has been a very slow march to the tune of a different drummer, but successes are very common these days. While the whole ship will likely never be turned, there's whole flotillas of independent-minded farmers that see the iceberg ahead and have made the sacrifice to change their own directions, which ends up helping them in ways that go far beyond economics. If we can ever get to the point where we can stop slaughtering animals, it could help change society in numerous ways. Did you ever hear about this guy?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcellin_Berthelot
@romaine - my wife knows most of the Nieman Ranch people and has been on the farms that don't confine or tail-dock and has had the opportunity to see pigs au natural and playful. You are absolutely right about conventional pork production and it is horrible to view the insane confinement of sows and their young. Progress in Animal Welfare is and has been a very slow march to the tune of a different drummer, but successes are very common these days. While the whole ship will likely never be turned, there's whole flotillas of independent-minded farmers that see the iceberg ahead and have made the sacrifice to change their own directions, which ends up helping them in ways that go far beyond economics. If we can ever get to the point where we can stop slaughtering animals, it could help change society in numerous ways. Did you ever hear about this guy?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcellin_Berthelot
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@Judy - Happy New Year! Many days I wish I lived during the Pleistocene era, when there may have been a more natural balance between humans and their environment. This settled-agriculture system we have is an advanced form of slavery and ultimately supports all the rest of the crazy on the planet; from war to uber-materialism, from cars and airplanes capturing us in useless motion, to a technocracy that has no wisdom. Everything's a compromise these days, since we're not going back to a hunter culture. There don't seem to be any really good answers to all of this, especially regarding the animals we eat. Every ounce of their protein and fat is needed to keep the show on the road. Things might be different if we had been I suppose. Have you ever watched the HBO movie on Temple Grandin, where she's played by Claire Danes?
@Judy - Happy New Year! Many days I wish I lived during the Pleistocene era, when there may have been a more natural balance between humans and their environment. This settled-agriculture system we have is an advanced form of slavery and ultimately supports all the rest of the crazy on the planet; from war to uber-materialism, from cars and airplanes capturing us in useless motion, to a technocracy that has no wisdom. Everything's a compromise these days, since we're not going back to a hunter culture. There don't seem to be any really good answers to all of this, especially regarding the animals we eat. Every ounce of their protein and fat is needed to keep the show on the road. Things might be different if we had been I suppose. Have you ever watched the HBO movie on Temple Grandin, where she's played by Claire Danes?
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Judy on January 11, 2020, 10:12 am
I haven't seen the movie, but I have read about her.
I haven't seen the movie, but I have read about her.
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romaine on January 11, 2020, 4:12 pm
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Judy on January 10, 2020, 8:33 pm
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lil chick on January 10, 2020, 7:16 am
I didn't know pork was high in thiamine. Pork items are popular at breakfast here...
Pork is a horrible food to eat. Of all the farm animals, pigs are most similar to humans and extremely intelligent. That aside, pork fat is extremely unhealthy.
Pork has gotten a bad rap for a long time. It was the staple food for our American ancestors. It was also a staple food for the Chinese, who had probably the most successful civilization in the world. It was only the countries in the Middle East who vilified it. Lard is mostly monounsaturated fat, like olive oil, so beef and lamb may be slightly better because their fats are more stable. Jennifer McLagan, author of the Award winning book, "Fat," calls it the King of Fats.
It is hard to tease out all the factors and how they interact to affect health so a people that eat pork doesn't mean that it is healthy for them. On the flip side of those that feel their pork consumption is good, there are peoples that consume pork fat daily and have health problems- same thing though I guess, it is hard to tease out what is really going on. I hear of people like Matt Stone and now hillcountry that say that when they eat pork they get immediate negative effects. Those people seem to be canaries in the coal mine for pork consumption. G. Smith has written articles on his site about why he believes pork to be so unhealthy which I 100% believe. In addition to lard factor, when I think about an animal very similar in physiology to humans it really makes me think that it can't be good to consume them. I have a love and respect for all aimals and if I thought being a vegetarian was as healthy as being an omnivore, I would be one but I know that eating animals are necessary but don't think pigs should be one of them.
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Judy on January 10, 2020, 8:33 pm
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romaine on January 10, 2020, 8:09 pm
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lil chick on January 10, 2020, 7:16 am
I didn't know pork was high in thiamine. Pork items are popular at breakfast here...
Pork is a horrible food to eat. Of all the farm animals, pigs are most similar to humans and extremely intelligent. That aside, pork fat is extremely unhealthy.
Pork has gotten a bad rap for a long time. It was the staple food for our American ancestors. It was also a staple food for the Chinese, who had probably the most successful civilization in the world. It was only the countries in the Middle East who vilified it. Lard is mostly monounsaturated fat, like olive oil, so beef and lamb may be slightly better because their fats are more stable. Jennifer McLagan, author of the Award winning book, "Fat," calls it the King of Fats.
It is hard to tease out all the factors and how they interact to affect health so a people that eat pork doesn't mean that it is healthy for them. On the flip side of those that feel their pork consumption is good, there are peoples that consume pork fat daily and have health problems- same thing though I guess, it is hard to tease out what is really going on. I hear of people like Matt Stone and now hillcountry that say that when they eat pork they get immediate negative effects. Those people seem to be canaries in the coal mine for pork consumption. G. Smith has written articles on his site about why he believes pork to be so unhealthy which I 100% believe. In addition to lard factor, when I think about an animal very similar in physiology to humans it really makes me think that it can't be good to consume them. I have a love and respect for all aimals and if I thought being a vegetarian was as healthy as being an omnivore, I would be one but I know that eating animals are necessary but don't think pigs should be one of them.
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romaine on January 11, 2020, 4:42 pm
I tried to look up how much meat the Chinese historically ate. I didn't search much and don't know how much meat they ate for most of their history but I found that in 1980 they ate on average 30 pounds of meat a year. That works out to be 1.33 ounces of meat a day and not all of that would have been pork but also beef and chicken and probably other. That doesn't sound like much and the other things the Chinese used to do probably helped them alot with the lard factor they were consuming.
I tried to look up how much meat the Chinese historically ate. I didn't search much and don't know how much meat they ate for most of their history but I found that in 1980 they ate on average 30 pounds of meat a year. That works out to be 1.33 ounces of meat a day and not all of that would have been pork but also beef and chicken and probably other. That doesn't sound like much and the other things the Chinese used to do probably helped them alot with the lard factor they were consuming.
