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@romaine - glad you found that guy's hypothesis as interesting as I did. I'm having fun reading this thread. It's nice to have such a venue to openly share our views and discoveries. Thanks Grant!! The hypothesis sure puts a new light on things. I wonder if it can ever overcome the reluctance to study it. I like what @Tim said about an advanced species developing a drink with all necessary macros and nutrients. I ruined a blender once, but I'm saving that story, ha!
@lil-chick, I never claimed pigs were saints and pointed out in another article that they share some negative aspects of humans like being deceitful. That is a good point about similar animals eating each other that is why I said that for ME it isn't good. I actually buy deli ham for my husband's sandwhiches. I won't cook it though. I also think that humans are decidely different than other animals and can consider other aspects of our diet than just nutrition. Would a pig eat a human without feeling bad about it. I'm sure they wouldn't hestitate to eat us and have no qualms. I don't see any evidence of pigs have a more healthy unique nutrition profile than what could be gotten from other animals and feel they aren't necessary in a diet. You don't seem to think lard is unhealthy because you have old relatives that lived along time - that's fine. There are also people who have lived into their 90s consuming more alcohol than is recommended too.
One of my points is if your ancestors ate it, there might be something about it that you need, and experimenting away from it might lead to trouble. Trouble that is hard to see in advance that will lead to suffering.
I think that is what Price saw (but didn't realize)... he saw people experimenting away from lard (to veg oils) and saw a decline in the health of his clients.
After years of experimenting with my diet, I've decided it's a pretty harsh game: experimenting.
I probably have gone around saying bad things about foods like legumes, and scared people away from an important food. I'm a bit afraid to bad-talk foods now.
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It is probably true that we may live more like kings than paupers now. We can pick and choose based on which animal we think is cute. Or because we like the color blue or any whim we want. But actually kings and pharoahs etc had pretty horrible health haha when it comes down to it.
I think goats are cute, but if I was middle-eastern maybe it would be a wrong idea for me to not eat goat.
Quote from romaine on January 13, 2020, 10:51 am... There are also people who have lived into their 90s consuming more alcohol than is recommended too.
This is an interesting point and harkens back to the topic of small beer.
I have loads of friends and relatives who drink a lot and I do wonder about whether there is a connection to their desire to drink and the VA they are trying to cope with. I wonder if the beer belly is the place the VA goes when all of the alcohol sends VA packing out of the liver. And are the drinkers better off, than their teetotaler friend with a toxic liver?
Of course, sometimes the alcohol itself toasts the liver.
Personally, I find that when I try to live in the moment, and eat and drink what makes my mouth water, I end up with a little alcohol in my diet.
Some cultures took no alcohol, and their progeny should probably not either.
I was reading this article on trad food of the Poles, and this quote (about small beer) was there. (what an interesting and somewhat scary article!)
https://culture.pl/en/article/polish-peasant-food-for-beginners
"...shares a recipe for a refreshing drink from rye malt with a little beer yeast ‘for labourers and harvesters, which does not cost much and can be made anytime.’
This drink, pleasant in taste, is a true blessing for people working in the field, as they cannot leave their job and thus are forced to drink water warmed by the sunlight, and even worse, cloudy and rotten; also drinking cold water in hot weather is in itself bad for one’s health, when one’s body is hot. I recommend you to afford this little pleasure to peasants working for your benefit."
@lil-chick. The main reason why I don't eat pork is because of their intelligence. Makes me very sad to think of such a smart animal in captivity. I ate pork until I found more about them in my 20s. Most people don't care how intelligent they are. I'm clearly in the minority. None of my relatives care about the intelligence of pigs though my brother doesn't eat them because he is a vegan. They are cute but that isn' why I don't eat them. I don't think my reason is frivilous like the kings you compared me too. And I stand by my assertion that lard is extremely unhealthy. It is full of lard factor, aka, retinoids which are toxins. But agree to disagree. I believe I heard that when asians come to america and still eat the same thing they did back in their homeland that they wound up with the same diseases as us. I guess I need to live in Europe since that is where my most recent ancestors came from and try to figure out exactly what they ate to be healthy. Anyway, could be polution or lack of activity I guess too why they got those diseases but eating like your ancestors isn't going to ensure anything. I know you'll say it is part of the puzzle and to a certain extent I believe that but I don't think you need to eat exactly the same as them and when it comes to pigs? No, the main reason why they are unique compared to other farm animals is their retinoid levels are much higher. Best to cut pork out if health is your number one goal.
I think my recent ancestors ate alot of bread. When I eat wheat I get diarrhea and rashes. I have celiacs. What now? I guess I'm doomed because I can't eat what my predecessors ate?
Yes unfortunately, I believe being not able to eat the food of your ancestors puts you in a very bad position! Hopefully being lowered VA will allow you to eventually add back wheat.
Wheat is another food that people talk bad of ! How on God's good earth did we get here? And dairy! It gets tiresome.
Being kind isn't frivolous. I love that you are kind. You just shouldn't experiment with your health.
I thought I had a great idea, raising chickens ethically and responsibly for the eggs. In touch with the dirt and the sky! Eating bugs! Free-range proteins, fats, vitamins. Now I'm poisoned and so are my cats and kids and husband. I probably will now die a painful, early death. Not only that, I worked my ass off and gave up freedom, and etc.
Literally, I should have just adopted the menu my grandmother handed to me.
What I'm telling you is what my long road of food experimentation ended in disaster. YMMV