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Smoking and vA
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tim on September 12, 2020, 2:59 am
@joshz
Interesting!
Yep, emesis is the most effective way of detoxing the body. I would quite like to try a "tobacco tea" but I'd be a bit nervous since I think it can kill if it's too strong?
@tar
Nicotine or other components of tobacco smoke? It's the other components that deplete vA.
@joshz
Interesting!
Yep, emesis is the most effective way of detoxing the body. I would quite like to try a "tobacco tea" but I'd be a bit nervous since I think it can kill if it's too strong?
@tar
Nicotine or other components of tobacco smoke? It's the other components that deplete vA.
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tar on September 12, 2020, 7:53 am
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tim on September 12, 2020, 2:59 am
@joshz
Interesting!
Yep, emesis is the most effective way of detoxing the body. I would quite like to try a "tobacco tea" but I'd be a bit nervous since I think it can kill if it's too strong?
@tar
Nicotine or other components of tobacco smoke? It's the other components that deplete vA.
Nicotine patches and gum worked just as well. Cigars are much stronger in their effect then the patches probably because of these other components
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tim on September 12, 2020, 2:59 am
@joshz
Interesting!
Yep, emesis is the most effective way of detoxing the body. I would quite like to try a "tobacco tea" but I'd be a bit nervous since I think it can kill if it's too strong?
@tar
Nicotine or other components of tobacco smoke? It's the other components that deplete vA.
Nicotine patches and gum worked just as well. Cigars are much stronger in their effect then the patches probably because of these other components
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joshz on September 13, 2020, 1:06 pm
@tim-2
yeah it can be fatal if not done correctly and by an initiated Tobaquero shaman. Where are you located? If your ever in the US let me know. But there are others in the lineage who live in different countries around the world.
@tim-2
yeah it can be fatal if not done correctly and by an initiated Tobaquero shaman. Where are you located? If your ever in the US let me know. But there are others in the lineage who live in different countries around the world.
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tim on September 14, 2020, 5:42 am
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joshz on September 13, 2020, 1:06 pm
@tim-2
yeah it can be fatal if not done correctly and by an initiated Tobaquero shaman. Where are you located? If your ever in the US let me know. But there are others in the lineage who live in different countries around the world.
Brisbane, Australia. Ok will do!
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joshz on September 13, 2020, 1:06 pm
@tim-2
yeah it can be fatal if not done correctly and by an initiated Tobaquero shaman. Where are you located? If your ever in the US let me know. But there are others in the lineage who live in different countries around the world.
Brisbane, Australia. Ok will do!
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Даниил on June 14, 2021, 3:41 pm
But smoking increases the risk of autoimmune diseases.
But smoking increases the risk of autoimmune diseases.
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Emma on January 6, 2022, 2:20 pm
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tim on August 27, 2020, 6:17 am
@lil-chick
Cigarettes, alcohol, coffee, they all deplete vA. The more you know the more you realize you don't know aye... lol. Smoking is probably the most effective way of depleting vA quickly... and there is actual evidence for it as opposed to strategies like eating loads of beans.
They say alcohol with a meal isn't great because alcohol inhibits thiamine absorption but you know ethanol is the main antidote used to treat methanol poisoning... so perhaps it serves as a way to ameliorate the effects of a meal containing pectin?
Hey @tim I know this is an old thread so ideas may have evolved but I'm wondering about the alcohol thing. I've heard it said many times in the VA circle that alcohol slows down VA depletion. Can you explain a bit more of the mechanism of how it may help with lowering A?
In other news I started smoking a pipe with pure organic tobacco two months ago before learning about VA. (typically you're not meant to inhale with a pipe either, like a cigar, but obv there would be some inhalation that is unavoidable, and now I smoke via a water pipe which cools and filters the smoke, meant to be the healthiest way to get the smoke fix ) I've sprouted my own seeds so I can grow my own leaves so will see how that goes. It affected me pretty intensely and no wonder I'm probably 98% VA at this point lol.
It is somewhat concerning the health of chain smoking rats but as far as I'm aware it would be quite the feat to smoke the equivalent of what they were smoking so perhaps with a lower dose so to speak it would be a somewhat gentler and longer term process?
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tim on August 27, 2020, 6:17 am
@lil-chick
Cigarettes, alcohol, coffee, they all deplete vA. The more you know the more you realize you don't know aye... lol. Smoking is probably the most effective way of depleting vA quickly... and there is actual evidence for it as opposed to strategies like eating loads of beans.
They say alcohol with a meal isn't great because alcohol inhibits thiamine absorption but you know ethanol is the main antidote used to treat methanol poisoning... so perhaps it serves as a way to ameliorate the effects of a meal containing pectin?
Hey @tim I know this is an old thread so ideas may have evolved but I'm wondering about the alcohol thing. I've heard it said many times in the VA circle that alcohol slows down VA depletion. Can you explain a bit more of the mechanism of how it may help with lowering A?
In other news I started smoking a pipe with pure organic tobacco two months ago before learning about VA. (typically you're not meant to inhale with a pipe either, like a cigar, but obv there would be some inhalation that is unavoidable, and now I smoke via a water pipe which cools and filters the smoke, meant to be the healthiest way to get the smoke fix ) I've sprouted my own seeds so I can grow my own leaves so will see how that goes. It affected me pretty intensely and no wonder I'm probably 98% VA at this point lol.
It is somewhat concerning the health of chain smoking rats but as far as I'm aware it would be quite the feat to smoke the equivalent of what they were smoking so perhaps with a lower dose so to speak it would be a somewhat gentler and longer term process?
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Orion on January 6, 2022, 2:57 pm
Tagging Tim with his proper userid @tim-2, to see the above.
Tagging Tim with his proper userid @tim-2, to see the above.
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tim on January 18, 2022, 10:31 am
Hi @emma,
Ethanol and caffeine both inhibit the enzymatic conversion of retinol into retinoic acid. Through this mechanism they slow down vitamin A depletion but crucially they reduce circulating levels of retinoic acid. Elevated levels of retinoic acid are the cause of most symptoms of Hypervitaminosis A. If someone has Hypervitaminosis A it's better to reduce retinoic acid levels than try to hurry the liver depletion process.
Yeah every time I talk about this I must also say I'm not promoting smoking. Smoking definitely has harmful aspects to it even if the level of concern around it is unjustified. I only ever smoke at most about 2 cigarettes in a day and many days don't smoke at all. This is the first time in history since humans discovered fire that we haven't been exposed to smoke daily.
If someone wishes to avoid smoking but wants to reduce symptoms of Hypervitaminosis A then perhaps ethanol and caffeine are better alternatives. I must mention fluoride here though. Black tea and iced tea should be minimized due to fluoride. Non organic wine is also a no no due to fluoride concentrations. I also don't buy much Australian beer due to fluoride contamination. I mostly drink German beer which is made with unfluoridated water. I use bottled spring water for drinking and for cooking, filtering water removes none of the fluoride. Fluoride causes high blood pressure, neurological problems, diabetes and more and in countries where water is fluoridated most food and beverages are contaminated with it. I'm going to do a video on it when I get around to it.
Hi @emma,
Ethanol and caffeine both inhibit the enzymatic conversion of retinol into retinoic acid. Through this mechanism they slow down vitamin A depletion but crucially they reduce circulating levels of retinoic acid. Elevated levels of retinoic acid are the cause of most symptoms of Hypervitaminosis A. If someone has Hypervitaminosis A it's better to reduce retinoic acid levels than try to hurry the liver depletion process.
Yeah every time I talk about this I must also say I'm not promoting smoking. Smoking definitely has harmful aspects to it even if the level of concern around it is unjustified. I only ever smoke at most about 2 cigarettes in a day and many days don't smoke at all. This is the first time in history since humans discovered fire that we haven't been exposed to smoke daily.
If someone wishes to avoid smoking but wants to reduce symptoms of Hypervitaminosis A then perhaps ethanol and caffeine are better alternatives. I must mention fluoride here though. Black tea and iced tea should be minimized due to fluoride. Non organic wine is also a no no due to fluoride concentrations. I also don't buy much Australian beer due to fluoride contamination. I mostly drink German beer which is made with unfluoridated water. I use bottled spring water for drinking and for cooking, filtering water removes none of the fluoride. Fluoride causes high blood pressure, neurological problems, diabetes and more and in countries where water is fluoridated most food and beverages are contaminated with it. I'm going to do a video on it when I get around to it.
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Emma on January 18, 2022, 2:24 pm
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tim on January 18, 2022, 10:31 am
Hi @emma,
Ethanol and caffeine both inhibit the enzymatic conversion of retinol into retinoic acid. Through this mechanism they slow down vitamin A depletion but crucially they reduce circulating levels of retinoic acid. Elevated levels of retinoic acid are the cause of most symptoms of Hypervitaminosis A. If someone has Hypervitaminosis A it's better to reduce retinoic acid levels than try to hurry the liver depletion process.
Yeah every time I talk about this I must also say I'm not promoting smoking. Smoking definitely has harmful aspects to it even if the level of concern around it is unjustified. I only ever smoke at most about 2 cigarettes in a day and many days don't smoke at all. This is the first time in history since humans discovered fire that we haven't been exposed to smoke daily.
If someone wishes to avoid smoking but wants to reduce symptoms of Hypervitaminosis A then perhaps ethanol and caffeine are better alternatives. I must mention fluoride here though. Black tea and iced tea should be minimized due to fluoride. Non organic wine is also a no no due to fluoride concentrations. I also don't buy much Australian beer due to fluoride contamination. I mostly drink German beer which is made with unfluoridated water. I use bottled spring water for drinking and for cooking, filtering water removes none of the fluoride. Fluoride causes high blood pressure, neurological problems, diabetes and more and in countries where water is fluoridated most food and beverages are contaminated with it. I'm going to do a video on it when I get around to it.
Kinda makes the party boy lifestyle sound not so bad after all lol...
Thanks heaps for all that thorough info looking forward to the vid
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tim on January 18, 2022, 10:31 am
Hi @emma,
Ethanol and caffeine both inhibit the enzymatic conversion of retinol into retinoic acid. Through this mechanism they slow down vitamin A depletion but crucially they reduce circulating levels of retinoic acid. Elevated levels of retinoic acid are the cause of most symptoms of Hypervitaminosis A. If someone has Hypervitaminosis A it's better to reduce retinoic acid levels than try to hurry the liver depletion process.
Yeah every time I talk about this I must also say I'm not promoting smoking. Smoking definitely has harmful aspects to it even if the level of concern around it is unjustified. I only ever smoke at most about 2 cigarettes in a day and many days don't smoke at all. This is the first time in history since humans discovered fire that we haven't been exposed to smoke daily.
If someone wishes to avoid smoking but wants to reduce symptoms of Hypervitaminosis A then perhaps ethanol and caffeine are better alternatives. I must mention fluoride here though. Black tea and iced tea should be minimized due to fluoride. Non organic wine is also a no no due to fluoride concentrations. I also don't buy much Australian beer due to fluoride contamination. I mostly drink German beer which is made with unfluoridated water. I use bottled spring water for drinking and for cooking, filtering water removes none of the fluoride. Fluoride causes high blood pressure, neurological problems, diabetes and more and in countries where water is fluoridated most food and beverages are contaminated with it. I'm going to do a video on it when I get around to it.
Kinda makes the party boy lifestyle sound not so bad after all lol...
Thanks heaps for all that thorough info looking forward to the vid
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