Quote from Liz on February 24, 2023, 9:57 am

I wouldn't take that rat study so serious. Karen Hurd heal people from everything and anything with beans and/or psyllium and has been doing so for 30 years. But she also stresses to eat a good amount of animal protein and minimum half a cup of veggies of choice with each meal, as the veggies have nutrients we need (she says). So if soluble fibre gives us liver cancer, a LOT of people will be getting sick from her protocol, (or would have already?) Also her baby daughter most likely would have died from the poisoning, from which psyllium healed her, instead of surviving death. Which is odd as those who had cancer pre-Hurd already has healed from it. To each their own of course, and time will always tell. But real food is always better than supplements. Supplements can potentially make us sicker. 

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Quote from wavygravygadzooks on February 23, 2023, 12:25 pm

Interesting find @alexm

That paper by Singh also found that soluble fiber induced cholestasis in test mice!

I don't know if this actually applies to humans, but if it does it vindicates my bashing of soluble fiber, and fiber in general.  It never made sense to me that you'd want to slow intestinal transit with soluble fibers, most of which are also readily fermentable and therefore generate unwanted byproducts and contribute to bacterial overgrowth and dysbiosis.  If any fiber made sense, it was insoluble fibers that have been shown to speed colon transit time.  I talked about using lignin or coconut, although lignin-containing foods (e.g. tubers) and coconut contain other fermentable substrates (like sorbitol in coconut).  Microcrystalline cellulose powder might be a supplement to experiment with...I've tried it a few times but don't have many comments to make thus far, aside from the fact that it seems to constipate me like every other fiber I've tried.

Be careful with microcrystalline cellulose. When I was researching psoriasis a doctor named Haines Ely believed it was caused by a bowel disease and he said carboxymethylcellulose causes endotoxin absorption, I looked up if it's similar to microcrystalline cellulose and apparently the two are used interchangeably as emulsifiers and fat replacers in things like ice cream.

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Gallbladder Disease
Gallstones
First Things First
I need to state right away that if you are suffering from gallbladder disease, which includes “simple” discomfort to excruciating pain, as well as gallstones,
. Recovering from gallbladder disease, including the dissolving of many stones (including large stones) is not
impossible. I wish that every person and every doctor would read this article and apply it. Then gallbladder disease would be a thing of the past. I know that this is a very strong
statement to make, but my clinical experience bears me out, knowledge of bodily function, as well as just plain common sense.
What is a Gallbladder?
Sheltered by the liver that covers the gallbladder like a hood, the gallbladder is an organ that is a storage facility for bile. “Bladder” is the word for storage facility. “Gall” is the old-
fashioned word for bile. It literally means “bitter.” You will know this for certain if you have ever regurgitated bile. It is VERY bitter. The gallbladder stores this bile until it is needed for
the digestive process. Bile breaks down the fatty foods that you eat, preparing them for absorption through the intestinal wall. Your gallbladder is located just under your right rib cage
sheltered from harm by the strong bony cage of your ribs.
Bile Has More Than One Purpose
Bile is used in the digestion of the fats that we eat. Bile is also the vehicle that the liver uses to rid the body of fat-soluble waste. It is this second purpose that is critical to our
understanding of gallbladder disease.
Main Detoxification Organ
The liver is the most important detoxification organ that we have. The liver is responsible for filtering the blood, cleaning out all fat-soluble waste. Most people are not aware of this
function of the liver. Most people think that the kidneys alone are responsible for filtering blood. The kidneys do filter blood, but the kidneys only filter out water-soluble waste. The
kidneys are incapable of dealing with fats. It is the liver’s function to handle the fats. Interestingly enough, the preponderance of toxins are fat-soluble, not water-soluble, and in this
group of fat-soluble toxins there are many that are very nasty.
Nasty Toxins are Filtered from the Blood; Now What?
Once the liver has filtered these toxins and waste from the bloodstream, it is necessary to find a pathway out of the body for this “garbage.” The liver has no access to the urinary trac
so it cannot send its trash away through that system. However, the liver does make bile, and this bile goes to the gallbladder. The gallbladder stores the bile and then releases it at the
appropriate time into the duodenum (first part of the small intestine where most digestion takes place). If the bile can travel the length of the intestinal tract and be expelled from the
body in a bowel movement, then the liver will have been successful in ridding the body of those toxins and wastes that were placed in the bile.
The Recycling Catch
As bile is made out of fatty acids, it can be absorbed just as any other fat can be absorbed. And it is. The body absorbs fats from the ileum (the last part of the small intestine). Ninety t
ninety-five percent of the bile that a person produces is absorbed from the ileum. That means 90-95% of the fat-soluble waste will also be absorbed and returned to the bloodstream
The bile (in its constituent parts) will travel back to the liver. That means the waste that had been sent for elimination was . Therefore, the liver reuses this bil
trying once again to get the waste out of the body. But there is a catch: the liver continued to filter blood while that bile was on its merry way traveling the intestinal track. The liver ha
accumulated more toxins that have to be eliminated. So before sending the old bile back to the gall bladder, the liver will tuck in a few more toxins. If the bile recycles yet again, the
liver will have to squeeze in even more toxins. Are you beginning to see that the bile that recycles again and again becomes more and more toxic? After time, the bile becomes thicker
and extremely noxious. The bile becomes so thick that it actually begins to roll up into little balls. It starts as “grains of sand” and can roll into larger “stones.” Even if the bile never
there is an answer that does
not include surgery, medications, or ultrasonic blasting of stones
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forms stones, it becomes so thick that partial obstruction of the biliary ducts can occur. This blockage of the biliary ducts can cause discomfit and eventually excruciating pain.
Contractions of the Gallbladder
The gallbladder uses muscle contraction to propel the bile from the gallbladder out into the duodenum. The bile travels in little pathways that we call biliary ducts. If the gallbladder is
pushing the bile through these ducts and it meets resistance because the bile is more dense, discomfit and pain will result. Imagine the gallbladder pushing this digestive fluid through
tubes, but the fluid is not moving. That creates a back pressure which is not pleasant to experience. At first, when the bile is just “sludgy,” there will only be a feeling of discomfit in the
upper right quadrant—that is the area on the right side of the chest, just underneath the lower bones in the rib cage. As the biliary ducts become partially obstructed with stones, the
discomfort will intensify to pain. If the duct becomes even more obstructed, the pain can increase to levels that are unmanageable. A blocked biliary duct can be so painful that the
person will think that they are dying, or at least they may wish that they would die. These situations usually result in an emergency room visit which may or may not end with a
gallbladder removal, which will most probably not have been necessary. Gallstones, even the largest, can be dissolved simply, safely, and relatively quickly using common foods.
How Can We Dissolve Stones?
If we are able to have in the duodenum a substance that will bind with the bile, not allowing its reabsorption, we are on our way. Soluble fiber, being found in the highest concentration
in legumes, will bind with bile so tightly, that the bile will not be able to pass the intestinal barrier, and will not be carried back to the liver. Any bile that binds with soluble fiber will be
eliminated out of the body through a bowel movement. Soluble fiber is unable to cross the intestinal barrier. Any substance that is bound to this fiber will likewise be unable to cross
the intestinal barrier. Therefore, the liver will not receive back that bile from the gastro-intestinal tract. That means the liver will have to make brand-new bile. This new bile is not
loaded down with toxic trash from the last several months and years. It is clean and new. It is able to breakdown any old bile that has become thickened and hardened. As this new bil
goes to the gallbladder, it begins to clean up the deposits of old bile. Each time clean, new bile is passed through the gallbladder, more of the old bile is dissolved. Eventually, if we
keep up this process, all stones, gravel, and sandy deposits will be totally dissolved and flushed into the duodenum. There this old bile, as well as the new bile, will bind with the soluble
fiber. The bile will be carried out of the body. The liver will continue to make new bile that will keep the gallbladder clean and healthy.
Bile Can Dissolve Bile?
Absolutely. Oils and fats are some of our best cleansers. Fats break down fats. If we need to break down old bile deposits that have rolled into stones, it is a clean fat that will be able t
do the job. That is why it is absolutely necessary to compel the liver to make brand-new, fresh, clean bile. To do this we have to eliminate from the gastro-intestinal tract all the bile
that we can so that none will recycle back to the liver. This absence of recycled bile is what will force the liver to produce new bile.
A Side Benefit
As the gallbladder is being made healthy, your cholesterol and triglyceride levels will be decreasing. The liver makes bile out of the fats in your bloodstream, in other words cholestero
and triglycerides.
But What if I am in Pain Now?
First of all, stop eating any fatty foods. The fats in foods signal the gallbladder to release bile. The more fat you eat, the more bile will be released. If you have an obstructed or inflame
gallbladder, the peristalsis (smooth muscle contraction) will precipitate pain. Next, begin to eat legumes immediately if the pain begins. You will notice a lessening of the pain in just a
few minutes. The pain will dull and become more bearable. However, in a short time, even as short as 30 minutes, you may again feel the pain. Again, eat legumes. The pain will again
lessen. Basically, if you consume the legumes almost constantly, the pain will eventually go away. The bile that is getting into the duodenum is bound with the fiber. That stimulates
the liver to release new clean bile that will begin to work on the stones, gravel or sand that is blocking the biliary ducts. If you are in acute pain now, you will need to eat a total of 3 or
more cups of legumes spread out over 8-10 times in a day. There is no limit to the number of legumes you may eat, just a minimum intake (3 cups). As you continue to eat the
legumes, the pain will continue to lessen. Remember that it is small amounts of beans taken frequently that is important.
When Will the Stones be Dissolved?
In a several weeks (6-10 is the average, although it may be less or more—depending on each person’s individual situation), with a high consumption of legumes, the stones will be
dissolved. What is a high consumption of legumes? You must eat at least ½ cup of cooked legumes six times a day. Minimum intake is 3 cups. It is important that you spread the 3
cups out into the six ½ cup servings. We want to keep soluble fiber continually in the duodenum to bind with the bile as it is released from the gall bladder. Eating all three cups of
beans at one time will not meet this requirement.

 

 

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Legumes are what we normally term “soup beans” or “dry beans.” They are pinto beans, kidney beans, garbanzo beans, white beans, navy beans, black beans, lentils, split peas, and
black-eyed peas, to name just a few. Legumes are not green beans, wax beans, soy beans, or peanuts.
Do I Have to Eat Beans Cooked from the Dry?
You may certainly soak your beans and cook them for several hours if you desire, or you may simply purchase canned beans that are already fully cooked. Either way is acceptable.
An Illustration
Have you ever changed the oil in a car? What does the oil look like when you drain it out? It is black and gritty. When you put fresh new oil into the engine, what does it look like? It is
clear, smooth (no grit) and amber colored. As this new oil circulates through the engine, it picks up carbon and dirt. The oil is keeping the engine toxin-free so that it can run at
optimum capacity. If we allowed the same oil to continue to circulate through the engine for a long time—say years—what would eventually happen to the engine? It would lock-up. It
would cease to function. Everyone who deals with machinery knows the importance of changing the oil in an engine. It is the same with the human body. The bile is the oil. It is
responsible for carrying out waste. However, if we never change the oil, and the old oil continues to circulate over and over again, eventually that oil will lock up the engine. In this case
the engine is the gallbladder that becomes blocked with debris—the debris is the old bile or oil that is so nasty by now, that the gallbladder is no longer able to function properly. What
is the answer? Change the oil. The new oil (bile) will clean out all the old bile deposits and the gallbladder will be restored

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Gallbladder Disease
Gallstones
First Things First
I need to state right away that if you are suffering from gallbladder disease, which includes “simple” discomfort to excruciating pain, as well as gallstones,
. Recovering from gallbladder disease, including the dissolving of many stones (including large stones) is not
impossible. I wish that every person and every doctor would read this article and apply it. Then gallbladder disease would be a thing of the past. I know that this is a very strong
statement to make, but my clinical experience bears me out, knowledge of bodily function, as well as just plain common sense.
What is a Gallbladder?
Sheltered by the liver that covers the gallbladder like a hood, the gallbladder is an organ that is a storage facility for bile. “Bladder” is the word for storage facility. “Gall” is the old-
fashioned word for bile. It literally means “bitter.” You will know this for certain if you have ever regurgitated bile. It is VERY bitter. The gallbladder stores this bile until it is needed for
the digestive process. Bile breaks down the fatty foods that you eat, preparing them for absorption through the intestinal wall. Your gallbladder is located just under your right rib cage
sheltered from harm by the strong bony cage of your ribs.
Bile Has More Than One Purpose
Bile is used in the digestion of the fats that we eat. Bile is also the vehicle that the liver uses to rid the body of fat-soluble waste. It is this second purpose that is critical to our
understanding of gallbladder disease.
Main Detoxification Organ
The liver is the most important detoxification organ that we have. The liver is responsible for filtering the blood, cleaning out all fat-soluble waste. Most people are not aware of this
function of the liver. Most people think that the kidneys alone are responsible for filtering blood. The kidneys do filter blood, but the kidneys only filter out water-soluble waste. The
kidneys are incapable of dealing with fats. It is the liver’s function to handle the fats. Interestingly enough, the preponderance of toxins are fat-soluble, not water-soluble, and in this
group of fat-soluble toxins there are many that are very nasty.
Nasty Toxins are Filtered from the Blood; Now What?
Once the liver has filtered these toxins and waste from the bloodstream, it is necessary to find a pathway out of the body for this “garbage.” The liver has no access to the urinary trac
so it cannot send its trash away through that system. However, the liver does make bile, and this bile goes to the gallbladder. The gallbladder stores the bile and then releases it at the
appropriate time into the duodenum (first part of the small intestine where most digestion takes place). If the bile can travel the length of the intestinal tract and be expelled from the
body in a bowel movement, then the liver will have been successful in ridding the body of those toxins and wastes that were placed in the bile.
The Recycling Catch
As bile is made out of fatty acids, it can be absorbed just as any other fat can be absorbed. And it is. The body absorbs fats from the ileum (the last part of the small intestine). Ninety t
ninety-five percent of the bile that a person produces is absorbed from the ileum. That means 90-95% of the fat-soluble waste will also be absorbed and returned to the bloodstream
The bile (in its constituent parts) will travel back to the liver. That means the waste that had been sent for elimination was . Therefore, the liver reuses this bil
trying once again to get the waste out of the body. But there is a catch: the liver continued to filter blood while that bile was on its merry way traveling the intestinal track. The liver ha
accumulated more toxins that have to be eliminated. So before sending the old bile back to the gall bladder, the liver will tuck in a few more toxins. If the bile recycles yet again, the
liver will have to squeeze in even more toxins. Are you beginning to see that the bile that recycles again and again becomes more and more toxic? After time, the bile becomes thicker
and extremely noxious. The bile becomes so thick that it actually begins to roll up into little balls. It starts as “grains of sand” and can roll into larger “stones.” Even if the bile never
there is an answer that does
not include surgery, medications, or ultrasonic blasting of stones
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forms stones, it becomes so thick that partial obstruction of the biliary ducts can occur. This blockage of the biliary ducts can cause discomfit and eventually excruciating pain.
Contractions of the Gallbladder
The gallbladder uses muscle contraction to propel the bile from the gallbladder out into the duodenum. The bile travels in little pathways that we call biliary ducts. If the gallbladder is
pushing the bile through these ducts and it meets resistance because the bile is more dense, discomfit and pain will result. Imagine the gallbladder pushing this digestive fluid through
tubes, but the fluid is not moving. That creates a back pressure which is not pleasant to experience. At first, when the bile is just “sludgy,” there will only be a feeling of discomfit in the
upper right quadrant—that is the area on the right side of the chest, just underneath the lower bones in the rib cage. As the biliary ducts become partially obstructed with stones, the
discomfort will intensify to pain. If the duct becomes even more obstructed, the pain can increase to levels that are unmanageable. A blocked biliary duct can be so painful that the
person will think that they are dying, or at least they may wish that they would die. These situations usually result in an emergency room visit which may or may not end with a
gallbladder removal, which will most probably not have been necessary. Gallstones, even the largest, can be dissolved simply, safely, and relatively quickly using common foods.
How Can We Dissolve Stones?
If we are able to have in the duodenum a substance that will bind with the bile, not allowing its reabsorption, we are on our way. Soluble fiber, being found in the highest concentration
in legumes, will bind with bile so tightly, that the bile will not be able to pass the intestinal barrier, and will not be carried back to the liver. Any bile that binds with soluble fiber will be
eliminated out of the body through a bowel movement. Soluble fiber is unable to cross the intestinal barrier. Any substance that is bound to this fiber will likewise be unable to cross
the intestinal barrier. Therefore, the liver will not receive back that bile from the gastro-intestinal tract. That means the liver will have to make brand-new bile. This new bile is not
loaded down with toxic trash from the last several months and years. It is clean and new. It is able to breakdown any old bile that has become thickened and hardened. As this new bil
goes to the gallbladder, it begins to clean up the deposits of old bile. Each time clean, new bile is passed through the gallbladder, more of the old bile is dissolved. Eventually, if we
keep up this process, all stones, gravel, and sandy deposits will be totally dissolved and flushed into the duodenum. There this old bile, as well as the new bile, will bind with the soluble
fiber. The bile will be carried out of the body. The liver will continue to make new bile that will keep the gallbladder clean and healthy.
Bile Can Dissolve Bile?
Absolutely. Oils and fats are some of our best cleansers. Fats break down fats. If we need to break down old bile deposits that have rolled into stones, it is a clean fat that will be able t
do the job. That is why it is absolutely necessary to compel the liver to make brand-new, fresh, clean bile. To do this we have to eliminate from the gastro-intestinal tract all the bile
that we can so that none will recycle back to the liver. This absence of recycled bile is what will force the liver to produce new bile.
A Side Benefit
As the gallbladder is being made healthy, your cholesterol and triglyceride levels will be decreasing. The liver makes bile out of the fats in your bloodstream, in other words cholestero
and triglycerides.
But What if I am in Pain Now?
First of all, stop eating any fatty foods. The fats in foods signal the gallbladder to release bile. The more fat you eat, the more bile will be released. If you have an obstructed or inflame
gallbladder, the peristalsis (smooth muscle contraction) will precipitate pain. Next, begin to eat legumes immediately if the pain begins. You will notice a lessening of the pain in just a
few minutes. The pain will dull and become more bearable. However, in a short time, even as short as 30 minutes, you may again feel the pain. Again, eat legumes. The pain will again
lessen. Basically, if you consume the legumes almost constantly, the pain will eventually go away. The bile that is getting into the duodenum is bound with the fiber. That stimulates
the liver to release new clean bile that will begin to work on the stones, gravel or sand that is blocking the biliary ducts. If you are in acute pain now, you will need to eat a total of 3 or
more cups of legumes spread out over 8-10 times in a day. There is no limit to the number of legumes you may eat, just a minimum intake (3 cups). As you continue to eat the
legumes, the pain will continue to lessen. Remember that it is small amounts of beans taken frequently that is important.
When Will the Stones be Dissolved?
In a several weeks (6-10 is the average, although it may be less or more—depending on each person’s individual situation), with a high consumption of legumes, the stones will be
dissolved. What is a high consumption of legumes? You must eat at least ½ cup of cooked legumes six times a day. Minimum intake is 3 cups. It is important that you spread the 3
cups out into the six ½ cup servings. We want to keep soluble fiber continually in the duodenum to bind with the bile as it is released from the gall bladder. Eating all three cups of
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Legumes are what we normally term “soup beans” or “dry beans.” They are pinto beans, kidney beans, garbanzo beans, white beans, navy beans, black beans, lentils, split peas, and
black-eyed peas, to name just a few. Legumes are not green beans, wax beans, soy beans, or peanuts.
Do I Have to Eat Beans Cooked from the Dry?
You may certainly soak your beans and cook them for several hours if you desire, or you may simply purchase canned beans that are already fully cooked. Either way is acceptable.
An Illustration
Have you ever changed the oil in a car? What does the oil look like when you drain it out? It is black and gritty. When you put fresh new oil into the engine, what does it look like? It is
clear, smooth (no grit) and amber colored. As this new oil circulates through the engine, it picks up carbon and dirt. The oil is keeping the engine toxin-free so that it can run at
optimum capacity. If we allowed the same oil to continue to circulate through the engine for a long time—say years—what would eventually happen to the engine? It would lock-up. It
would cease to function. Everyone who deals with machinery knows the importance of changing the oil in an engine. It is the same with the human body. The bile is the oil. It is
responsible for carrying out waste. However, if we never change the oil, and the old oil continues to circulate over and over again, eventually that oil will lock up the engine. In this case
the engine is the gallbladder that becomes blocked with debris—the debris is the old bile or oil that is so nasty by now, that the gallbladder is no longer able to function properly. What
is the answer? Change the oil. The new oil (bile) will clean out all the old bile deposits and the gallbladder will be restored

sorry for this long quote guys, but that is how Karen Hurd thinks about gallbladder issues/stones.

I thought I am gonna try this, and see if the small tension I feel once in a while in my gallbladder, will go away completely.

I will report about it along the way if anything changes.

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Gallbladder Disease
Gallstones
First Things First
I need to state right away that if you are suffering from gallbladder disease, which includes “simple” discomfort to excruciating pain, as well as gallstones,
. Recovering from gallbladder disease, including the dissolving of many stones (including large stones) is not
impossible. I wish that every person and every doctor would read this article and apply it. Then gallbladder disease would be a thing of the past. I know that this is a very strong
statement to make, but my clinical experience bears me out, knowledge of bodily function, as well as just plain common sense.
What is a Gallbladder?
Sheltered by the liver that covers the gallbladder like a hood, the gallbladder is an organ that is a storage facility for bile. “Bladder” is the word for storage facility. “Gall” is the old-
fashioned word for bile. It literally means “bitter.” You will know this for certain if you have ever regurgitated bile. It is VERY bitter. The gallbladder stores this bile until it is needed for
the digestive process. Bile breaks down the fatty foods that you eat, preparing them for absorption through the intestinal wall. Your gallbladder is located just under your right rib cage
sheltered from harm by the strong bony cage of your ribs.
Bile Has More Than One Purpose
Bile is used in the digestion of the fats that we eat. Bile is also the vehicle that the liver uses to rid the body of fat-soluble waste. It is this second purpose that is critical to our
understanding of gallbladder disease.
Main Detoxification Organ
The liver is the most important detoxification organ that we have. The liver is responsible for filtering the blood, cleaning out all fat-soluble waste. Most people are not aware of this
function of the liver. Most people think that the kidneys alone are responsible for filtering blood. The kidneys do filter blood, but the kidneys only filter out water-soluble waste. The
kidneys are incapable of dealing with fats. It is the liver’s function to handle the fats. Interestingly enough, the preponderance of toxins are fat-soluble, not water-soluble, and in this
group of fat-soluble toxins there are many that are very nasty.
Nasty Toxins are Filtered from the Blood; Now What?
Once the liver has filtered these toxins and waste from the bloodstream, it is necessary to find a pathway out of the body for this “garbage.” The liver has no access to the urinary trac
so it cannot send its trash away through that system. However, the liver does make bile, and this bile goes to the gallbladder. The gallbladder stores the bile and then releases it at the
appropriate time into the duodenum (first part of the small intestine where most digestion takes place). If the bile can travel the length of the intestinal tract and be expelled from the
body in a bowel movement, then the liver will have been successful in ridding the body of those toxins and wastes that were placed in the bile.
The Recycling Catch
As bile is made out of fatty acids, it can be absorbed just as any other fat can be absorbed. And it is. The body absorbs fats from the ileum (the last part of the small intestine). Ninety t
ninety-five percent of the bile that a person produces is absorbed from the ileum. That means 90-95% of the fat-soluble waste will also be absorbed and returned to the bloodstream
The bile (in its constituent parts) will travel back to the liver. That means the waste that had been sent for elimination was . Therefore, the liver reuses this bil
trying once again to get the waste out of the body. But there is a catch: the liver continued to filter blood while that bile was on its merry way traveling the intestinal track. The liver ha
accumulated more toxins that have to be eliminated. So before sending the old bile back to the gall bladder, the liver will tuck in a few more toxins. If the bile recycles yet again, the
liver will have to squeeze in even more toxins. Are you beginning to see that the bile that recycles again and again becomes more and more toxic? After time, the bile becomes thicker
and extremely noxious. The bile becomes so thick that it actually begins to roll up into little balls. It starts as “grains of sand” and can roll into larger “stones.” Even if the bile never
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forms stones, it becomes so thick that partial obstruction of the biliary ducts can occur. This blockage of the biliary ducts can cause discomfit and eventually excruciating pain.
Contractions of the Gallbladder
The gallbladder uses muscle contraction to propel the bile from the gallbladder out into the duodenum. The bile travels in little pathways that we call biliary ducts. If the gallbladder is
pushing the bile through these ducts and it meets resistance because the bile is more dense, discomfit and pain will result. Imagine the gallbladder pushing this digestive fluid through
tubes, but the fluid is not moving. That creates a back pressure which is not pleasant to experience. At first, when the bile is just “sludgy,” there will only be a feeling of discomfit in the
upper right quadrant—that is the area on the right side of the chest, just underneath the lower bones in the rib cage. As the biliary ducts become partially obstructed with stones, the
discomfort will intensify to pain. If the duct becomes even more obstructed, the pain can increase to levels that are unmanageable. A blocked biliary duct can be so painful that the
person will think that they are dying, or at least they may wish that they would die. These situations usually result in an emergency room visit which may or may not end with a
gallbladder removal, which will most probably not have been necessary. Gallstones, even the largest, can be dissolved simply, safely, and relatively quickly using common foods.
How Can We Dissolve Stones?
If we are able to have in the duodenum a substance that will bind with the bile, not allowing its reabsorption, we are on our way. Soluble fiber, being found in the highest concentration
in legumes, will bind with bile so tightly, that the bile will not be able to pass the intestinal barrier, and will not be carried back to the liver. Any bile that binds with soluble fiber will be
eliminated out of the body through a bowel movement. Soluble fiber is unable to cross the intestinal barrier. Any substance that is bound to this fiber will likewise be unable to cross
the intestinal barrier. Therefore, the liver will not receive back that bile from the gastro-intestinal tract. That means the liver will have to make brand-new bile. This new bile is not
loaded down with toxic trash from the last several months and years. It is clean and new. It is able to breakdown any old bile that has become thickened and hardened. As this new bil
goes to the gallbladder, it begins to clean up the deposits of old bile. Each time clean, new bile is passed through the gallbladder, more of the old bile is dissolved. Eventually, if we
keep up this process, all stones, gravel, and sandy deposits will be totally dissolved and flushed into the duodenum. There this old bile, as well as the new bile, will bind with the soluble
fiber. The bile will be carried out of the body. The liver will continue to make new bile that will keep the gallbladder clean and healthy.
Bile Can Dissolve Bile?
Absolutely. Oils and fats are some of our best cleansers. Fats break down fats. If we need to break down old bile deposits that have rolled into stones, it is a clean fat that will be able t
do the job. That is why it is absolutely necessary to compel the liver to make brand-new, fresh, clean bile. To do this we have to eliminate from the gastro-intestinal tract all the bile
that we can so that none will recycle back to the liver. This absence of recycled bile is what will force the liver to produce new bile.
A Side Benefit
As the gallbladder is being made healthy, your cholesterol and triglyceride levels will be decreasing. The liver makes bile out of the fats in your bloodstream, in other words cholestero
and triglycerides.
But What if I am in Pain Now?
First of all, stop eating any fatty foods. The fats in foods signal the gallbladder to release bile. The more fat you eat, the more bile will be released. If you have an obstructed or inflame
gallbladder, the peristalsis (smooth muscle contraction) will precipitate pain. Next, begin to eat legumes immediately if the pain begins. You will notice a lessening of the pain in just a
few minutes. The pain will dull and become more bearable. However, in a short time, even as short as 30 minutes, you may again feel the pain. Again, eat legumes. The pain will again
lessen. Basically, if you consume the legumes almost constantly, the pain will eventually go away. The bile that is getting into the duodenum is bound with the fiber. That stimulates
the liver to release new clean bile that will begin to work on the stones, gravel or sand that is blocking the biliary ducts. If you are in acute pain now, you will need to eat a total of 3 or
more cups of legumes spread out over 8-10 times in a day. There is no limit to the number of legumes you may eat, just a minimum intake (3 cups). As you continue to eat the
legumes, the pain will continue to lessen. Remember that it is small amounts of beans taken frequently that is important.
When Will the Stones be Dissolved?
In a several weeks (6-10 is the average, although it may be less or more—depending on each person’s individual situation), with a high consumption of legumes, the stones will be
dissolved. What is a high consumption of legumes? You must eat at least ½ cup of cooked legumes six times a day. Minimum intake is 3 cups. It is important that you spread the 3
cups out into the six ½ cup servings. We want to keep soluble fiber continually in the duodenum to bind with the bile as it is released from the gall bladder. Eating all three cups of
beans at one time will not meet this requirement.

 

 

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What Are Legumes?
Legumes are what we normally term “soup beans” or “dry beans.” They are pinto beans, kidney beans, garbanzo beans, white beans, navy beans, black beans, lentils, split peas, and
black-eyed peas, to name just a few. Legumes are not green beans, wax beans, soy beans, or peanuts.
Do I Have to Eat Beans Cooked from the Dry?
You may certainly soak your beans and cook them for several hours if you desire, or you may simply purchase canned beans that are already fully cooked. Either way is acceptable.
An Illustration
Have you ever changed the oil in a car? What does the oil look like when you drain it out? It is black and gritty. When you put fresh new oil into the engine, what does it look like? It is
clear, smooth (no grit) and amber colored. As this new oil circulates through the engine, it picks up carbon and dirt. The oil is keeping the engine toxin-free so that it can run at
optimum capacity. If we allowed the same oil to continue to circulate through the engine for a long time—say years—what would eventually happen to the engine? It would lock-up. It
would cease to function. Everyone who deals with machinery knows the importance of changing the oil in an engine. It is the same with the human body. The bile is the oil. It is
responsible for carrying out waste. However, if we never change the oil, and the old oil continues to circulate over and over again, eventually that oil will lock up the engine. In this case
the engine is the gallbladder that becomes blocked with debris—the debris is the old bile or oil that is so nasty by now, that the gallbladder is no longer able to function properly. What
is the answer? Change the oil. The new oil (bile) will clean out all the old bile deposits and the gallbladder will be restored

sorry for this long quote guys, but that is how Karen Hurd thinks about gallbladder issues/stones.

I thought I am gonna try this, and see if the small tension I feel once in a while in my gallbladder, will go away completely.

I will report about it along the way if anything changes.

Activated Charcoal, Insoluble fiber and other binders also sequester bile. Pros of these other two is that there is no fermentation and deconjugation. Okra is one plant that stands out above the many others as well. It binds endotoxins the most of any tested so far.

Quote from tim on March 5, 2023, 9:30 pm

With regard to that soluble fiber study you can avoid the problems of soluble fiber by eating just meat and honey or you can correct gut dysbiosis. Which option makes more sense?

Beta glucan found in mushrooms and oats appears to be the best soluble fiber. I do think it's a good idea to avoid a high pectin and inulin intake.

Quote from Jiří on March 6, 2023, 1:43 am

@inger that legume protocol can work for not so old gallstones. But once they are really big and calcified. Soluble fiber will do nothing. You have to take a lot of malic acid for longer period to soften them... Also this legume/fiber protocol is very very slow. Liver flush is exact opposite of that. It's fast and effective. If you do liver flush(full protocol) every 14 days for couple of months you will have more results than eating legumes for years.. The older you are the bigger chance that you have big 1-2cm + stones that are also calcified. I don't see how fiber can help with that in some reasonable time period.. It is funny how people are afraid of drinking some olive oil with lemon juice, but are ok with taking all kinds of drugs, meds, eating garbage, smoke, drink and simply nonstop abusing their bodies.. 

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Quote from Jiří on March 6, 2023, 1:43 am

@inger that legume protocol can work for not so old gallstones. But once they are really big and calcified. Soluble fiber will do nothing. You have to take a lot of malic acid for longer period to soften them... Also this legume/fiber protocol is very very slow. Liver flush is exact opposite of that. It's fast and effective. If you do liver flush(full protocol) every 14 days for couple of months you will have more results than eating legumes for years.. The older you are the bigger chance that you have big 1-2cm + stones that are also calcified. I don't see how fiber can help with that in some reasonable time period.. It is funny how people are afraid of drinking some olive oil with lemon juice, but are ok with taking all kinds of drugs, meds, eating garbage, smoke, drink and simply nonstop abusing their bodies.. 

@jiri,

I will watch how you are doing and then draw my conclusions 😉 because you have not gotten rid of your liver pain yet... If you do I might consider trying it maybe 🙂 . What I could do is drinking some olive oil with lemon juice 🙂 .

I stopped abusing my body so this is not true with me... and I do am a liiittle worried if a big stone could get stuck somewhere it does not belong..yikes... thats why I like the slowly dissolving protocol better... but I am willing to change my view iof someone here tells me they healed their liver and gallbladder with flush. Like really healed them.

Karen Hurd says the bean protocol for gallbladder will dissolve stones once the old bile is transported out with soluble fiber and not recirculating, and when new fresh less toxic, thin strong bile is produced this will dissolve the stones? I am very curious if this is true.

Quote from Inger on March 6, 2023, 4:46 am

Quote from Jiří on March 6, 2023, 1:43 am

@inger that legume protocol can work for not so old gallstones. But once they are really big and calcified. Soluble fiber will do nothing. You have to take a lot of malic acid for longer period to soften them... Also this legume/fiber protocol is very very slow. Liver flush is exact opposite of that. It's fast and effective. If you do liver flush(full protocol) every 14 days for couple of months you will have more results than eating legumes for years.. The older you are the bigger chance that you have big 1-2cm + stones that are also calcified. I don't see how fiber can help with that in some reasonable time period.. It is funny how people are afraid of drinking some olive oil with lemon juice, but are ok with taking all kinds of drugs, meds, eating garbage, smoke, drink and simply nonstop abusing their bodies.. 

@jiri, it does not seem to take forever to dissolve stones on the bean protocol if you follow the protocol precisely for gallbladder issues = no fat, beans very often through the day.. etc.

I copied this from the Karen Hurd facebook support group

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my gallbladder? I had one stone (that could be seen on ct scan and ultrasound) that was 1.9 cm I believe? And I had horrible attacks that sent me to the ER more than once. I started the protocol in mid October of 2021 and was pain free by November 1st. I haven't had any issues since probably January (I started adding fats back in too soon which caused issues.) but I've been feeling great once I got it all figured out!

 

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so amazing. Thank you for sharing

 

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what is your diet like now?

 

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well I've gotten lenient with sugar the past few weeks (hello summer and family get togethers) but still no pain and I eat 2 cups at least of legumes daily. I've eaten out a few times even and didn't restrict gluten/dairy/fat and did fine. But I love the way my mind feels and functions and the way my body feels when I follow the protocol. I've added healthy fats back in (cashew butter, nuts, etc) and do great with them.

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But like tomorrow I'll do - 2 eggs with 1/2 cup veggies and 1/2 cup beans (black eyed peas most likely.)

1/4 cup beans as snacks in between breakfast and lunch.

Lunch will be 96% lean ground beef, 1/4 cup quinoa, tomatoes, onions, and cucumbers chopped up with balsamic vinegar and 1/2 cup garbanzo beans added in.

More bean snacks between meals. Sometimes I do roasted garbanzo beans (in the air fryer.)

And dinner is usually beef or ground Turkey, whatever veggies I wanna sauté up i vegetable broth, and lentils or beans of some sort. Sometimes I feel wild and do chickpea pasta instead of beans lol.

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thank you for sharing! If I ate ground beef or turkey I'd be miserable... I'm SO close to just getting my gallbladder out because I just don't see how I can travel with the restricted diet I have in order to keep my gallbladder happy. But maybe I need to give this bean protocol a full go already!

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I forgot I might also do a handful of nuts in there somewhere. And also lots of water!

 

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I'd give it a shot. Do 99% fat free turkey! I had to start off SO simple. I did palm size amount ground Turkey, 1/2 cup veggies, and beans I did 2 tbsp every half hour. I didn't add in eggs for awhile and beef didn't come til February or so.

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also there's hope. I had seen a surgeon. I was so close to getting mine out. I was exhausted. I'm so glad I fully followed the protocol (down to no fragrances in even my makeup.)