I needed to disable self sign-ups because I’ve been getting too many spam-type accounts. Thanks.
Soluble Fiber and Bile Dumping
Quote from Jiří on March 6, 2023, 5:29 am@inger it will be great if it will work for you. I just do both flushes and soluble fiber mainly from apples(pectin+malic acid) and oats(beta glucan). I will try some legumes as well. Just can't eat beans + meat. Because if I do it feels like the beans inhibit meat digestion and I have a rock in my stomach for the next 6+ hours. Btw I feel that liver pressure only after eating and only when I sit with bad posture and the liver is squeezed.. It's not like I have gallbladder attacks or something like that.. Bad posture is really bad for organ function. My spine is not in 100% shape so I have hard time to maintain good posture and that has negative effect on my whole nervous system and organs.. That is also topic that most people neglect.. Good posture, good breathing etc.. It is important as diet..
@inger it will be great if it will work for you. I just do both flushes and soluble fiber mainly from apples(pectin+malic acid) and oats(beta glucan). I will try some legumes as well. Just can't eat beans + meat. Because if I do it feels like the beans inhibit meat digestion and I have a rock in my stomach for the next 6+ hours. Btw I feel that liver pressure only after eating and only when I sit with bad posture and the liver is squeezed.. It's not like I have gallbladder attacks or something like that.. Bad posture is really bad for organ function. My spine is not in 100% shape so I have hard time to maintain good posture and that has negative effect on my whole nervous system and organs.. That is also topic that most people neglect.. Good posture, good breathing etc.. It is important as diet..
Quote from Inger on March 6, 2023, 9:12 amQuote from Jiří on March 6, 2023, 5:29 am@inger it will be great if it will work for you. I just do both flushes and soluble fiber mainly from apples(pectin+malic acid) and oats(beta glucan). I will try some legumes as well. Just can't eat beans + meat. Because if I do it feels like the beans inhibit meat digestion and I have a rock in my stomach for the next 6+ hours. Btw I feel that liver pressure only after eating and only when I sit with bad posture and the liver is squeezed.. It's not like I have gallbladder attacks or something like that.. Bad posture is really bad for organ function. My spine is not in 100% shape so I have hard time to maintain good posture and that has negative effect on my whole nervous system and organs.. That is also topic that most people neglect.. Good posture, good breathing etc.. It is important as diet..
@jiri, I hope it will work 🙂 but time will tell, I do already have gotten benefits though so I am very hopeful. I think I have quite the same issue than you BTW. The sore feeling in my gallbladder/liver is very light and not always there. Bad posture I have noticed too is not a good idea.
It is best to do the legumes apart from meat I guess anyways if you want to heal toxic bile issues, so thats great 🙂
I might start eating apples again too. Apple pectin I tried but I felt kinda off, same with oats. Nothing bad but just a feeling my body did not like it. Beans feels so good to my body. Apples feels great too but I stopped having them after the Finnish apples went out in the stores. I like go seasonal with food but I am not that religious about it so I might try an apple a day.
I found another cool text on the bean support site about how it really works;
- - - - - -
Per a request from a member, here is an overview of how soluble fiber effects bile congestion, based on my understanding from conversations with Karen and listening to her podcasts, watching several of her video seminars, and reading most of her articles:Beans contain soluble fiber, which absorb the congested bile that causes the irritation and dysfunction throughout the GI tract. The soluble fiber allows the body to safely remove the congested bile from the body and keep it from being reabsorbed at the ileum at the end of the small intestines through one of the body’s conservation methods called the enterohepatic recirculation process.As the congested bile is removed from the body in the form of bowel movements, then the liver detects that bile levels have dropped and more bile needs to be created. It sends scavenger enzymes into the bloodstream to look for triglycerides, from which bile is composed.The new, fresh bile is not congested so it can start absorbing more fat soluble metabolic waste, including sharing some of the burden that the existing congested bile is carrying. As you can imagine, that fresh, new bile can get overloaded quickly as it tries to taken on the responsibilities of that the older congested bile cannot adequately handle any longer.The more we consume the soluble fiber, the more liver will continue created fresh new bile. Think of it like recruiting more help. Now the old congested bile has much more new fresh bile to alleviate the work.As the liver produces 2 to 4 tablespoons of bile every 20 minutes for around 72 times in a 24 hour period, if we eat several frequencies of soluble fiber as close as 20 minutes apart, then we are systematically working with our body to bind up the congestion and continually requiring the liver to produce fresh bile.Considering that most people eat little to no soluble fiber (as distinguished from insoluble fiber that does not absorb bile), a lifetime of soluble fiber deficiency leads to the bile freely being reabsorbed and becoming more and more congested. Hence, gallbladder disease is a rampant issue across the world, especially in Western civilizations. Gall sands and gallstones are the results of bile congestion as the bile changes from a unsaturated fat state (liquid) to a saturated fat state (solid).In this chemicals transformation, the pH of the bile changes to a very concentrated acid that irritates everything it comes into contact with, including the sphincter of Oddi, pancreas, liver, intestines, etc. It is very painful and creates lots of inflammation in the GI tract.The reason for separating fat from beans is that soluble fiber will bind to the dietary fat instead of the bile if you eat them too close together. 90 minutes separation allows enough time for the soluble fiber to make it into the lower part of the stomach and small intestines before eating cashews, seeds, or other fats.
Quote from Jiří on March 6, 2023, 5:29 am@inger it will be great if it will work for you. I just do both flushes and soluble fiber mainly from apples(pectin+malic acid) and oats(beta glucan). I will try some legumes as well. Just can't eat beans + meat. Because if I do it feels like the beans inhibit meat digestion and I have a rock in my stomach for the next 6+ hours. Btw I feel that liver pressure only after eating and only when I sit with bad posture and the liver is squeezed.. It's not like I have gallbladder attacks or something like that.. Bad posture is really bad for organ function. My spine is not in 100% shape so I have hard time to maintain good posture and that has negative effect on my whole nervous system and organs.. That is also topic that most people neglect.. Good posture, good breathing etc.. It is important as diet..
@jiri, I hope it will work 🙂 but time will tell, I do already have gotten benefits though so I am very hopeful. I think I have quite the same issue than you BTW. The sore feeling in my gallbladder/liver is very light and not always there. Bad posture I have noticed too is not a good idea.
It is best to do the legumes apart from meat I guess anyways if you want to heal toxic bile issues, so thats great 🙂
I might start eating apples again too. Apple pectin I tried but I felt kinda off, same with oats. Nothing bad but just a feeling my body did not like it. Beans feels so good to my body. Apples feels great too but I stopped having them after the Finnish apples went out in the stores. I like go seasonal with food but I am not that religious about it so I might try an apple a day.
I found another cool text on the bean support site about how it really works;
- - - - - -
Per a request from a member, here is an overview of how soluble fiber effects bile congestion, based on my understanding from conversations with Karen and listening to her podcasts, watching several of her video seminars, and reading most of her articles:Beans contain soluble fiber, which absorb the congested bile that causes the irritation and dysfunction throughout the GI tract. The soluble fiber allows the body to safely remove the congested bile from the body and keep it from being reabsorbed at the ileum at the end of the small intestines through one of the body’s conservation methods called the enterohepatic recirculation process.As the congested bile is removed from the body in the form of bowel movements, then the liver detects that bile levels have dropped and more bile needs to be created. It sends scavenger enzymes into the bloodstream to look for triglycerides, from which bile is composed.The new, fresh bile is not congested so it can start absorbing more fat soluble metabolic waste, including sharing some of the burden that the existing congested bile is carrying. As you can imagine, that fresh, new bile can get overloaded quickly as it tries to taken on the responsibilities of that the older congested bile cannot adequately handle any longer.The more we consume the soluble fiber, the more liver will continue created fresh new bile. Think of it like recruiting more help. Now the old congested bile has much more new fresh bile to alleviate the work.As the liver produces 2 to 4 tablespoons of bile every 20 minutes for around 72 times in a 24 hour period, if we eat several frequencies of soluble fiber as close as 20 minutes apart, then we are systematically working with our body to bind up the congestion and continually requiring the liver to produce fresh bile.Considering that most people eat little to no soluble fiber (as distinguished from insoluble fiber that does not absorb bile), a lifetime of soluble fiber deficiency leads to the bile freely being reabsorbed and becoming more and more congested. Hence, gallbladder disease is a rampant issue across the world, especially in Western civilizations. Gall sands and gallstones are the results of bile congestion as the bile changes from a unsaturated fat state (liquid) to a saturated fat state (solid).In this chemicals transformation, the pH of the bile changes to a very concentrated acid that irritates everything it comes into contact with, including the sphincter of Oddi, pancreas, liver, intestines, etc. It is very painful and creates lots of inflammation in the GI tract.The reason for separating fat from beans is that soluble fiber will bind to the dietary fat instead of the bile if you eat them too close together. 90 minutes separation allows enough time for the soluble fiber to make it into the lower part of the stomach and small intestines before eating cashews, seeds, or other fats.
Quote from Inger on March 6, 2023, 11:30 amand another testimonial from the facebook group how bean protocol dissolved her gallstones, I am very encouraged this really can work, I have been scrolling through the posts today and there are many who have been able to heal their gallbladder and liver through the protocol, yay I am so happy 🙂
- - - -
- My stones dissolved within 5 months on the protocol-but there wasn’t even 1 meal I cheated on. 100% Karen diet
- Never cheated. I did beans 99% of the time. Psyllium once in a blue moon.
- 1/2c 6x per day
- I wasn’t given fats back until about the second month. Just beans 6x per day veggies 5x per day, and lean protein 3x per day with 1 gallon of water spread out. That was 2 full months. Then I got nuts added back in 1/4c 3x per day.
- I was hard core. Absolutely no fruit or bread. Only water to drink. And no flushes. The protocol works, but it SUCKS.
- It was confirmed by scan all my stones were gone, but I did stop doing the protocol. I think when I am eating like trash for long periods of time I start to get twinges in my gall bladder, and I need to head back to the beans. They always clear things up. I need to go back to the protocol now, because I have put on weight after my last kiddo, and I can tell I am not fueling my body right.
and another testimonial from the facebook group how bean protocol dissolved her gallstones, I am very encouraged this really can work, I have been scrolling through the posts today and there are many who have been able to heal their gallbladder and liver through the protocol, yay I am so happy 🙂
- - - -
- My stones dissolved within 5 months on the protocol-but there wasn’t even 1 meal I cheated on. 100% Karen diet
- Never cheated. I did beans 99% of the time. Psyllium once in a blue moon.
- 1/2c 6x per day
- I wasn’t given fats back until about the second month. Just beans 6x per day veggies 5x per day, and lean protein 3x per day with 1 gallon of water spread out. That was 2 full months. Then I got nuts added back in 1/4c 3x per day.
- I was hard core. Absolutely no fruit or bread. Only water to drink. And no flushes. The protocol works, but it SUCKS.
- It was confirmed by scan all my stones were gone, but I did stop doing the protocol. I think when I am eating like trash for long periods of time I start to get twinges in my gall bladder, and I need to head back to the beans. They always clear things up. I need to go back to the protocol now, because I have put on weight after my last kiddo, and I can tell I am not fueling my body right.