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Quote from Guest on March 5, 2019, 11:52 am
Comming from Ray Peat Where sugar =Good for you (atleast not bad), I'm wondering What you guys think about it? Anyone know What dr. Smith and Grant think about it?
anna
Comming from Ray Peat Where sugar =Good for you (atleast not bad), I'm wondering What you guys think about it? Anyone know What dr. Smith and Grant think about it?
anna
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Orion on March 5, 2019, 12:43 pm
I don't think they equate sugar with causing bad health, but don't think it should be a staple macro. I use white and brown sugar daily, for coffee and rice in the morning.
I don't think they equate sugar with causing bad health, but don't think it should be a staple macro. I use white and brown sugar daily, for coffee and rice in the morning.
I use more sugar than before and don't see it as the devil's incarnate thanks to Ray Peat, but I find too much sugar can disrupt things for me.
I think you will have to tweak with your intake and judge how it make you feel. We all react differently to nutrients and need to learn how our own body works.
I use more sugar than before and don't see it as the devil's incarnate thanks to Ray Peat, but I find too much sugar can disrupt things for me.
I think you will have to tweak with your intake and judge how it make you feel. We all react differently to nutrients and need to learn how our own body works.
Quote from Guest on March 5, 2019, 2:39 pm
I use it in coffee and lemonade every day. I definitely don't go out of my way to avoid it but since going low A more of my carbs come from starch rather than sugar.
With Peat I've noticed an overarching theme to be contrarian and spur people to think about the mainstream health/medical dogma from a different perspective. Unfortunately some ideas he has written about have taken on a life of their own and been turned into something he possibly never intended. I have only exchanged a few emails with him over the years so I don't know him personally. Regardless of whether I agree with him or not on certain issues I do respect that he genuinely tries to help others and basically does so for free.
Sugar in my mind is neither good or bad in and of itself. Certainly there are situations where it can boost calories and be flavorful and helpful. It's a nice condiment to have on hand but I also don't believe it's a miracle cure for anything.
I remember reading in one of Grant's books that he experimented with increasing his sugar consumption to see if it caused any weight gain and it did not but that's all I've read about his views on sugar.
I recently switched to using organic cane sugar to avoid the possibility of glyphosate in conventional sugar.
I use it in coffee and lemonade every day. I definitely don't go out of my way to avoid it but since going low A more of my carbs come from starch rather than sugar.
With Peat I've noticed an overarching theme to be contrarian and spur people to think about the mainstream health/medical dogma from a different perspective. Unfortunately some ideas he has written about have taken on a life of their own and been turned into something he possibly never intended. I have only exchanged a few emails with him over the years so I don't know him personally. Regardless of whether I agree with him or not on certain issues I do respect that he genuinely tries to help others and basically does so for free.
Sugar in my mind is neither good or bad in and of itself. Certainly there are situations where it can boost calories and be flavorful and helpful. It's a nice condiment to have on hand but I also don't believe it's a miracle cure for anything.
I remember reading in one of Grant's books that he experimented with increasing his sugar consumption to see if it caused any weight gain and it did not but that's all I've read about his views on sugar.
I recently switched to using organic cane sugar to avoid the possibility of glyphosate in conventional sugar.
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Bella on March 5, 2019, 2:41 pm
Above was me. 🙂
Above was me. 🙂
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tim on March 7, 2019, 5:26 am
The negative thing about sugar is that it can cause tooth decay. It can also be poorly digested in some, it requires sucrase to split it into glucose and fructose. Fructose can be poorly absorbed in many people leading to negative effects. Fructose has to be processed by the liver, if the liver is overwhelmed already this will be a problem.
People talk about sugar being nutrient free, this is not a very valid argument against it in my opinion. Fat is also micro nutrient free. White flour isn't a great source of micro nutrients. We don't eat these things for the micro nutrients, we eat them for the macro nutrients.
Overall I think that sugar is demonized without sufficient cause. I think sugar, honey, maple syrup etc are not unhealthy in the amounts the average person consumes.
The negative thing about sugar is that it can cause tooth decay. It can also be poorly digested in some, it requires sucrase to split it into glucose and fructose. Fructose can be poorly absorbed in many people leading to negative effects. Fructose has to be processed by the liver, if the liver is overwhelmed already this will be a problem.
People talk about sugar being nutrient free, this is not a very valid argument against it in my opinion. Fat is also micro nutrient free. White flour isn't a great source of micro nutrients. We don't eat these things for the micro nutrients, we eat them for the macro nutrients.
Overall I think that sugar is demonized without sufficient cause. I think sugar, honey, maple syrup etc are not unhealthy in the amounts the average person consumes.
Sugar does not cause tooth decay. It exacerbates it by feeding bacteria. Having a good mouth pH is key to keeping control over bacteria.
If it was causing tooth decay, I would have had way more cavities.
Sugar does not cause tooth decay. It exacerbates it by feeding bacteria. Having a good mouth pH is key to keeping control over bacteria.
If it was causing tooth decay, I would have had way more cavities.
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Orion on March 7, 2019, 7:15 am
Sugar does not cause tooth decay. It exacerbates it by feeding bacteria. Having a good mouth pH is key to keeping control over bacteria.
If it was causing tooth decay, I would have had way more cavities.
Agree, calcium is leeched from teeth and bone to buffer against retinoic acid. Mouth health has nothing to do with sugar, but pH levels. Lowering VA will keep calcium where is should be, also balanced with phosphorus, keep enamel intact and help with proper saliva pH.
Sugar does not cause tooth decay. It exacerbates it by feeding bacteria. Having a good mouth pH is key to keeping control over bacteria.
If it was causing tooth decay, I would have had way more cavities.
Agree, calcium is leeched from teeth and bone to buffer against retinoic acid. Mouth health has nothing to do with sugar, but pH levels. Lowering VA will keep calcium where is should be, also balanced with phosphorus, keep enamel intact and help with proper saliva pH.
Quote from Guest on March 8, 2019, 12:31 pm
Thanks for input!
anna
Thanks for input!
anna
Quote from Guest on March 8, 2019, 8:45 pm
Quote from somuch4food on March 7, 2019, 6:25 am
Sugar does not cause tooth decay. It exacerbates it by feeding bacteria. Having a good mouth pH is key to keeping control over bacteria.
If it was causing tooth decay, I would have had way more cavities.
Tooth decay can not occur without carbohydrates to feed cariogenic bacteria therefore sugar consumption causes tooth decay. If you don't believe me then eat sweets throughout the day every day. Regardless of how good your starting mouth chemistry was you will still develop decay after a short period of time.
By your logic sunlight doesn't age our skin because I could say "I go out in the sun all the time and I look younger than my age."
Health issues are of course often multi-factorial. Sugar consumption patterns are not the sole determinant of oral health and as you point out there are other factors such as oral pH.
Cavities are tooth decay by the way, even if one has few cavities one still suffers from tooth decay.
Quote from somuch4food on March 7, 2019, 6:25 am
Sugar does not cause tooth decay. It exacerbates it by feeding bacteria. Having a good mouth pH is key to keeping control over bacteria.
If it was causing tooth decay, I would have had way more cavities.
Tooth decay can not occur without carbohydrates to feed cariogenic bacteria therefore sugar consumption causes tooth decay. If you don't believe me then eat sweets throughout the day every day. Regardless of how good your starting mouth chemistry was you will still develop decay after a short period of time.
By your logic sunlight doesn't age our skin because I could say "I go out in the sun all the time and I look younger than my age."
Health issues are of course often multi-factorial. Sugar consumption patterns are not the sole determinant of oral health and as you point out there are other factors such as oral pH.
Cavities are tooth decay by the way, even if one has few cavities one still suffers from tooth decay.
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