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tim on March 8, 2019, 8:46 pm
That was me.
That was me.
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tim on March 8, 2019, 9:06 pm
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Orion on March 7, 2019, 7:15 am
Sugar does not cause tooth decay. It exacerbates it by feeding bacteria. Having a good mouth pH is key to keeping control over bacteria.
If it was causing tooth decay, I would have had way more cavities.
Agree, calcium is leeched from teeth and bone to buffer against retinoic acid. Mouth health has nothing to do with sugar, but pH levels. Lowering VA will keep calcium where is should be, also balanced with phosphorus, keep enamel intact and help with proper saliva pH.
Carbohydrates feed cariogenic bacteria which then produce acids which lower mouth pH and corrode enamel so saying that oral health has nothing to do with sugar but everything to do with the pH level is a non sequitor.
Also the pH of the inside layer of plaque formations is often lower than saliva pH.
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Orion on March 7, 2019, 7:15 am
Sugar does not cause tooth decay. It exacerbates it by feeding bacteria. Having a good mouth pH is key to keeping control over bacteria.
If it was causing tooth decay, I would have had way more cavities.
Agree, calcium is leeched from teeth and bone to buffer against retinoic acid. Mouth health has nothing to do with sugar, but pH levels. Lowering VA will keep calcium where is should be, also balanced with phosphorus, keep enamel intact and help with proper saliva pH.
Carbohydrates feed cariogenic bacteria which then produce acids which lower mouth pH and corrode enamel so saying that oral health has nothing to do with sugar but everything to do with the pH level is a non sequitor.
Also the pH of the inside layer of plaque formations is often lower than saliva pH.
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tim on March 8, 2019, 9:26 pm
Honey tends to be less problematic than fruit and sugar:
Effect of honey in preventing gingivitis and dental caries in patients undergoing orthodontic treatment
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4095052/
Honey tends to be less problematic than fruit and sugar:
Effect of honey in preventing gingivitis and dental caries in patients undergoing orthodontic treatment
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4095052/
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tim on March 8, 2019, 9:47 pm
In case anyone is interested I have reversed serious tooth decay and avoided going to the dentist by doing this for a few months:
Only eating twice per day with nothing in between. Minimizing consumption of sugar and fruit.
Strict oral hygiene immediately after meals: Brushing and flossing twice then tongue cleaning.
Using 6% Hydrogen Peroxide from the chemist as a mouthwash. I would keep it in the mouth for a few minutes while moving it around inside the mouth. When you have active decay it can be agony but it doesn't take long until it becomes less painful. You need to apply pressure by kind of pushing air into your mouth so that the Hydrogen Peroxide finds its way into every crevice.
In case anyone is interested I have reversed serious tooth decay and avoided going to the dentist by doing this for a few months:
Only eating twice per day with nothing in between. Minimizing consumption of sugar and fruit.
Strict oral hygiene immediately after meals: Brushing and flossing twice then tongue cleaning.
Using 6% Hydrogen Peroxide from the chemist as a mouthwash. I would keep it in the mouth for a few minutes while moving it around inside the mouth. When you have active decay it can be agony but it doesn't take long until it becomes less painful. You need to apply pressure by kind of pushing air into your mouth so that the Hydrogen Peroxide finds its way into every crevice.
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Orion on March 9, 2019, 6:25 am
Just pushing the discussion, since everyone is in a different body with different chemistries. Anecdotally my worst tooth health was during zero carb (0 sugar) for 1 year. I had constant fuzz growing on my teeth, two incisors chipped had pieces flake off... at the time I thought zero carb was going to give me pinnacle health, but teeth made me realized I had to move on... I used lots of sugar, fruit and carbs before low VA and teeth have been perfect. Now going low VA, teeth are doing even better, and hoping they continue to improve.
Just pushing the discussion, since everyone is in a different body with different chemistries. Anecdotally my worst tooth health was during zero carb (0 sugar) for 1 year. I had constant fuzz growing on my teeth, two incisors chipped had pieces flake off... at the time I thought zero carb was going to give me pinnacle health, but teeth made me realized I had to move on... I used lots of sugar, fruit and carbs before low VA and teeth have been perfect. Now going low VA, teeth are doing even better, and hoping they continue to improve.
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Orion on March 9, 2019, 6:25 am
Just pushing the discussion, since everyone is in a different body with different chemistries. Anecdotally my worst tooth health was during zero carb (0 sugar) for 1 year. I had constant fuzz growing on my teeth, two incisors chipped had pieces flake off... at the time I thought zero carb was going to give me pinnacle health, but teeth made me realized I had to move on... I used lots of sugar, fruit and carbs before low VA and teeth have been perfect. Now going low VA, teeth are doing even better, and hoping they continue to improve.
I'm going through old chats to pick up info. I was zero carb for a month and I also noticed my teeth were a bit more "fuzzy" and thought it was odd given the lack of sugar that this happened. I also had a lot of tartar build up. I included a lot of butter and eggs, I wonder did you do the same or were you strict beef and water?
Strangely on Keto where I consumed less meat and more veg my teeth and gums were in great health.
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Orion on March 9, 2019, 6:25 am
Just pushing the discussion, since everyone is in a different body with different chemistries. Anecdotally my worst tooth health was during zero carb (0 sugar) for 1 year. I had constant fuzz growing on my teeth, two incisors chipped had pieces flake off... at the time I thought zero carb was going to give me pinnacle health, but teeth made me realized I had to move on... I used lots of sugar, fruit and carbs before low VA and teeth have been perfect. Now going low VA, teeth are doing even better, and hoping they continue to improve.
I'm going through old chats to pick up info. I was zero carb for a month and I also noticed my teeth were a bit more "fuzzy" and thought it was odd given the lack of sugar that this happened. I also had a lot of tartar build up. I included a lot of butter and eggs, I wonder did you do the same or were you strict beef and water?
Strangely on Keto where I consumed less meat and more veg my teeth and gums were in great health.
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eliza1275 on February 17, 2020, 7:27 pm
@orion, I also had the worst plaque when going low carb, and eating only beef. Now that I eat potatoes, potato chips, rice, and sugar (some candy, etc), oddly my plaque is less. The dentist always comments that I must be brushing well. Nope! Didn’t change a thing in my hygiene- just my diet.
@orion, I also had the worst plaque when going low carb, and eating only beef. Now that I eat potatoes, potato chips, rice, and sugar (some candy, etc), oddly my plaque is less. The dentist always comments that I must be brushing well. Nope! Didn’t change a thing in my hygiene- just my diet.
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Judy on February 18, 2020, 3:02 pm
Dental Plaque (tartar) is calcium phosphate. It is one way your body gets rid of excess calcium and phosphate. Vitamin A pulls calcium out of the bones to act as a buffer to the retinoic acid, causing osteoporosis and calcification of arteries among other things. Getting the excess calcium out is a good thing.
Dental Plaque (tartar) is calcium phosphate. It is one way your body gets rid of excess calcium and phosphate. Vitamin A pulls calcium out of the bones to act as a buffer to the retinoic acid, causing osteoporosis and calcification of arteries among other things. Getting the excess calcium out is a good thing.
