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Tackling the Detox setback by Grant Genereux
@pattycake yes I tried that, didn't see any difference really, in regards of supplements I tried a lot of approaches trying to fix dysbiosis, SIBO, leaky gut, IBS etc etc..
Quote from William on June 6, 2023, 6:37 pmCholine may be important for detox, but there are a ton of ways to get choline without intentionally poisoning yourself by being so stupid as to actually think eating eggs is a good idea. Beef contains more choline than eggs, iirc. I'm disappointed in Grant for letting the egg dogma prevail and even mentioning it may be useful in the article.
Correct the infiltration of idiocy or this side of the A detox discission will not contribute much to the full disambiguation of the model. You are working against health by suggesting eggs are a key ingredient. Just mind boggling stupidity.If your goal was to hijack Grant's movement, well done. You've achieved your goal. Grant, be smarter.
I like that Grant thinks freedom of speech is primary and thats why I dont get my sleep ruined and it's hard to tell what might come out of even the wildest discussion, whatever they are about. Grant says clearly that it's choline he finds interesting but is not on board with getting it from eggs .
Quote from sand on June 6, 2023, 9:21 amI'm glad we finally can put the eggs behind us, when the legend himself argues so clearly. So funny seeing the wannabe messiahs having a hard time swallowing this. Guess it is time to make a separate egg forum where you can discuss whether hard boiled eggs or omelette is the best for avoiding to be killed by the detox symptoms. What rhetoric!
The thing about science is that it's never settled. You've simply bought into one explanation over the other. The egg debate is no different than the flat earth debate. Only idiots advocate for it.
Quote from Henrik on June 6, 2023, 6:41 pmQuote from William on June 6, 2023, 6:37 pmCholine may be important for detox, but there are a ton of ways to get choline without intentionally poisoning yourself by being so stupid as to actually think eating eggs is a good idea. Beef contains more choline than eggs, iirc. I'm disappointed in Grant for letting the egg dogma prevail and even mentioning it may be useful in the article.
Correct the infiltration of idiocy or this side of the A detox discission will not contribute much to the full disambiguation of the model. You are working against health by suggesting eggs are a key ingredient. Just mind boggling stupidity.If your goal was to hijack Grant's movement, well done. You've achieved your goal. Grant, be smarter.
I like that Grant thinks freedom of speech is primary and thats why I dont get my sleep ruined and it's hard to tell what might come out of even the wildest discussion, whatever they are about. Grant says clearly that it's choline he finds interesting but is not on board with getting it from eggs .
That's what I've gathered. Still, the presence of incorrect information on a forum that's supposed to be a place of science is naive. "Freedom of speech" is just a way to justify evading responsibility. Look at all the eggvangelists here. They wouldn't be here tarnishing the discussion with their stupidity were it disallowed.
Quote from Meredith on June 6, 2023, 4:33 amSo...I'm Meri Arthur (Meredith Arthur, MS, RD, LD). I'm a rebellious dietitian. I don't follow typical Academy of Nutrition recommendations because honestly, those lead to my clients becoming sick. One of the big ones is avoiding egg yolks and mostly eating whites.
Grateful to have you on Meredith, a professional with experience helping people overcome VitA toxicity and liver issues.
Someone woke up pissed off today
Quote from Jessica2 on June 6, 2023, 6:48 pmIf science is never settled how are you so sure eggs are terrible for you and a stupid idea?
You beat me to this, I was going to say the same thing.
Grant,
Something I've been working on has to do with fibermaxing: IE, increasing the amount of fiber consumed so as to soak all the bile in any given dump. For some this looks like doubling their dose per day, for others, triple. (I don't recommend psyllium husk for this.) This has had profound results in my own chat group I run. For people with cancer and on the verge of complete liver failure, naturally I don't recommend this approach. Those people would be better served under Garret's watchful eye.
However, what I have found is that most people start off well, then a few months in they get symptoms, yet don't change anything. Or they will add something to prevent symptoms. They stay on the low end of the fiber. What they need is to increase. The liver has had a few months to repair, and is pumping out more at any given point in time than before. Essentially you out fiber the bile dumping. I've got 5 or 6 people in my group doing it and they all report fast, immediate relief when they add more fiber during symptoms.
The Detox Setback may be a simple matter of increased hepatic throughput without it being accounted for.
No additional choline or eggs needed. All the egg is going to do is shut down the liver anyways. (A, cholesterol, lecithin, all a model for rapid NAFLD. Plenty of studies demonstrate that just ONE or two eggs a WEEK increases NAFLD markers.)
You can deal with a bile dump two different ways. Medicate and shut down the liver (net negative) or get more fiber. Your body already wants the toxic crap out of you. Let it dump.
Quote from Jessica2 on June 6, 2023, 6:48 pmJust a little philosophical musing here; If science is never settled how are you so sure eggs are terrible for you and a stupid idea?
There's a difference between zealous belief based on following somebody who appears to be an authority because you're too cowardly to have any responsibility over your own paradigm, and demonstrated proofs. If you can't grasp this simple concept then you are either stupid or intentionally undermining the A detox group. Apply any femcog antisocial motive you see fit.