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Thiamine story
I'm revisiting this thread to say that it appears that getting off my nightly glass of wine has repaired my armpit nerve pain (after 4 months). (nerve pain can be a B1 deficiency symptom and booze uses up B vities). Armpit nerve pain was a new symptom that came along about 2 years ago (I'm 5 years into reduced VA). But other nerve pain had appeared in the past (ulnar tunnel). Raw milk always helped with the ulnar tunnel, (B1 and B6 etc)
Now, I know I harp on this but it is big for me: I believe my grandmother's diet was clever. I did her shopping for many years and HAM cold cuts was her go-to lunch (on grocery store B1 supplemented white bread). Nana never got diabetes... (diabetes is linked to B1 deficiency) even to 100 years of age. I don't think we should forget that English, German, French, Chinese, Polynesian (as well as many others)... were PORK BASED. Pork being the highest in B1 of any meat. And of course, pork has been dragged through the mud by the media (see what I did there?). Proving that you should always do the opposite of what the media says! Voila!
So, I think instead of resorting to supplements (which I now fear LOL), I'm going to cut out sugar, limit caffeine to my one cup of Joe at b'fast, add back bacon a few times a week, ham sandwiches for lunch, and oat meal 2 x per week.
One of the things that might have bitten me on the butt is that I bake with organic (therefore unfortified) flour. I think I'm going to keep that in the diet because I still think organic is best. I hanker for other wheat products besides my own, (like pretzels and Oreos) and I wonder if my body realizes these products have B1 in them. I think, however, that I'm going to apply more of my baking energy to yeast-raised bread (rather than muffins). Again, that is where tradition leads. I know my grandmother said her mother put a bit of whole rye in and maybe I will do that too.
I can't help but wonder, and Wavy mentioned this, but in his own way, if another reason carnivore works for some people is because it clears up B1 deficiency. But I think possibly pork was the way people managed to have the extra energy of white starches in their diets.
I dunno, @lil-chick, I know you don't like pills, but I would def try thiamine pills before going for synthetically fortified oreos and pretzels! Plus you can make your own sourdough bread with some whole grain to add back some thiamine... Also I have personally found some fascinating success with short term high dose thiamine supplementation, like @jessica2 mentions. xoxo 🙂
Look at me, I'm a health nut! (scarfs down Oreos)
Perhaps also my peanut addiction helps with B1 too.
Ham and split pea soup for the B vitamin power up.
This guy is selling a thiamine supplement, but I did like his overview of the different thiamine supplements, which can be kind of confusing.
OK guys I'm here to throw a piece of spaghetti at the fridge and see if it sticks. I hope you can see my little trail of logic here:
I am having arm-pit nerve pain again.
The arm-pit nerve pain started up after staying in a hotel in which I've had other bad reactions. (we've stayed there about 6 times).
Since I was starting to get "the ick" on that hotel, between trip 5 and 6 we tried an airbnb . (it was worse). (and it definitely had bug issues)
This time at the hotel I smelled the same smell that I smelled in the airbnb bed. I got to thinking that maybe it was pesticide usage that triggered me. (such as bed bug spray)
Then I came here to review this thread today, and I see that a few of the participants such as Jenny and Sarabeth mentioned pyrrole problems and how they relate to higher b vitamin needs. (pyrroluria).
Then I go online and try to find out "how do bedbug pesticides WORK?" and I find this:
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- Cell disruptors: Some pesticides, like those in the pyrrole class, disrupt the cells' functions once they are activated within the bug, leading to its death."
Is the spaghetti of my logic sticking to the fridge? Or does it need more time in the hot water?