Quote from bludicka on November 24, 2019, 2:22 am

A few years ago I was interested in h. pylori, here is a good info: 

http://www.mygutsy.com/is-h-pylori-the-cause-of-allergies-brain-fog-hypothyroid-autoimmune-disorders-adrenal-fatigue/

But h.pylori was not my main problem, I had SIBO.

Quote from lil chick on November 25, 2019, 6:43 am

Does anyone else in your genetic family have  food attacks?  They are common in my family tree.  I think they are closer to a migraine, and there is a thing called "abdominal migraine". 

When my grandmother (who ate a bland,k lowish vit A diet by choice) stopped cooking for herself, and started eating at the assisted-living cafeteria, sometimes those meals would be the trigger.  

It seems to me that other things besides VA ARE involved-- it isn't just A (but avoiding A has helped me a LOT).  Hormones, travel, stress, alcohol, fast food, long-cooked foods like BBQ,  Tomato paste is a product that is long-cooked AND has vit A, and it has been involved a LOT--even ketchup.    Aged sausage.  Blue cheese.  I haven't eaten a french fry for decades (even from so-called real restaurants).  (but I can eat potato chips from a bag).

Sometimes these triggers add up over the course of a few days.

My best advice is to sip water while the worst part of it is happening, and then the next morning start eating something bland right away.

I remember having a food attack after a mall pizza and soda, barely making it home with infant in car, laying there nauseated/freezing/feeling as if I was dying once home, with a baby at the breast!  I have had food attacks for forty years, 5 or 6 per year, starting at age 12:  with ice-rink pizza (both pizza's were kept warm under lights).

edited to add: perhaps vitamin A is turned into one of it's more toxic cousins after long-cooking/aging.  or perhaps it is the breakdown of proteins into histamines.  ?

Quote from lil chick on November 25, 2019, 8:16 am

I have had food poisoning too!  It was different in nature.

I was served undercooked chicken at a restaurant, and another person in my party had the same thing.

We both came down with food poisoning.  Everything was normal until 2 days later...severe bowel symptoms set in.  It was much less about nausea than a food attack is.   It was all about the bowel.  Between bouts of runs, I could sleep, for instance.   After that, I was what my dad calls a "turnsta" (everything you eat turns directly to  ****).    No fun.  It went on for weeks.  Eventually the doctor gave me an antibiotic.   Just for the record, my friend cured his with pepto bismol instead of antibiotic.  Don't know if current-day pepto bismol is the same, (this was 30 years ago) but there was something in pepto that fixed it.  The antibiotics did a job on my gut and he was back on his feet much more quickly than I was!

 

Quote from tim on November 26, 2019, 4:48 am

I've noticed really positive changes to my bowel health (I'll spare anyone reading this the details) by including the list of food items I mentioned previously. I also bought a herbal tea containing green tea, ginger, lemon grass and kawakawa. That is a potent herb mix to fight bad bugs in the gut according to the studies I have read.

I suspect I have helicobacter and other bad guys in excess. With low stomach acid I'm probably way more susceptible to bad bacteria in food than I should be.

I've been making "pottage" (I try to glean wisdom by studying historical ways of eating) which is basically leeks and/or cabbage with meat such as chicken boiled up with all my anti-bug herbs added (mixed herbs, parsley, cumin, garlic, garlic salt). Peasants ate pottage every day but they would have had legumes and other vegetables added instead of meat a lot of the time. It is pretty tasty, you can have it with noodles or bread, you can add parsnip to it too. In medieval times the wealthy ate it too but didn't add carrot or parsnip, they considered these underground vegetables peasant food. They appear to have considered cabbage peasant food too but I think they quietly ate a bit in pottage. Leeks were considered a noble food by the upper class. The wealthy ate fresher pottage cooked with chicken stock.

I'm also eating some macadamias so I've got a bit more copper in my diet.

Quote from Jenny on November 26, 2019, 5:25 am

Vitamin B1 & healthy vagus nerve function important for stomach acid production too. 

Quote from lil chick on November 26, 2019, 6:29 am

Tim, I've got a few young male relatives that all seem to have gone to the same cookery school as one another.  (perhaps you too?) For instance, designate Monday as cooking day, fill the oven and not cook again until next Monday.

I don't think that my gut would be very well on their regimen, given my suspicions about what causes my food attacks (ie some sort of slow breakdown of proteins or retinoids?)

I would perhaps freeze everything in serving sizes and reheat from frozen.   I never eat fish leftovers.

The Australian elimination diet FAILSAFE concerns itself with these food chemicals.    Out of all the diets I've tried (and there were many) FAILSAFE did have an impact on my skin--it's a very bland diet (no eat the rainbow).  Unfortunately, it didn't limit eggs and milk and I still had headaches.

There is a thing called scromboid poisoning, and I think that the symptoms are quite similar to what I call a food attack.   (It's histamine poisoning)

Symptoms of scombroid poisoning generally begin quickly, about 30 minutes to 1 hour after ingestion of the poison and include:

• nausea,
• vomiting,
• flushing,
• abdominal cramps,
• diarrhea, and
• headache.

Other symptoms may include:

• itching,
• hives,
• a burning sensation in the mouth,
• fever,
• or an unusual heart pounding sensation

Quote from tim on November 30, 2019, 5:40 pm

@gary

Hi Gary, I was reading about riboflavin and saw this:

Symptoms of riboflavin deficiency include sore throat, redness and swelling of the lining of the mouth and throat, cracks or sores on the outsides of the lips (cheilosis) and at the corners of the mouth (angular stomatitis), inflammation and redness of the tongue (magenta tongue), and a moist, scaly skin inflammation (seborrheic dermatitis).

https://lpi.oregonstate.edu/mic/vitamins/riboflavin

Quote from bludicka on November 30, 2019, 11:55 pm

....cracks or sores on the outsides of the lips and at the cornes of the mouth and itching, watering, sore eyes, lower energy- these were my symptoms of B2 deficiency. People  are often deficient in riboflavin, if they take b complex, riboflavin can be depleted.  I take  low dose riboflavin regularly - extra to my b complex but not at the same time.  I read this a few years ago, very interesting: https://forums.phoenixrising.me/threads/b2-i-love-you.15209/

Quote from tim on December 22, 2019, 6:20 am

I'm now 10 months in and I haven't had any seb derm on my chest for months now. I could potentially get short outbreaks in the future but I'd consider it cured. The seb derm on my face is extremely mild, sometimes I get a small amount of flaking but I just use a facecloth to scrub it and there is minimal redness afterwards. It just keeps getting more and more mild. My face, especially my nose produces excessive sebum. Low VA hasn't helped this... yet. Vitamin D often helps people with sebum issues so I've recently started taking that every day.

My diet most days is this:

Breakfast:

Sausage rolls and herbal tea with honey
Vitamin D, magnesium, K2, nutritional yeast, sometimes I take B1. Once I feel I am VA depleted I will only take Vitamin D and yeast.

Lunch:

Chicken or fish with potato, leek and cabbage and herbs and spices
Blueberry muffin, low fat yoghurt, iced tea

Dinner:

Sausages or steak, beer
Macadamia nut bar

I'm going to try to integrate legumes, I'm soaking some for about 5 days atm to see if that makes them digestible for me.