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Tips on how do you slow down the detox.
Quote from PJ on April 4, 2023, 2:33 pm@davidw I think you have a very good working hypothesis.
Problems may arise with taking flaxseed oil. Apparently there is a balancing act of AL/ALA and too much omega 3 can interfere with omega 6 absorption. Higher w3 will eventually lead to easy bruising/bleeding, thin skin etc. Bodybio (the Kane's) suggest a 4:1 ratio in favor of w6, according to Peskin, the proper ratio is: Parent Omega-6 to Parent Omega-3 = 1:1 to 4:1. His formulation is 2:1 ratio in favor of w6. Udo Erasmus (Flora brand) 2:1 in favor of w3.
Curious as to why no meat?
Also, I do not think vitamin C is useless, although we do not need high doses. As you are probably aware PUFAs are highly sensitive to oxidation. Vitamin C and other antioxidants like zinc are protective.
The meat was an oversight; because of the sleepiness and food combining thing I try to avoid having the meat together with the rice, but meat and beans should be ok. But yes, meat would be included too. For whatever reason, after a while on the rice and beans diet (maybe due to the sleepiness) I started skipping the meat, just didn't feel like it. Maybe doing meat in the morning with the eggs and oatmeal is the best way to do it.
About vitamin C, thanks for that info. I didn't mean useless entirely, but Grant's articles about scurvy makes me think that you could substitute malic acid or even apple cider vinegar or almost any type of vinegar for vitamin C and get the same benefits.
Quote from Tommy on April 4, 2023, 6:03 pmI have to strongly disagree with you on vitamin C. From the studies that I’ve read and from my own personal experience, it’s far from useless.
I don’t think it slows down detox… if anything I think it speeds it up. What it does do is protect from detox in my experience. My teeth have been getting killed lately, with plaque, gum recession and other issues. When I added vitamin C (via diet or supplementation) it made a world of difference.
From the studies that I’ve read, vitamin C intake seems to protect against gallstones and NAFLD development, all while helping maintain desirable bile acid ratios. To me this signals that it plays a significant role in maintaining the health of the hepatobiliary system which as we know is critical for detoxification, gastro-intestinal health and health in general.
I will say though that I think it would be best to get Vitamin C from natural sources if possible rather than supplement.
Thank you. If one were to supplement vitC, is there a particular form of it or brand name you'd recommend to get these benefits? Is regular ascorbic acid powder good enough?
Quote from Moebius on April 5, 2023, 3:22 pmQuote from lil chick on April 5, 2023, 6:07 amI have become close to a family of Nepalese people and they always heated their (buffalo) milk in Nepal. It is not the first time I've encountered people from older traditions who don't drink raw (as Weston Price writers would have us think). The process of making ghee is ...wow! a very lengthy heating, and it is considered a health food in Hindu traditions.
So... perhaps the antidote still works after heating. ? but who knows.
Maybe the people who have trouble with dairy are just people like my husband who are not tolerant of it.
With ghee, they remove all the milk solids. This should mean (by inference) the caseine is removed. If caseine binds the RA, perhaps that ghee clarifying process makes it a low-VA food, and thus healthy. I'd love to see tests done on ghee for VA, RA, caseine content, etc.
It would be interesting to know the general health of people in Nepal. I seem to recall they add Yak butter to their barley tea. Something about the altitude and dry air, they burn a lot of calories so they need the butter to stay warm. What is their lifespan? Do they have similar body types and health profile to the Inuit doing their traditional high fat diet? And in the case of the Nepalese, I believe barley is a large part of their diet, is the betaine and dietary fiber in the barley giving them protection from the milk? Does the altitude change how the heat alters the milk? Are they really putting butter in their tea, or is it ghee?
According to this ghee has 350iu per tablespoon on the low end.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5185286/?page=1
I think regular ascorbic acid powder is good enough. There’s probably some brands that are a lot better than others (less contaminated etc).
If you want to go down that road, I wouldn’t supplement more than 500mg per day. Beyond that there is little extra benefit and greater risk.
I would say VC from natural sources (fruits and veggies) is better if possible. No risk + better absorption and natural cofactors to go with it.
@jessica2 That should be a fascinating data point to look once the labs come back. I'll be interested in seeing them. I've only started to re-introduce eggs over the past month. I can say that for me at least they do seem to cause an increase in detox.
I don’t believe this idea that when people have taken too much zinc that they have pushed the detox too hard. What is far more likely is either the zinc has depleted their available copper levels too much and now their zinc and copper ratio is imbalanced. And we need copper for so many things like ATP production, protection against viruses, fungi and bacteria, collagen synthesis, iron metabolism, neurotransmitter synthesis, thyroid function.
Or it could also be because Zinc can be toxic when cells are low in NAD, so too much zinc builds up in the tissues causing toxicity.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1460-9568.2006.05110.x
Thirdly Zinc on its own lowers the Na:k ratio which is the most important ratio in HTMA (also known as the vitality ratio). A lot of ill people already have low Na:k ratios so giving them just zinc on its own will lower it more and make them feel worse.
Quote from ggenereux on April 4, 2023, 6:59 amHi @andrew-b,
Let me chime in on this.
I don’t think people will make much progress at all by maintaining vitamin A and carotenoids at 1,000 IUs to 2,000 IUs per day. To me those levels should be much lower.
Other thoughts are:
No matter what diet you follow, be it low vA, carnivore, Keto, etc, never, ever, and like for the rest of your life, consume organs. Be aware that kidneys can have both high levels of vA and retinoic acid.
For the first one or two years on a low vA diet:
Be extremely careful with all supplements, especially anything (such as lactoferrin) that promotes increased bile production.
Do not take a B multivitamin. If you want to take B vitamins, be much more selective. B3, niacin, acts much like lactoferrin and promotes bile dumping. Some people have reported that taking biotin has caused them to become zitty… I don’t know what that indicates. Is the skin just detoxifying more aggressively? Is it a good thing or not? I don’t know. Just be aware and be careful to self-monitor your progress.
Do not take on any strenuous exercise, daily walking would be great.
Stay warm, get moderate amounts of sunshine if you can.
Live as low stress as best you can.
If you currently drink coffee, then DON'T stop it at this time.
If you currently smoke, then DON'T stop it at this time.
Vitamin D is quite literally used as a rat poison. Don’t take it, get sunshine instead.
Vitamin D only “works” by blocking the vA receptors, but is just less toxic than vA, so in the short term it appears to work. But, both are clearly toxins. Vit D acts very similar to corticosteroids; it offers short term gains for long term pain.
I am relatively new to this forum, so pardon me for rehashing things …
I am beginning to think high-dose vD is not good for us either. I started having weird reactions to it in 2025 and would stop and start to see if it indeed was D causing weird it.
This year, I have been getting much more sunlight and feeling better. I have reduced supplements of vD to once or twice a week and might just ween myself entirely off them.
Funny thing, once I started getting sunlight and less vD supplements, my D3 level jumped 5 points. How can that be? It is never a ton of sun (maybe 1-3 times per week for 20 minutes tops), and I am also very dark brown skin (which you always hear doesn't absorb UVB well)
Hey, rehashing is appropriate, I think it is great, that is why the info is here.
I have stopped taking all supplements. But I especially worry about the fat soluble ones! And I also think sunlight is great! Some here swear that they have become less apt to burn. Some of us might still have to be a bit careful about amounts haha. But even small amounts are great, IMO.
Quote from lil chick on June 24, 2026, 4:37 amHey, rehashing is appropriate, I think it is great, that is why the info is here.
I have stopped taking all supplements. But I especially worry about the fat soluble ones! And I also think sunlight is great! Some here swear that they have become less apt to burn. Some of us might still have to be a bit careful about amounts haha. But even small amounts are great, IMO.
I’m quite brown, dark skin, so I don’t really have any history or knowledge of burning. But I realize that I need vitamin D and so I have been getting more natural sunlight. I try to do it three or four times a week.