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The relationship between Vitamin A, Copper, Ceruloplasmin and Thyroid
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Jiří on April 3, 2024, 1:32 pm
@alexm So after 7 months of trying synthetic T4(ingested 180 pills 50mcg during that time) I am done with this experiment. It did completely nothing. In fact I gained so much white hair it is crazy. It is unfortunate that I can't test reverse T3 here, but I think it is very high now.. I will never take hormones again.. All I need is calm and relaxed place to stay and to do HTMA from TEI and follow their program.. I don't know what I was thinking when I went to endocrinologist again.. It such negative place full of arrogant people. Also the mental side of things. It felt so bad to think like I have to take some stupid hormone pills for the rest of my life. Now I am free again.. Also before I started T4 I tried haiduts T3 drops. It felt like I am just depleting my already depleted body of minerals. I am 100% sure I have still serious issues with copper toxicity. This toxic stimulant effect forces me again to exercise on my bike and deplete my body and stress my adrenals like crazy. It is so hard to stop. I think I will sell the bike. I ordered also some geosilica again and some high quality hydrolyzed collagen. I feel like my body is breaking down. Today I found big huge bleeding hole inside my mouth as if I had bitten my mouth, but I didn't.. Crazy.. I think it is liver related. All that synthetic T4 just burdens the liver which needs to make reverse T3 from it, because it can't increase free T3 because that process creates a lot of ROS which my body probably can't handle.. Wonder why when I destroy myself on 3 hour bike rides etc.. I am in this crazy vicious circle for years it is crazy.. My body is doing the best it can all the time, but I am sabotaging it.. Now I have to change it, break that cycle or it will end badly very soon..
@alexm So after 7 months of trying synthetic T4(ingested 180 pills 50mcg during that time) I am done with this experiment. It did completely nothing. In fact I gained so much white hair it is crazy. It is unfortunate that I can't test reverse T3 here, but I think it is very high now.. I will never take hormones again.. All I need is calm and relaxed place to stay and to do HTMA from TEI and follow their program.. I don't know what I was thinking when I went to endocrinologist again.. It such negative place full of arrogant people. Also the mental side of things. It felt so bad to think like I have to take some stupid hormone pills for the rest of my life. Now I am free again.. Also before I started T4 I tried haiduts T3 drops. It felt like I am just depleting my already depleted body of minerals. I am 100% sure I have still serious issues with copper toxicity. This toxic stimulant effect forces me again to exercise on my bike and deplete my body and stress my adrenals like crazy. It is so hard to stop. I think I will sell the bike. I ordered also some geosilica again and some high quality hydrolyzed collagen. I feel like my body is breaking down. Today I found big huge bleeding hole inside my mouth as if I had bitten my mouth, but I didn't.. Crazy.. I think it is liver related. All that synthetic T4 just burdens the liver which needs to make reverse T3 from it, because it can't increase free T3 because that process creates a lot of ROS which my body probably can't handle.. Wonder why when I destroy myself on 3 hour bike rides etc.. I am in this crazy vicious circle for years it is crazy.. My body is doing the best it can all the time, but I am sabotaging it.. Now I have to change it, break that cycle or it will end badly very soon..
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Inger on April 4, 2024, 12:09 am
Oh my @jiri..... that sounds not fun 🙁
Why dont you just stop all supplements and do a balanced diet packed with natural nutrients, and start doing yoga and slow walks in nature. That will help calm your adrenals. And soluble fibers will help transport out all those excess/unbalanced hormones and slowly with a lot of time in para sympathetic mode your body will just heal itself 🙂
This is what I do and I can tell I am slowly improving. It is not a quick fix but it works so well. Relaxing a lot, and truly nourishing the body with good foods.
Karen Hurd healed her bad thyroid disease doing that, and her Graves disease was so bad they had already taken most of her thyroid out. She dont take any hormones and have no health issues at all anymore. I seriously think taking lots of supplements is not good for the long run at all. It just messes us up more, most probably. Rest is also very important, to stay calm, early bedtimes, outside time etc but I am sure you know all this.
Oh my @jiri..... that sounds not fun 🙁
Why dont you just stop all supplements and do a balanced diet packed with natural nutrients, and start doing yoga and slow walks in nature. That will help calm your adrenals. And soluble fibers will help transport out all those excess/unbalanced hormones and slowly with a lot of time in para sympathetic mode your body will just heal itself 🙂
This is what I do and I can tell I am slowly improving. It is not a quick fix but it works so well. Relaxing a lot, and truly nourishing the body with good foods.
Karen Hurd healed her bad thyroid disease doing that, and her Graves disease was so bad they had already taken most of her thyroid out. She dont take any hormones and have no health issues at all anymore. I seriously think taking lots of supplements is not good for the long run at all. It just messes us up more, most probably. Rest is also very important, to stay calm, early bedtimes, outside time etc but I am sure you know all this.
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Jiří on April 4, 2024, 12:31 am
@inger It is hard to not listen and not take meds when your Labs are so off. But hopefully now I realized for good that taking thyroid hormones will do more harm than good. You simply cant know how much of it the body needs in an given moment.. Today I didnt took the pill for the first time in 7 months and I feel so much better already. Maybe it is just placebo effect. I took just some vit C on empt stomach before breakfast.. I know that supplements are problematic. But for now with my restricted diet I feel like I cant rebuild my body without them.. I ordered some apolactoferrin as well. I think it helped me a lot when I was taking it. It puls free unbound Iron from the body. It takes it away from pathogens as well. I just need to stay on lower doses. Because it can lower Iron too much.. I feel like it is essential supp for me on this red Meat heavy diet.. Because Iron overload is Real problem..
@inger It is hard to not listen and not take meds when your Labs are so off. But hopefully now I realized for good that taking thyroid hormones will do more harm than good. You simply cant know how much of it the body needs in an given moment.. Today I didnt took the pill for the first time in 7 months and I feel so much better already. Maybe it is just placebo effect. I took just some vit C on empt stomach before breakfast.. I know that supplements are problematic. But for now with my restricted diet I feel like I cant rebuild my body without them.. I ordered some apolactoferrin as well. I think it helped me a lot when I was taking it. It puls free unbound Iron from the body. It takes it away from pathogens as well. I just need to stay on lower doses. Because it can lower Iron too much.. I feel like it is essential supp for me on this red Meat heavy diet.. Because Iron overload is Real problem..
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Inger on April 4, 2024, 9:21 am
@jiri you know that taking vitamin C can possibly do harm too? Because it can. This is why I now try to eat a diet instead where all the nutrients are included naturally, because I have just hurt me with the too extreme diets + supplements.
Honestly I am feeling like supplements can be drug like, in the way that we get addicted to them. I mean, why would it be hard to just stop all supplements for a couple months and see what happens. After all they are chemicals of sort, far away from natural....
One of my sisters complained about feeling bad some time ago, I asked if she take any supplements and she said she takes a multivitamin/mineral pill for women. I encouraged her to stop taking it for a while.. and guess what.. her issues disappeared just in a couple of days.
Our bodies are pretty amazing in how they can heal themselves if we just don´t go in its way 🙂
@jiri you know that taking vitamin C can possibly do harm too? Because it can. This is why I now try to eat a diet instead where all the nutrients are included naturally, because I have just hurt me with the too extreme diets + supplements.
Honestly I am feeling like supplements can be drug like, in the way that we get addicted to them. I mean, why would it be hard to just stop all supplements for a couple months and see what happens. After all they are chemicals of sort, far away from natural....
One of my sisters complained about feeling bad some time ago, I asked if she take any supplements and she said she takes a multivitamin/mineral pill for women. I encouraged her to stop taking it for a while.. and guess what.. her issues disappeared just in a couple of days.
Our bodies are pretty amazing in how they can heal themselves if we just don´t go in its way 🙂
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Jiří on April 4, 2024, 10:06 am
@inger I know that vit C can be problematic. I don't take high doses anymore.. But I also know that I have often high free copper on blood tests which is not good. It causes huge oxidative damage and destroys vit C on the contact and I think that some of my connective tissues issues can be related to low vit C.. So I take some and I will add to the mix good quality hydrolyzed collagen and colloidal silica. Which is btw very important mineral for collagen that most people don't know about.. Btw I am not taking randomly some multivitamin. Of course they are bad. The first ingredient is vit A usually..
@inger I know that vit C can be problematic. I don't take high doses anymore.. But I also know that I have often high free copper on blood tests which is not good. It causes huge oxidative damage and destroys vit C on the contact and I think that some of my connective tissues issues can be related to low vit C.. So I take some and I will add to the mix good quality hydrolyzed collagen and colloidal silica. Which is btw very important mineral for collagen that most people don't know about.. Btw I am not taking randomly some multivitamin. Of course they are bad. The first ingredient is vit A usually..
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