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White beans
Hi guys,
so I came across the Karen Hurd Bean Protocol.
She recommends eating beans and lentils to detox the liver.
The way it works is that the soluble fiber in beans binds to the toxic bile and prevents intestinal re-absorption of the bile acids. After a while the liver notices what is going on and starts purging its toxins.
So, this seems to fit nicely with what Grant and Dr. Smith are saying.
But, the Bean Protocol allows for ALL types of beans and lentils.
Until recently I have been eating mostly black beans (plus muscle meat). But then started adding white beans.
According to the databases I use (eatthismuch.com) white beans don't have any carotenoids, same as black beans.
Is there a reason why white beans are not espoused by Grant and Dr. Smith as much as black beans? Or have I overlooked something? Is there data that says white beans have more VA than black beans?
What about the other beans and legumes? Given that people on The Bean Protocol eat all sorts of beans, even those that have higher amounts of carotenoids, and see great health results (check out Unique Hammond's Instagram account) is it fair to assume that ALL beans and legumes may be permissible and will help with liver and VA detox? Even those beans that may have increased VA amounts? What is your take or experience?
I'm not sure to be honest. But I followed the beans and beef diet for 9 or 10 months, thinking I was using all that soluble fiber to bind to toxic bile, but developed really weird body problems. I became weak, joint issues, limb weakness, my diaphram just didn't want to work so I had breathlessness; so odd. I finally realized it coincided with the eating of beans which wasn't something I had done much in my life prior to this. I suppose it could have been that they were causing my body to dump a lot of A, I don't know.
So I did a dive into looking at them. I was eating black, red, navy and pinto beans. Turns out they're all fairly high in oxalates. Ugh. I didn't realize that in my quest to avoid vitamin A I had inadvertently pushed myself over the edge with oxalates. They're also high in lectins which may have been part of the problem.
The one bean that seems safe from an oxalate standpoint is black eyed peas (they're a bean though, not a pea). The black eyed peas are listed as safe according the Dr. Smith's website, and are also very low oxalate, so maybe you could try those.
@chris-4 I don't do well on beans as well.. My main sources of soluble fiber are oats, mushrooms, apples, bananas, onions.. I don't think that I need more fiber on top of that.. Beans are simply to high in antinutrients..
Yeah, I do quite well with a few bananas a day. I also eat apples occasionally.
Quote from Chris on April 5, 2022, 10:04 amI'm not sure to be honest. But I followed the beans and beef diet for 9 or 10 months, thinking I was using all that soluble fiber to bind to toxic bile, but developed really weird body problems. I became weak, joint issues, limb weakness, my diaphram just didn't want to work so I had breathlessness; so odd. I finally realized it coincided with the eating of beans which wasn't something I had done much in my life prior to this. I suppose it could have been that they were causing my body to dump a lot of A, I don't know.
So I did a dive into looking at them. I was eating black, red, navy and pinto beans. Turns out they're all fairly high in oxalates. Ugh. I didn't realize that in my quest to avoid vitamin A I had inadvertently pushed myself over the edge with oxalates. They're also high in lectins which may have been part of the problem.
The one bean that seems safe from an oxalate standpoint is black eyed peas (they're a bean though, not a pea). The black eyed peas are listed as safe according the Dr. Smith's website, and are also very low oxalate, so maybe you could try those.
Has your health improved ever since switching to black eyed peas?
Quote from Paola on April 5, 2022, 2:58 pmQuote from Chris on April 5, 2022, 10:04 amI'm not sure to be honest. But I followed the beans and beef diet for 9 or 10 months, thinking I was using all that soluble fiber to bind to toxic bile, but developed really weird body problems. I became weak, joint issues, limb weakness, my diaphram just didn't want to work so I had breathlessness; so odd. I finally realized it coincided with the eating of beans which wasn't something I had done much in my life prior to this. I suppose it could have been that they were causing my body to dump a lot of A, I don't know.
So I did a dive into looking at them. I was eating black, red, navy and pinto beans. Turns out they're all fairly high in oxalates. Ugh. I didn't realize that in my quest to avoid vitamin A I had inadvertently pushed myself over the edge with oxalates. They're also high in lectins which may have been part of the problem.
The one bean that seems safe from an oxalate standpoint is black eyed peas (they're a bean though, not a pea). The black eyed peas are listed as safe according the Dr. Smith's website, and are also very low oxalate, so maybe you could try those.
Has your health improved ever since switching to black eyed peas?
Is anyone here eating black eyed peas on a daily as their bean/fiber source? Wonder what that high molybdenum content is doing. Just found some in local shop will try them for the first time.. They are low in oxalates which I think is the worst antinutrient will try eating them daily..
Kidney Failure is the end game of vitamin A overload, and I can see how oxalates could be particularly exacerbating for us here, perhaps more than other people who haven't yet hit the wall with vitamin A.
Interesting, I forgot about black-eyed peas, thanks for bringing it up again, Jiri. I have some weird symptoms creeping up with increasing soluble fiber. I was blaming a lot of it on my exposure to pesticides in that hotel room. There is no rule saying it can't be both the pesticides and more veg toxins TOO. I was eating more beans then. Those symptoms have subsided but...
I feel like my urine has become more toxic, it isn't creating happiness with the ureter, like I almost feel like I could end up with a UTI. And my armpit nerve pain is acting up.
I just don't have a taste for beans (other people here have also complained of that, including Itsme, IIRC. I think she said it wouldn't have been an ancestral food for her). I can only get psyched to make them about once per week. I know my 1914 born Grandmother served them once per week. I don't mind eating oatmeal daily, (with some walnuts) and I love apples with lemon juice and salt as a snack, so that is what I've been doing.
Otherwise, GOSH the lack of gas is AMAZING, soluble fiber has really fixed my long-term gas problem (which was causing me to be even more of a hermit). Solving this issue is a miracle. It seems to be clearing out the lower GI.
The answer may be that going *overboard* with beans isn't a great idea, but they are an OK sometimes food. Maybe, like many "non-normal" diets, you hit a wall with it. Maybe the idea is to mix things up. Or slow down. I mean, if you aren't about to die from poisoning (like Karen Hurd's baby was) maybe you can take things slower. Grant wasn't doing the amounts of beans Karen Hurd is recommending. Do a Grant amount of beans?
Molybdenum is also very important to me or I can react to sulfites (with asthma), I seem to be able to solve that need with some peanuts (which I do like). Peanuts have both soluble and insoluble and oxalates. I don't seem to need to eat a lot of them to get enough. A small handful every other day.
Fiber things my Northern European great-grandmother served daily: oatmeal, walnuts, apple sauce, prune sauce, cabbage, rye, pickles, jams (pectin is a soluble fiber). Weekly: navy beans, green beans, barley. I know she especially pushed the prune sauce for regularity. The family were mill workers and lived on a postage-stamp lot but they had their own plum tree (and dried the prunes) and they had their own grape vine on the fence line (for jam) and she grew green beans (for canning). I think that was the extent of their urban farming, but my grandmother told me they would buy the other things in bulk.
Another thing to point out is that my ancestral family drank milk. (which is the antidote to daily oxalates). I'm adding a bit more dairy to my life to try to see if it helps with these odd little problems that are cropping up.
We eat 1 1/2 cups of cooked beans everyday. In the morning and at lunch they are either pinto or black beans. And at supper they are either black-eyed peas, crowder peas or navy beans. We ate the black-eyed peas for more than a year at supper. I don't really know what the molybdenum effects would feel like but they are more bitter than navy beans so I decided to switch things occasionally. Black-eyed peas also have more beta-carotene.
With soluble fiber it's about frequency not quantity. We recycle bile non stop 24/7, so the more frequent it can be bound the better in terms of eliminating toxicity. Something I refuse to admit! And still struggle with my hormones because of it. I think eating 1/2 cup of beans once or twice a day will do the job, but it doesn't. It's helped a lot, but it isn't complete healing.
I agree that eating beans more than with meals is necessary to remove toxins. I ate beans 5-6 times per day for 2 years and still eat a tablespoon between meals occasionally. I also use a little psyllium between meals. I enjoy eating beans with rice. They taste better that way.