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A Best Practices Diet
Quote from wavygravygadzooks on June 29, 2021, 11:22 am@grapes
Treating onycholysis? Eliminate the root cause, which seems to be Vitamin A toxicity in my case.
Other than that, I would keep your nails trimmed as short as possible to reduce forces on the distal end of the nail from pulling the nail farther away from the nail bed. I've had to consciously stop myself from using my finger nails to pry stuff.
This whole detox process is very strange... I had hardly any skin/nail signs of Vitamin A toxicity before I removed Vitamin A from my diet, and since I did remove it I've got all these new issues that come and go. The one long-running skin issue I had before starting the diet was a dry patch of skin on one of my big toes that had been there for years (I suppose it's very mild eczema?). It got much worse after a while on the diet, and the dryness seemed to spread between a number of other toes at one point, but now that patch finally seems to be disappearing after 11 months on my low VA diet. Yet the onycholysis seems to be slowly worsening at the same time.
These patterns are what make me think that skin symptoms, pain, and other bodily discomforts are clear signs of detox, and they very well might be a part of the process that can't be avoided if you're going to be rid of the toxicity in an efficient time frame. As an endurance athlete, an oxalate toxicity endurer, and now a Vitamin A toxicity endurer, I'm pretty sure that the idiom "no pain, no gain" is quite valid, but it's definitely important to moderate the pain in order to reap the most gains. The folks who are slow-playing the detox process in an attempt to minimize symptoms may spend the rest of their lives trying to get rid of whatever's built up in their bodies...maybe they have to because their bodies can't take any more insult, or maybe they incorrectly associate a lack of symptoms with progress.
Treating onycholysis? Eliminate the root cause, which seems to be Vitamin A toxicity in my case.
Other than that, I would keep your nails trimmed as short as possible to reduce forces on the distal end of the nail from pulling the nail farther away from the nail bed. I've had to consciously stop myself from using my finger nails to pry stuff.
This whole detox process is very strange... I had hardly any skin/nail signs of Vitamin A toxicity before I removed Vitamin A from my diet, and since I did remove it I've got all these new issues that come and go. The one long-running skin issue I had before starting the diet was a dry patch of skin on one of my big toes that had been there for years (I suppose it's very mild eczema?). It got much worse after a while on the diet, and the dryness seemed to spread between a number of other toes at one point, but now that patch finally seems to be disappearing after 11 months on my low VA diet. Yet the onycholysis seems to be slowly worsening at the same time.
These patterns are what make me think that skin symptoms, pain, and other bodily discomforts are clear signs of detox, and they very well might be a part of the process that can't be avoided if you're going to be rid of the toxicity in an efficient time frame. As an endurance athlete, an oxalate toxicity endurer, and now a Vitamin A toxicity endurer, I'm pretty sure that the idiom "no pain, no gain" is quite valid, but it's definitely important to moderate the pain in order to reap the most gains. The folks who are slow-playing the detox process in an attempt to minimize symptoms may spend the rest of their lives trying to get rid of whatever's built up in their bodies...maybe they have to because their bodies can't take any more insult, or maybe they incorrectly associate a lack of symptoms with progress.
Quote from wavygravygadzooks on June 29, 2021, 12:40 pm@are
Haha, echoing my sentiments. I paid for a month of the "Advanced Course" and most of what I saw was additional conjecture and Smith ad-libbing for hours on video that was basically a complete waste of my time.
While I don't think Smith is scheming to become a millionaire with his website, and I do think he is honestly doing his best to help people, his site is very poorly organized and is chock full of conjecture that requires careful consideration. It would be nice to have a table that ranked his ideas by strength of clinical evidence and strength of peer-reviewed evidence.
@are
Haha, echoing my sentiments. I paid for a month of the "Advanced Course" and most of what I saw was additional conjecture and Smith ad-libbing for hours on video that was basically a complete waste of my time.
While I don't think Smith is scheming to become a millionaire with his website, and I do think he is honestly doing his best to help people, his site is very poorly organized and is chock full of conjecture that requires careful consideration. It would be nice to have a table that ranked his ideas by strength of clinical evidence and strength of peer-reviewed evidence.
Quote from grapes on June 29, 2021, 1:13 pm@jaj , thank you for your input and suggestions, I will research on cholestasis. How did you know you have this condition? Was conventional medicine of any help on this for you?
@jaj , thank you for your input and suggestions, I will research on cholestasis. How did you know you have this condition? Was conventional medicine of any help on this for you?
Quote from Jenny on June 29, 2021, 1:33 pmAs I say I’m only trying to help people. I just wanted to let people know about what I consider to be a HUGE leap in my understanding. I don’t like to hear about people suffering unnecessarily.
@grapes all conventional medicine did for me was put me on symptom suppressing drugs. My main symptom has been acute anxiety attacks unrelated to life events - toxicity getting up to the brain I now believe. I get given SSRIs....they increase cholestasis and I get acute vA toxicity symptoms. Well done conventional medicine. It’s great for acute life saving situations but not for chronic imbalances.
As I say I’m only trying to help people. I just wanted to let people know about what I consider to be a HUGE leap in my understanding. I don’t like to hear about people suffering unnecessarily.
@grapes all conventional medicine did for me was put me on symptom suppressing drugs. My main symptom has been acute anxiety attacks unrelated to life events - toxicity getting up to the brain I now believe. I get given SSRIs....they increase cholestasis and I get acute vA toxicity symptoms. Well done conventional medicine. It’s great for acute life saving situations but not for chronic imbalances.
Quote from grapes on June 29, 2021, 1:34 pmQuote from wavygravygadzooks on June 29, 2021, 11:22 amOther than that, I would keep your nails trimmed as short as possible to reduce forces on the distal end of the nail from pulling the nail farther away from the nail bed. I've had to consciously stop myself from using my finger nails to pry stuff.
This whole detox process is very strange... I had hardly any skin/nail signs of Vitamin A toxicity before I removed Vitamin A from my diet, and since I did remove it I've got all these new issues that come and go.
That looks similar to me, my feet nails condition & eczema are my most notable detox symptoms I think. I could not go on with the diet cause I was accumulating too much iron, it's really difficult to avoid A without getting too much of it.
Quote from wavygravygadzooks on June 29, 2021, 11:22 amOther than that, I would keep your nails trimmed as short as possible to reduce forces on the distal end of the nail from pulling the nail farther away from the nail bed. I've had to consciously stop myself from using my finger nails to pry stuff.
This whole detox process is very strange... I had hardly any skin/nail signs of Vitamin A toxicity before I removed Vitamin A from my diet, and since I did remove it I've got all these new issues that come and go.
That looks similar to me, my feet nails condition & eczema are my most notable detox symptoms I think. I could not go on with the diet cause I was accumulating too much iron, it's really difficult to avoid A without getting too much of it.
Quote from saraleah11 on June 30, 2021, 4:58 amI am approaching 2 years low VA, and reading this thread with extreme interest. As to healing wavygravygadzoo makes a good point when he says we could be incorrectly confusing a lack of symptoms with progress. How do we really know? I would love to see a best practices guide in one place.
The improvements overall are reduction in lifelong anxiety. My skin has improved dramatically, including toenails. Hair much thicker, still silver. I have found that I cannot handle too many carbs, too much fiber, and lowering FODMAPS helped a lot. I get fiber from a few vegetables and can tolerate sourdough Rye crisps. I have little tolerance for beans and most grains. My skin condition comes back quickly- is it detox, or not, I dont know. I monitor my blood sugar and basically eat low A the way the Diabetes doc Dr Bernstein has diabetic patients eat carbs- 6 grams for breakfast, 12 grams each for lunch and dinner. I avoid seed oils, use a little Olive oil. Rarely have butter or ghee.
This is a slow road. The beginning was awful, on and off for a year and 1/2. I certainly understand setbacks. I have an extreme family history of Pancreatic Cancer, I haven't had genetic testing, don't want to know. Wonder if it its related, has anyone here seen science about that? My autoimmune condition is in remission, no medications, no steroids. My family is very short lived because of heart disease and cancer.
I am overall happy with this diet even if progress is slow. I hope we find the detox answer together it may be something simple- a certain enzyme?
July will be 2 yr mark, right after I turn 65, could be aging far more rapidly than I am. Still go regularly to the gym, am very fit and feel great, no medications. Very grateful for Grant and all of you sharing your experiences.
I am approaching 2 years low VA, and reading this thread with extreme interest. As to healing wavygravygadzoo makes a good point when he says we could be incorrectly confusing a lack of symptoms with progress. How do we really know? I would love to see a best practices guide in one place.
The improvements overall are reduction in lifelong anxiety. My skin has improved dramatically, including toenails. Hair much thicker, still silver. I have found that I cannot handle too many carbs, too much fiber, and lowering FODMAPS helped a lot. I get fiber from a few vegetables and can tolerate sourdough Rye crisps. I have little tolerance for beans and most grains. My skin condition comes back quickly- is it detox, or not, I dont know. I monitor my blood sugar and basically eat low A the way the Diabetes doc Dr Bernstein has diabetic patients eat carbs- 6 grams for breakfast, 12 grams each for lunch and dinner. I avoid seed oils, use a little Olive oil. Rarely have butter or ghee.
This is a slow road. The beginning was awful, on and off for a year and 1/2. I certainly understand setbacks. I have an extreme family history of Pancreatic Cancer, I haven't had genetic testing, don't want to know. Wonder if it its related, has anyone here seen science about that? My autoimmune condition is in remission, no medications, no steroids. My family is very short lived because of heart disease and cancer.
I am overall happy with this diet even if progress is slow. I hope we find the detox answer together it may be something simple- a certain enzyme?
July will be 2 yr mark, right after I turn 65, could be aging far more rapidly than I am. Still go regularly to the gym, am very fit and feel great, no medications. Very grateful for Grant and all of you sharing your experiences.
Quote from zerocool on August 17, 2021, 7:09 pm@ggenereux2014 First, what an amazing 7 yr update! I'd like to add honey to the list below...have added caveats at the end as well.
Source:https://butternutrition.com/vitamin-a-detox-diet/
I think this is what you might be looking for:
"PROTEINS
beef
chicken
turkey
bison
select seafood (pink seafood like salmon and shrimp contain the most vitamin A)
FATS
butter
olive oil
coconut oil
coconut milk
dark chocolate (not milk chocolate)
VEGETABLES (REMOVE PEELS IF THEY ARE COLORFUL)
cauliflower
parsnips
white potatoes
zucchini
cucumber
onions
garlic
FRUITS (PEELED IS PREFERRED)
apples
pears
bananas
raisins
dried cranberries
pineapple
blueberries
raspberries
kiwi
strawberries
lemons/limes
GRAINS (ORGANIC ONLY, GLYPHOSATE FOUND IN INORGANIC GRAINS MAY EXACERBATE THE VITAMIN A ISSUE) [11]
oats
white rice
slow fermented sourdough bread (organic only!)
quinoa
amaranth
other gluten-free organic grains
LEGUMES
all beans except green beans, peas and mung beans
NUTS
most nuts"
I would add most seafood is going to be a no go(white fish may be ok?), and poultry must have the skin removed and be eaten in moderation. And animal fats will be better than butter, coconut oil in my experience.
Hope this helps people!
@ggenereux2014 First, what an amazing 7 yr update! I'd like to add honey to the list below...have added caveats at the end as well.
Source:https://butternutrition.com/vitamin-a-detox-diet/
I think this is what you might be looking for:
"PROTEINS
beef
chicken
turkey
bison
select seafood (pink seafood like salmon and shrimp contain the most vitamin A)
FATS
butter
olive oil
coconut oil
coconut milk
dark chocolate (not milk chocolate)
VEGETABLES (REMOVE PEELS IF THEY ARE COLORFUL)
cauliflower
parsnips
white potatoes
zucchini
cucumber
onions
garlic
FRUITS (PEELED IS PREFERRED)
apples
pears
bananas
raisins
dried cranberries
pineapple
blueberries
raspberries
kiwi
strawberries
lemons/limes
GRAINS (ORGANIC ONLY, GLYPHOSATE FOUND IN INORGANIC GRAINS MAY EXACERBATE THE VITAMIN A ISSUE) [11]
oats
white rice
slow fermented sourdough bread (organic only!)
quinoa
amaranth
other gluten-free organic grains
LEGUMES
all beans except green beans, peas and mung beans
NUTS
most nuts"
I would add most seafood is going to be a no go(white fish may be ok?), and poultry must have the skin removed and be eaten in moderation. And animal fats will be better than butter, coconut oil in my experience.
Hope this helps people!
Quote from salt on August 17, 2021, 7:27 pmQuote from zerocool on August 17, 2021, 7:09 pm@ggenereux2014 First, what an amazing 7 yr update! I'd like to add honey to the list below...have added caveats at the end as well.
Source:https://butternutrition.com/vitamin-a-detox-diet/
I think this is what you might be looking for:
"PROTEINS
beef
chicken
turkey
bison
select seafood (pink seafood like salmon and shrimp contain the most vitamin A)
FATS
butter
olive oil
coconut oil
coconut milk
dark chocolate (not milk chocolate)
VEGETABLES (REMOVE PEELS IF THEY ARE COLORFUL)
cauliflower
parsnips
white potatoes
zucchini
cucumber
onions
garlic
FRUITS (PEELED IS PREFERRED)
apples
pears
bananas
raisins
dried cranberries
pineapple
blueberries
raspberries
kiwi
strawberries
lemons/limes
GRAINS (ORGANIC ONLY, GLYPHOSATE FOUND IN INORGANIC GRAINS MAY EXACERBATE THE VITAMIN A ISSUE) [11]
oats
white rice
slow fermented sourdough bread (organic only!)
quinoa
amaranth
other gluten-free organic grains
LEGUMES
all beans except green beans, peas and mung beans
NUTS
most nuts"
I would add most seafood is going to be a no go(white fish may be ok?), and poultry must have the skin removed and be eaten in moderation. And animal fats will be better than butter, coconut oil in my experience.
Hope this helps people!
Butter is a big no-no, it's one of the worst things you could possibly eat in terms of vitamin A.
Quote from zerocool on August 17, 2021, 7:09 pm@ggenereux2014 First, what an amazing 7 yr update! I'd like to add honey to the list below...have added caveats at the end as well.
Source:https://butternutrition.com/vitamin-a-detox-diet/
I think this is what you might be looking for:
"PROTEINS
beef
chicken
turkey
bison
select seafood (pink seafood like salmon and shrimp contain the most vitamin A)
FATS
butter
olive oil
coconut oil
coconut milk
dark chocolate (not milk chocolate)
VEGETABLES (REMOVE PEELS IF THEY ARE COLORFUL)
cauliflower
parsnips
white potatoes
zucchini
cucumber
onions
garlic
FRUITS (PEELED IS PREFERRED)
apples
pears
bananas
raisins
dried cranberries
pineapple
blueberries
raspberries
kiwi
strawberries
lemons/limes
GRAINS (ORGANIC ONLY, GLYPHOSATE FOUND IN INORGANIC GRAINS MAY EXACERBATE THE VITAMIN A ISSUE) [11]
oats
white rice
slow fermented sourdough bread (organic only!)
quinoa
amaranth
other gluten-free organic grains
LEGUMES
all beans except green beans, peas and mung beans
NUTS
most nuts"
I would add most seafood is going to be a no go(white fish may be ok?), and poultry must have the skin removed and be eaten in moderation. And animal fats will be better than butter, coconut oil in my experience.
Hope this helps people!
Butter is a big no-no, it's one of the worst things you could possibly eat in terms of vitamin A.
Quote from zerocool on August 17, 2021, 7:35 pmYeah, this is not my list...just thought it was a good one to work from. I only eat tallow and other animal fats rendered from animals that has no vitamin A. But some people may tolerate coconut oil. That's why I added the caveat at the end but thanks, I contemplated editing the list. Also, feel free to make a better list. That's what this topic is for. He wants a basic diet for people... but no one seemed to do that xD so I was just trying to help. This is a starting point feel free to refine it.
Yeah, this is not my list...just thought it was a good one to work from. I only eat tallow and other animal fats rendered from animals that has no vitamin A. But some people may tolerate coconut oil. That's why I added the caveat at the end but thanks, I contemplated editing the list. Also, feel free to make a better list. That's what this topic is for. He wants a basic diet for people... but no one seemed to do that xD so I was just trying to help. This is a starting point feel free to refine it.
Quote from lil chick on August 18, 2021, 4:41 amPersonally, I don't think there is a fat without a problem. Hubs and I have become less and less tolerant of fats. I never thought I'd see the day when I'd go lower fats, but here we are. I've found that many fats just don't taste good to me. But food needs a little fat for proper mouth feel. So when I absolutely need to add a fat, it's butter, because it tastes the best to me of all the fats.
It kind of irks me how you can't really make cookies and pies and crackers without a lot of fat-- I wish I could solve that. I end up buying them instead, haha, because I can't figure out what would be good to use, which of course means cheap fats that probably are horrible health-wise. But at least they don't taste weird like coconut or olive or lard.
Of course some fats come along with meats, although I do buy the meats that aren't super high in fats--for instance, we've cut out bacon, :'( I eat peanuts and other nuts so I suppose I get fat from those.
I like dairy products and tolerate them well. I eat a little cheese, not a lot, like a slice for a hamburger. It's strange that I don't miss ice cream and haven't had any. I like milk and I drink a little skim raw milk, less than a cup a day.
Personally, I don't think there is a fat without a problem. Hubs and I have become less and less tolerant of fats. I never thought I'd see the day when I'd go lower fats, but here we are. I've found that many fats just don't taste good to me. But food needs a little fat for proper mouth feel. So when I absolutely need to add a fat, it's butter, because it tastes the best to me of all the fats.
It kind of irks me how you can't really make cookies and pies and crackers without a lot of fat-- I wish I could solve that. I end up buying them instead, haha, because I can't figure out what would be good to use, which of course means cheap fats that probably are horrible health-wise. But at least they don't taste weird like coconut or olive or lard.
Of course some fats come along with meats, although I do buy the meats that aren't super high in fats--for instance, we've cut out bacon, :'( I eat peanuts and other nuts so I suppose I get fat from those.
I like dairy products and tolerate them well. I eat a little cheese, not a lot, like a slice for a hamburger. It's strange that I don't miss ice cream and haven't had any. I like milk and I drink a little skim raw milk, less than a cup a day.