Quote from lil chick on October 19, 2019, 6:51 pm

Thank you for explaining that, Sophie!

Quote from bludicka on October 19, 2019, 11:57 pm

Quote from Sophie on October 19, 2019, 2:49 pm

Lil chick I got a carpal boss: like a little extra lump of bone grew on my hand. Its not carpal tunnel.

I have some nerve issues too. The trying low oxalate group have a lot of info on how oxalates deplete b vitamins. Especially b1 and b6

I think I need to forget about vitamin A for now and just focus on oxalates and see how that goes

Oxalates deplete biotin and lysine too - I was very often deficient in lysine, be careful with B6 - can be toxic in relativ low doses, some people in low oxalate group have become toxic.

Quote from Sophie on October 20, 2019, 2:13 pm

Thank you, yes I just recently heard about that with b6. I'll avoid supplementing that. I've tried biotin but it gave me horribly oily skin on a low dose.

Quote from lil chick on October 20, 2019, 2:39 pm

I've never found b vitamin supps easy to manage.   I'm so turned off of all supps that I'd much rather just drink my daily glass of raw milk.

As for oxalates, it could be I should avoid potato chips.  It could be that I relate them to foot cramps.    Other than that, I wouldn't guess that my oxalate load is particularly high.

Quote from bludicka on October 20, 2019, 9:53 pm

Quote from lil chick on October 20, 2019, 2:39 pm

As for oxalates, it could be I should avoid potato chips.  It could be that I relate them to foot cramps.    Other than that, I wouldn't guess that my oxalate load is particularly high.

If I eat too many potatoes, the next day I have the urge to pee even if the bladder is empty and it's a little painful and there is burning.

Quote from Orion on October 21, 2019, 6:48 am

Quote from Sophie on October 20, 2019, 2:13 pm

Thank you, yes I just recently heard about that with b6. I'll avoid supplementing that. I've tried biotin but it gave me horribly oily skin on a low dose.

Same here, biotin pushes carb metabolism hard, so fat metabolism goes down, extra oily sebum for the skin is the one symptom.

Quote from Sarabeth on October 21, 2019, 9:18 pm

That is fascinating about oxalates depleting biotin and lysine. My kids have had years' worth of horrible rashes that I finally blamed on weird herpes flares. Sometimes the horrible, disgusting, painful rashes lasted all winter. 🙁 What finally helped them (symptomatically, anyway - not getting to the root of things) was high doses of lysine and monolaurin at the onset of the rash.

Right now, one of my kids (the one I suspect has the worst time with oxalates) is also battling a face rash - I've been hesitant to dose with lysine and monolaurin because I've wanted to see where this Low A thing will get us. But the rash is sticking around, so I'm thinking I'll give some more.

What are the B6 toxicity effects? I have been debating whether to stop these cold turkey (I take high doses of zinc picolinate and B6/P5P, as do two of my kids). I feel like A toxicity may be underlying our apparently large need for these things...but I am loath to discover that our symptoms come back without the supps...

Quote from bludicka on October 22, 2019, 12:50 am

Quote from Sarabeth on October 21, 2019, 9:18 pm

What are the B6 toxicity effects? I have been debating whether to stop these cold turkey (I take high doses of zinc picolinate and B6/P5P, as do two of my kids). I feel like A toxicity may be underlying our apparently large need for these things...but I am loath to discover that our symptoms come back without the supps...

This is from FB group "Exploring B6 toxicity": 

VITAMIN B6 (Pyridoxine Hydrochloride or Pyridoxal-5-Phosphate) TOXICITY is a very unrecognized but emerging epidemic that can cause widespread neurological damage to the body. It is not commonly recognized by most of the medical community and is often misdiagnosed. B6 toxicity can cause multiple different symptoms that can vary from person to person. Vitamin B6 is added to a variety of supplements and common food and drinks in amounts that would not normally be consumed in an average person’s diet. The (Recommended Daily Amount) RDA for B6 is around 1.3mg with much larger amounts being added to foods, drinks, and supplements. This large increase in fortification and supplement usage over the past decade or more has caused many to develop Vitamin B6 Toxicity. Since much of the medical community is not knowledgeable or even aware of the dangers of Vitamin B6 usage, many are never tested for it or even questioned on their current or past supplement usage when symptoms present. Many are misdiagnosed or never diagnosed at all (Idiopathic). For this reason, this group exists, as a place to increase awareness and share facts and experiences about Vitamin B6 Toxicity.

• TYPICAL SYMPTOMS OF B6 TOXICITY

Not everyone experiences the same symptoms and these can vary dramatically from person to person.

NEURO: Peripheral neuropathy or nerve damage to the feet, legs or hands is one of the most common symptoms of Vitamin B6 Toxicity.

-Tingling, shocks/zaps, vibrations, ataxia, burning, numbness of feet, calves and/or hands, and headaches are also commonly reported.

Other areas of the body sometimes affected are:

OCULAR: Visual disturbances, ocular mirgraines (or migraine with aura), blurry vision (in one eye or both), “Visual Snow.”

SENSORY /MOTOR: Trouble walking, heaviness of legs, sudden dizziness, ataxia, feeling like you are walking aboard a boat, proprioceptive difficulties.

SKIN: rashes, itchy skin, goosebumps, hair Loss, tingling scalp/face.

GASTROINTESTINAL ISSUES: Acid reflux, heartburn, indigestion, burning upper chest area, burning sensation of throat, mouth, tongue and/or lips.

PSYCHOLOGICAL: Anxiety, restlessness, insomnia, depression, OCD disorder, possible agoraphobia

NOTE: Vitamin B6 Toxicity can very much mirror symptoms of Diabetes or Multiple Sclerosis (MS), so do not be surprised if your doctor wants to test you for these when you present with your symptoms. We are not saying you should forego testing for these, as you should always heed what your doctor suggests. Many, however, upon testing negative for these, have been able to talk to their doctor about Vitamin B6 Toxicity as a possibility, test for it, and become relieved when they find out they do not have such a life-long and progressive disease to cope with.

• IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE B6 TOXICITY, GET TESTED!

Vitamin B6 levels can be tested by a doctor or in many countries, by oneself through a private lab. VITAMIN B6 LEVELS DO NOT STAY ELEVATED FOR LONG after stopping supplements due to the short half-life of 15-20 days. (Two to four weeks for most). For this reason, it is important to immediately obtain Vitamin B6 blood levels if one suspects B6 Toxicity. Each day after stopping supplements, levels will fall rapidly IN MOST people.

Quote from puddleduck on October 25, 2019, 4:47 am

I’ve recently purchased Dr. Smith’s Vitamin A Detox Program (currently it’s a one time fee of $39.99 for access to his private forum, and some of his conclusions about the detox process so far). It was only just updated this week to provide new dietary recommendations with a detailed explination of the ADH and ALDH stuff Grant has been writing about here and in his recent blog post. It’s VERY insightful, and I will be implementing all of Dr. Smith’s new recomendations ASAP.