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AI take on virology
Here is my version of AI:
Twin One: Why am I sick and my twin isn't?
Doc: You caught the virus and she didn't.
Twin Two: But we share every part of our lives including having the same environment, DNA and blood system. How can that be?
Doc: One brain detected the virus and one brain didn't.
Twin Two: So I have the virus and I'm not fighting it? OMG I'm going to die!
(Two weeks later) Twin Two: I didn't die! I never even felt sick!
Twin One: Wow that was weird. Hey Doc, are you sure you know what is going on here? What is a virus? Show us a virus!
Doc: I can't, they only exist inside your living cells, becoming part of the machinery of the cell.
Twin Two: If they are only alive inside living cells, and not alive otherwise, how do you know they exist?
Doc: Because you get sick!
Twin Two: But I didn't get sick!
Doc: I'll do this PCR test on your cells.
Cary Mullis: The PCR test can find anything you look for, if you do it enough times.
Doc: How about if we sell you this nice shot and you won't get that disease anymore!
Twins: Ok! (receives a shot). Gee that shot made us feel like crap, but it's worth it, right?
(Next Year) Twins: Doc one of us is sick again, why didn't the shot work?
Doc: It mutated.
Twins: How do you know if it mutated if it can't be analyzed outside of a living cell--an intricate part of its DNA, running it like the demon in the exorcist runs Linda Blair?
Doc: The PCR test.
Cary Mullis: NOT
Doc: Here, buy this anti-viral!
Twins: If viruses are only are only alive inside my cells, won't that harm my cells?
Doc: Well, they do have some serious side effects...
Mother: Here kids have some chicken soup
Quote from Joe2 on December 10, 2024, 12:03 amhttps://dailynewsfromaolf.substack.com/p/the-wonder-twins-six-examples-of
Wow thanks for this!! More proof that virus theory is just wrong. During covid I was around my parents who were coughing, I didn't get it at all. If it's so contagious why didn't I get it? I wasn't the shining picture of health though I wasn't that bad and trying to limit vit A. families get sick together when they are going through the same stressor together. If you aren't going through it with that person then no sickness.
During early post-covid times I had a coworker who was often sneezing with a running nose. Although the office room was spacious and we were separated by at least 10 meters, I would almost immediately start to have a running nose myself. Although something similar could happen to me with other people, it was never that pronounced, it happened to me invariantly every time that person was sick. Did I get sick myself? No. It only lasted as long I was in the same office with them.
The explanation I can imagine would be something along : sick people excrete some toxins, other people catching them start detoxification process, and depending on their toxic load they get sick or not. Maybe homeopathy with it's micro-dosing could have something in common with this mechanism.
Quote from Mattias2 on December 10, 2024, 12:18 amThe point being made in the first post of this thread is that virus theory has never been properly evidenced. It's based on belief.
Alternative explanations may be woo-woo, but that's beside the point.
Every individual's model of reality is based on their beliefs. Science is a process that tests the beliefs of individuals against reality by removing subjectivity from the equation. Science is a never-ending process and we have much to learn about virology and pathogens. Doubtless some ideas that currently dominate will turn out to be wrong. A healthy skepticism is beneficial.
Generally speaking, "woo-woo" explanations are those that have either not withstood scientific scrutiny, or are yet to be tested with scientific rigor but are not expected to withstand scientific scrutiny based on existing scientific knowledge. A small fraction may turn out to have validity.
The major problem here is that people are rejecting well-functioning scientific models like germ theory and virology and replacing them with complete trash, without acknowledging they're replacing them with complete trash. It's a ludicrously unbalanced double standard. In order to replace the existing model you have to offer a better model, not just wave your hands around and throw out half-baked ideas.
Quote from Joe2 on December 10, 2024, 12:03 amhttps://dailynewsfromaolf.substack.com/p/the-wonder-twins-six-examples-of
These anecdotes generate lots of interesting questions, the most obvious being: how does the immune system of conjoined twins function compared with that of a "normal" person. These anecdotes prove absolutely nothing about the general population of humans though.
Quote from lil chick on December 10, 2024, 7:07 amQuote from Mattias2 on December 10, 2024, 12:18 amThe point being made in the first post of this thread is that virus theory has never been properly evidenced. It's based on belief.
Alternative explanations may be woo-woo, but that's beside the point.
@tricky I think this is an interesting challenge! I'd like to see you parse apart the AI's logic, that no virus isolation has ever occurred without those things being added (which cloud the issue)
@mattias2 I agree that there are two different discussions going on here 1. that shenanigans might be going on with regards to viral research 2. what are viruses
I mentioned Cary Mullis back a page or two and his point of view, and hey I'm not an expert, but I think his point of view was that HIV doesn't cause aids, and that the PCR test can find whatever you want it to find if you do it enough times. (and he worked on the invention of it) I don't think he was saying that there were people out there with busted immune systems (aids), just that HIV wasn't the culprit.
First, I don't know if that's true. Some would consider isolating the same genetic sequences over and over again from different sources under the right conditions to be sufficient.
Supposing it is true that we lack sufficient isolation of the variable we call a virus, that does not prove the concept of virology wrong. It just means we currently lack that level of evidence.
As I've said in my other posts, I've never made the claim our understanding of virology is perfect. But there is no competing model I'm aware of that comes anywhere close to providing the explanatory and predictive power of the current model.
Even a good wall often has small gaps in it, and it doesn't take much of a brain to point them out. Most brains couldn't build a better wall though, or one at all.
Quote from grapes on December 10, 2024, 1:58 pmDuring early post-covid times I had a coworker who was often sneezing with a running nose. Although the office room was spacious and we were separated by at least 10 meters, I would almost immediately start to have a running nose myself. Although something similar could happen to me with other people, it was never that pronounced, it happened to me invariantly every time that person was sick. Did I get sick myself? No. It only lasted as long I was in the same office with them.
The explanation I can imagine would be something along : sick people excrete some toxins, other people catching them start detoxification process, and depending on their toxic load they get sick or not. Maybe homeopathy with it's micro-dosing could have something in common with this mechanism.
Or maybe that is just your immune system doing its job by attempting to flush out viral particles from your nostrils...
I know a pair of identical twins and they actually don't really seem the same when they are side-by-side. Life isn't fair, and I guess that probably in any pair of twins (but actually especially conjoined twins) one of the twins is the dominant twin. And with conjoined twins, that competition for resources goes on and on. As much as we think of them as identical, as soon as twins split they do go down different life paths, which although similar, might have different challenges.
Does one twin get the pick of the nutrients first? Does one twin have a twisted spine because of the way they are joined? Does one twin handle all the peeing for both? Does one twin have a smaller rib cage? Is one twin missing a spleen?
"we have much to learn about virology and pathogens." That they couldn't figure out already in the last 150 years of 24/7 funding and countless Nobel prizes? Polio, AIDS alone, how many billions? For something that is allegedly sitting right in front of them and having nanometer size, a magnitude with which microbiologists and chip makers are comfortable with nowadays.
"The major problem here is that people are rejecting well-functioning scientific models like germ theory and virology and replacing them with complete trash,"
The model is pretty clear, Mr. Genereux bases much of his work on it, it's toxicity, in all its forms. Janelle chose to opt out from the injections and improve her lifestyle, a real world consequence of changing models, no major problem detected.
"In order to replace the existing model you have to offer a better model,". Personal responsibility is the here and now; the NIH won't come around any time soon. The existing model is poisoning for profits, Mr. Genereux and others are offering a better model.
"But there is no competing model I'm aware of that comes anywhere close to providing the explanatory and predictive power of the current model."
It has no predictive power, they can't even replicate contagion, its core tenet. Explanatory power is easy to come by when you can make the story up as you go along, and shut down competing voices by brute force, as in the last four and a half years.
"Or maybe that is just your immune system doing its job by attempting to flush out viral particles from your nostrils..."
If it were that easy, they would have found them by now. Isolated them, at least once. Played with them, give mice the cold by them. Found ways to instantly detect and neutralize them. There would be no holes in the wall.
Tricky Turkey said: "Science is a process that tests the beliefs of individuals against reality by removing subjectivity from the equation. "
Tricky, that is why we need to keep you here. You believe in, and are proud of science--and for good reason.
The problem is that in the real world, science takes a back seat to profits, not just sometimes but many times! And the tower of science becomes a leaning tower because the lower floors are askew. But you are right to make sure that high standards are kept up.
Between woo on one side and profits on the other, people need to keep real science going. This will only happen with personal responsibility.
On another note, there was once an interesting post here about one of our finest noticing that he was having un-wellness after sex with a covid-vaxed person. Shedding. Shedding isn't new either, it's a known thing. It used to be that people believed that shedding only happened after a live virus shot. But, I think there have been some studies now showing shedding is for real after the MRNA shots. One study that I'm thinking of ...showed that unvaxed women in proximity to vaxed women were having the same odd period changes. (that no one expected from the MRNA shots in the first place).
When I put this together with what I just wrote for Orion about breath and fresh air being important for detox, the two together say something interesting. Perhaps the vaxed women are detoxing the shot through breath, and the unvaxed women nearby are picking up the toxins.
So I guess breath is one of the ways we really do end up mimicking one another. Women's periods lining up? Maybe they are detoxing hormones via breath and over time yes, the cycles (which are malleable) sync up.
When someone detoxes something really bad via breath, and you breathe it in, perhaps your body does go through the same woes. Whether it is glass, parasite, hormone, spike protein, or even VA. Especially if your immune system is in hyper-drive. I wonder if bad breath is a warning. I've noticed strange smells coming off me sometimes during this detox.