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#161 · April 8, 2024, 7:39 am

If they are iodine deficient then yeah of course more iodine is helpful. My argument is around what is sufficient and what is excessive. You are right that many people are iodine deficient. I emphasise the importance of having a sufficient daily intake. I cringe when people are following diets that contain no iodized salt, no eggs, no dairy and no seafood. I don't think it's a good idea to supplement more than the RDA though.

Inland Chinese have a similar body type to Japanese though?

I think it's partly genetic and partly environmental.

They have a rice based diet with less sugar and fat which decreases choline requirements and makes them less susceptible to NAFLD (which leads to hormone imbalance) which causes the symptoms you described.

They have an overall healthier diet, more vegetables, more seafood, less dairy.

I agree though that iodine may play a significant role.

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#162 · April 8, 2024, 8:04 am

Quote from lil chick on April 8, 2024, 7:23 am

I suppose you could compare the diet of Sumo wrestlers to find out how they manage to get so large.

Here you go. 🙂 Basically they eat a lot and outside of training don't do much. Mostly sleep or eat. 😀

#163 · April 8, 2024, 8:21 am

Quote from Janelle525 on April 8, 2024, 8:21 am

Quote from tim on April 8, 2024, 7:39 am

@jiri

If they are iodine deficient then yeah of course more iodine is helpful. My argument is around what is sufficient and what is excessive. You are right that many people are iodine deficient. I emphasise the importance of having a sufficient daily intake. I cringe when people are following diets that contain no iodized salt, no eggs, no dairy and no seafood. I don't think it's a good idea to supplement more than the RDA though.

Inland Chinese have a similar body type to Japanese though?

I think it's partly genetic and partly environmental.

They have a rice based diet with less sugar and fat which decreases choline requirements and makes them less susceptible to NAFLD (which leads to hormone imbalance) which causes the symptoms you described.

They have an overall healthier diet, more vegetables, more seafood, less dairy.

I agree though that iodine may play a significant role.

I've been saving quotes from you! I think you understand health better than most people. Not that I agree with every single thing you say, but I don't think there is anyone we will agree with 100% of what they say. But I did want to chime in that I agree that supplemental unphysiological amounts of iodine is silly. I used to do that back when I knew barely anything about health. I'd get some decent health improvements right way, but nothing that would 'stick' so basically it's a drug like effect. We have to understand that anything that only works when you take it like that then it's not because you were deficient, it's doing something beyond nutritional. Which can be fine I suppose, I did with that vitamin C for yrs and yrs, but in the end I was in no better health than anyone else. We need to see things larger picture.

And this is anecdotal, but I don't have a big butt or thighs and I only eat seafood maybe twice a month and have been avoiding eggs, but my diet was always heavy in dairy. On the low vita A diet I tried to be low dairy but I think it wasn't working. I'm back on some dairy and feeling much better. If it's iodine I'd be curious to see if other sources would do the same. I have a kelp supplement that I just didn't feel right ever taking. I just don't enjoy being tied to a pill bottle at all. I think food sources are so much better. I may try sardines, I just had a bad experience one time when I was pregnant 12 yrs ago where I had a can of sardines and got like a histamine reaction, felt awful. I like the smoked ones the best and smoked fish is high in methanol which turns into formaldehyde in the body. I will try more fresh sardines.

Quote from tim on April 8, 2024, 7:39 am

@jiri

If they are iodine deficient then yeah of course more iodine is helpful. My argument is around what is sufficient and what is excessive. You are right that many people are iodine deficient. I emphasise the importance of having a sufficient daily intake. I cringe when people are following diets that contain no iodized salt, no eggs, no dairy and no seafood. I don't think it's a good idea to supplement more than the RDA though.

Inland Chinese have a similar body type to Japanese though?

I think it's partly genetic and partly environmental.

They have a rice based diet with less sugar and fat which decreases choline requirements and makes them less susceptible to NAFLD (which leads to hormone imbalance) which causes the symptoms you described.

They have an overall healthier diet, more vegetables, more seafood, less dairy.

I agree though that iodine may play a significant role.

I've been saving quotes from you! I think you understand health better than most people. Not that I agree with every single thing you say, but I don't think there is anyone we will agree with 100% of what they say. But I did want to chime in that I agree that supplemental unphysiological amounts of iodine is silly. I used to do that back when I knew barely anything about health. I'd get some decent health improvements right way, but nothing that would 'stick' so basically it's a drug like effect. We have to understand that anything that only works when you take it like that then it's not because you were deficient, it's doing something beyond nutritional. Which can be fine I suppose, I did with that vitamin C for yrs and yrs, but in the end I was in no better health than anyone else. We need to see things larger picture.

And this is anecdotal, but I don't have a big butt or thighs and I only eat seafood maybe twice a month and have been avoiding eggs, but my diet was always heavy in dairy. On the low vita A diet I tried to be low dairy but I think it wasn't working. I'm back on some dairy and feeling much better. If it's iodine I'd be curious to see if other sources would do the same. I have a kelp supplement that I just didn't feel right ever taking. I just don't enjoy being tied to a pill bottle at all. I think food sources are so much better. I may try sardines, I just had a bad experience one time when I was pregnant 12 yrs ago where I had a can of sardines and got like a histamine reaction, felt awful. I like the smoked ones the best and smoked fish is high in methanol which turns into formaldehyde in the body. I will try more fresh sardines.

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#164 · April 8, 2024, 9:07 am

Quote from Janelle525 on April 8, 2024, 9:07 am

Quote from Luke on April 6, 2024, 4:47 pm

Quote from Janelle525 on April 6, 2024, 10:58 am

Quote from AlexM on April 5, 2024, 4:46 pm

Quote from Janelle525 on April 3, 2024, 11:19 am

Quote from AlexM on April 3, 2024, 10:20 am

Quote from Janelle525 on April 3, 2024, 7:44 am

Quote from Luke on April 2, 2024, 7:51 pm

If the metabolic and enzyme pathways of "Vitamin A" were genuinely undeniable facts, you would have no motive to participate in this forum, and certainly, you wouldn't subscribe to the belief that it is toxic. It's evident that you don't consider these Vitamin A pathways to be factual; otherwise, you wouldn't be present here.

I'm not sure, but doesn't seem like he believes vitamin A is toxic as he is taking a parapack supplement:

Vitamin A (as palmitate and 50% as beta carotene) 2000 IU
Vitamin C (as ascorbic acid) 60 mg
Vitamin E (as d-alpha tocopheryl succinate) 30 IU
Thiamine (as thiamine hydrochloride) 1.5 mg
Niacin (as niacinamide and 33% as niacin) 20 mg
Vitamin B6 (as pyridoxine hydrochloride) 2 mg
Folic Acid (as (6S)-5-methyltetrahydrofolic acid) 25 mcg
Biotin 75 mcg
Pantothenic Acid (as d-calcium pantothenate) 10 mg
Iodine (from kelp) 100 mcg
Zinc (TRAACS® zinc bisglycinate chelate†) 1 mg
Selenium (as L-selenomethionine) 20 mcg
Manganese (TRAACS® manganese bisglycinate chelate†) 1 mg
Potassium (from potassium gluconate and 50% as potassium glycinate complex) 10 mg
Citrus Bioflavonoid Complex (citrus aurantium L.) 50mg
Inositol 25 mg
Betaine (from betaine hydrochloride) 20 mg
L-Tyrosine 10 mg
L-lysine HCL 10 mg
L-Glutamic Acid 10 mg
L-Serine 5 mg
Pyruvate (from calcium pyruvate) 5 mg *
Whole Adrenal Glandular (bovine) 5 mg *
Whole Pituitary Glandular (bovine) 5 mg *
Whole Parotid Glandular (bovine) 5 mg *

@janelle525 I can speak for myself? Not really necessary to make these kind of comments. And you have a habit of doing stuff like this such as when you tweeted GS about something Jessica said.

Its like me saying oh and @janelle525 eats Ice Cream regularly which you do.

Every time I have gone through phases of eating lots of ice cream my health slowly declines. Where as with taking the Para Pack and the other mineral balancing supplements I have only seen improvements. So go figure..

It was actually a binge of ice cream eating 2 weeks ago ( I was eating two tubs a day for a few days), which felt great at the time until I had numbness and tingling in my legs by the end of it and felt lower metabolism from all the constant blood sugar spikes which prompted me to do that prolonged water fast that I found helpful.

So yeah rather than always bringing up I take a TEI supplement that has Vitamin A every time on here like its terrible, try TEIs programme for 3 months yourself first and I can bet you it will improve your health compared to what you're doing now with the ice cream and stuff.

I was making note that it doesn't appear you are here due to vitamin A toxicity stuff. Which is fine, you are free to post here. But it appears this forum has attracted people who don't really care about vitamin A toxicity. I'm unsure why. Maybe you are curious to see how it pans out. This thread itself isn't even about vitamin A anymore! I'm not 100% on board with vitamin A is always a toxin, but I do think people get plenty of 'fresh' retinol if they are eating animal foods, and to purposefully get more via supps or liver is crazy to me, I think that experiment is clearly a disaster for a lot of people. Also another reason I will never take vitamin A is that it oxidizes easily, it's not a stable substance so how can you put so much trust in a pill bottle? Have you done any research on this anhydroretinol thing? Or are you just going to trust TEI?

And why are you still binging on ice cream if the program is so successful? I don't feel the need to binge on dairy, I eat maximum 5 oz a day, never any more than that. That is the only dairy other than a pat of butter I have been eating. I don't even want cheese anymore, but unsure if my health is better since going lower in dairy I've ever been my entire life. It's the fat that I think can be an issue with dairy, same issue I have with sausage. Just clogs up the system if you are a slow oxidizer. Meat and starch/veggies and maybe a little lower fat cheese, is probably the healthiest diet for slow oxidizers, but as you have demonstrated, hard to stick to, so like someone said on my log, probably better to give yourself some leeway so that you don't binge.

@janelle525 I was here originally for the Vit A toxicity stuff as I did have bad Vit A toxicity from eating too many carrots nearly 2 years ago now, but I'm still interested in the topics suggested here. I have also never believed Vit A is a toxin right from the get go.

I might have explained this to you about 5 times already, but the whole point of the TEI supplements for slow oxidisers is to raise the oxidation rate, get the thyroid and adrenal glands working properly, so that the body now has the energy to start detoxing heavy metals and raise NA & K levels in the cells. It's not about getting extra Vitamin A from the supplement I don't know how many times I need to say this to you, I could eat some high Vitamin A foods without any TEI supplements vs taking the Parapack that has Vit A and they are not comparable. TEI are getting the thyroid to start working again with their supplements so that the Vit A is actually used properly and working as it should be. Before TEI my thyroid area felt as a hard a rock and on TEI my thyroid feels soft and that also resembles the changes in energy I had too.

A lot of your concerns seem to be fear based, and this is what happens when you're mainly exposed to only negative stuff about Vitamin A. About Vit A oxidising easily, well with no oxidation you have no immune system so we need oxidation, this is why we have an antioxidant system to balance things. What TEI are doing with their program is they are improving your body's own Antioxdant systems and improving the rate of oxidation in the body at the same time. Once they are both working better then the amount of Vit A in their supplement really doesn't become an issue.

Why do I still binge on ice cream sometimes, well it happens for a few reasons, mainly because when I'm in the shop I see some ice cream and think oh that would be nice (without any huge craving for it) so I buy it, but I have an addictive personality and I can't really stop myself from eating the whole tub at once, which is really bad. Then sometimes after eating one tub, I get huge cravings for more and more tubs in the next days like some drug addict. Other times when I've eaten too much red meat I crave calcium to block some of the iron so that would be another time where I eat ice cream. And lastly lets say I'm going through a detox reaction on TEI with heavy metals coming out, this can raise my glutamate levels and be quite stressful so sometimes I will crave ice cream in one of these detox reactions to feel more relaxed. But I would say now I'm barely having any ice cream compared to last summer, where I was stupidly binging like crazy.

Ok well thats good your eating only 5oz a day I can't see any major issues arising from that.

I still don't understand the science though, how can carrots poison you but when it's in a supplement make you healthy? I mean it's not a huge amount, but the logic doesn't make sense to me. Just because it's balanced with lots of vitamins and minerals doesn't make it healthy. This is completely new to the human body to manipulate our chemistry with supplements. Just think people survived the great depression and lived into old age with no bottles of beta carotene and b vitamins. I just think this is crazy. If the only time you feel your thyroid works is while taking it, that's not a sign it is making you healthy, it's a sign of a drug like reaction.

I understand the need to slow down detox, but maybe we shouldn't be forcing our body to do it unless we have some kind of documented heavy metal toxicity (as in mercury chelation).

Hi Janelle @janelle525

I fully agree that health cannot be encapsulated in a pill alone. However, it's crucial to recognize that modern challenges often call for modern solutions. Given the current state of environmental toxicity and the degradation of our food supply, many individuals find themselves in need of innovative approaches that go beyond dietary intake alone. I delve into this topic in my blog post on the use of supraphysiological doses of iodine and why it may be necessary. Relying solely on food for iodine intake in a world saturated with fluorine and bromine-based chemicals (such as PFAS and PFOS) is insufficient. We both agree that 25mg-50mg of iodine a day is completely unnatural. We both acknowledge that the need for such an "antidote" is not ideal, but given the circumstances, what other options do we have?

The same principle applies to boron. It's certainly true that individuals shouldn't have to resort to using borax to alleviate arthritis. However, if not that remedy, then what alternative remains? A pharmaceutical counterpart? In a world where one is constantly bombarded by halogens from all directions, what choices are left for those unable to retreat to the wilderness and escape the complexities of modern life?

Deficiency undoubtedly plays a role, but in many cases, humanity seems to have moved beyond mere deficiency into a state of dependency. Why this shift has occurred is a question that invites speculation: Is it due to toxicity, psychological trauma, intentional biological sabotage, or something else entirely? The answer remains elusive.

Dr. Palmer's work serves as a prime example of this phenomenon. Many individuals with longstanding psychiatric issues find resolution through adopting a ketogenic diet, even in cases of severe psychiatric illness. It raises questions about why their glucose systems are so dysfunctional and what underlies the brain's inability to effectively utilize glucose as a fuel source. While I don't advocate for everyone to maintain a ketogenic state, for some, like myself, it becomes a crucial component of managing inherent psychological disturbances. Personally, ketosis accounts for about 30-40% of the solution for me in addressing these disturbances that have existed since I became a sentient being. Ketosis profoundly alters my brain and experience, providing unparalleled mental clarity where words and emotions flow effortlessly. It's akin to the effects of a hallucinogenic drug, revealing a reality and perspective previously unseen. When I first embraced the diet without relying on cheese and processed foods, I glimpsed a sense of normalcy and liberation from unexplained imbalances that was truly profound.

The same can be said of Niacin. Since I became a self-aware human, I sensed that my experience differed from those around me. I perceived and interacted with the environment in a way that felt disjointed, with an underlying darkness that I couldn't fully comprehend. Supra-physiological doses of niacin helped alleviate some of this dysfunction, but whenever I attempt to discontinue its use, the darkness returns, albeit to a lesser extent now (especially is I remain in a ketogenic state simultaneously). I've explored countless health philosophies, addressing aspects of the physical body, psyche, and spirituality in my quest for improvement. Nothing provides the same result that niacin does. The question arises: Why am I, along with thousands of others, dependent on niacin? I have my speculations, with childhood vaccine injury ranking as my number one theory, particularly since I exhibited all the telltale signs following the vaccination schedule.

That being said, I believe the aspiration to remain "natural" and derive all essential nutrients from the diet can overlook some profound concepts, and may not be achievable for everyone.

Yes that is one way of looking at it. That our modern world is toxic therefore we need innovative approaches to health. I think I'm more on the side of Tim here. If we get certain organs functioning properly we won't have to manage our body, our body does it for us. I'd rather that. Micromanaging my health is a disaster. OCD, anxiety, even panic attacks. I'd rather have a little bit of mineral imbalance maybe some liver and kidney congestion and save my mental health vs worrying about micromanaging it. God gave us a wonderful body capable of withstanding a lot of stress so long as we are able to let go of it. Holding on to things is the most damaging. That includes unforgiveness, bitterness, resentment, unresolved trauma. These things F with our pathways of elimination. When my mother in law is in town I don't poop. 15 minutes after she leaves I have a big release. We are more than minerals and vitamins or heavy metals. Our emotions and stress effect more than we know. Niacin does something to neurotransmitters the same as benzos just safer. Sounds like you have some unresolved trauma, that darkness is not just nutritional the innovative approach seems to bypass having to do some really tough work emotionally which I did for a number of yrs as well. It's kinda like when a person comes back from war and becomes an alcoholic, they never processed all that adrenaline so it's stuck in their body and they need something to depress the nervous system so they can have a bit of relaxation. I don't blame them for choosing that substance when they are ignorant about why they are doing it. Society isn't ignorant anymore about this stuff. We need to release the stress instead of medicating it. Sometimes that takes time for us to realize that we can't medicate it anymore and that's okay we are all on the journey.

Quote from Luke on April 6, 2024, 4:47 pm

Quote from Janelle525 on April 6, 2024, 10:58 am

Quote from AlexM on April 5, 2024, 4:46 pm

Quote from Janelle525 on April 3, 2024, 11:19 am

Quote from AlexM on April 3, 2024, 10:20 am

Quote from Janelle525 on April 3, 2024, 7:44 am

Quote from Luke on April 2, 2024, 7:51 pm

If the metabolic and enzyme pathways of "Vitamin A" were genuinely undeniable facts, you would have no motive to participate in this forum, and certainly, you wouldn't subscribe to the belief that it is toxic. It's evident that you don't consider these Vitamin A pathways to be factual; otherwise, you wouldn't be present here.

I'm not sure, but doesn't seem like he believes vitamin A is toxic as he is taking a parapack supplement:

Vitamin A (as palmitate and 50% as beta carotene) 2000 IU
Vitamin C (as ascorbic acid) 60 mg
Vitamin E (as d-alpha tocopheryl succinate) 30 IU
Thiamine (as thiamine hydrochloride) 1.5 mg
Niacin (as niacinamide and 33% as niacin) 20 mg
Vitamin B6 (as pyridoxine hydrochloride) 2 mg
Folic Acid (as (6S)-5-methyltetrahydrofolic acid) 25 mcg
Biotin 75 mcg
Pantothenic Acid (as d-calcium pantothenate) 10 mg
Iodine (from kelp) 100 mcg
Zinc (TRAACS® zinc bisglycinate chelate†) 1 mg
Selenium (as L-selenomethionine) 20 mcg
Manganese (TRAACS® manganese bisglycinate chelate†) 1 mg
Potassium (from potassium gluconate and 50% as potassium glycinate complex) 10 mg
Citrus Bioflavonoid Complex (citrus aurantium L.) 50mg
Inositol 25 mg
Betaine (from betaine hydrochloride) 20 mg
L-Tyrosine 10 mg
L-lysine HCL 10 mg
L-Glutamic Acid 10 mg
L-Serine 5 mg
Pyruvate (from calcium pyruvate) 5 mg *
Whole Adrenal Glandular (bovine) 5 mg *
Whole Pituitary Glandular (bovine) 5 mg *
Whole Parotid Glandular (bovine) 5 mg *

@janelle525 I can speak for myself? Not really necessary to make these kind of comments. And you have a habit of doing stuff like this such as when you tweeted GS about something Jessica said.

Its like me saying oh and @janelle525 eats Ice Cream regularly which you do.

Every time I have gone through phases of eating lots of ice cream my health slowly declines. Where as with taking the Para Pack and the other mineral balancing supplements I have only seen improvements. So go figure..

It was actually a binge of ice cream eating 2 weeks ago ( I was eating two tubs a day for a few days), which felt great at the time until I had numbness and tingling in my legs by the end of it and felt lower metabolism from all the constant blood sugar spikes which prompted me to do that prolonged water fast that I found helpful.

So yeah rather than always bringing up I take a TEI supplement that has Vitamin A every time on here like its terrible, try TEIs programme for 3 months yourself first and I can bet you it will improve your health compared to what you're doing now with the ice cream and stuff.

I was making note that it doesn't appear you are here due to vitamin A toxicity stuff. Which is fine, you are free to post here. But it appears this forum has attracted people who don't really care about vitamin A toxicity. I'm unsure why. Maybe you are curious to see how it pans out. This thread itself isn't even about vitamin A anymore! I'm not 100% on board with vitamin A is always a toxin, but I do think people get plenty of 'fresh' retinol if they are eating animal foods, and to purposefully get more via supps or liver is crazy to me, I think that experiment is clearly a disaster for a lot of people. Also another reason I will never take vitamin A is that it oxidizes easily, it's not a stable substance so how can you put so much trust in a pill bottle? Have you done any research on this anhydroretinol thing? Or are you just going to trust TEI?

And why are you still binging on ice cream if the program is so successful? I don't feel the need to binge on dairy, I eat maximum 5 oz a day, never any more than that. That is the only dairy other than a pat of butter I have been eating. I don't even want cheese anymore, but unsure if my health is better since going lower in dairy I've ever been my entire life. It's the fat that I think can be an issue with dairy, same issue I have with sausage. Just clogs up the system if you are a slow oxidizer. Meat and starch/veggies and maybe a little lower fat cheese, is probably the healthiest diet for slow oxidizers, but as you have demonstrated, hard to stick to, so like someone said on my log, probably better to give yourself some leeway so that you don't binge.

@janelle525 I was here originally for the Vit A toxicity stuff as I did have bad Vit A toxicity from eating too many carrots nearly 2 years ago now, but I'm still interested in the topics suggested here. I have also never believed Vit A is a toxin right from the get go.

I might have explained this to you about 5 times already, but the whole point of the TEI supplements for slow oxidisers is to raise the oxidation rate, get the thyroid and adrenal glands working properly, so that the body now has the energy to start detoxing heavy metals and raise NA & K levels in the cells. It's not about getting extra Vitamin A from the supplement I don't know how many times I need to say this to you, I could eat some high Vitamin A foods without any TEI supplements vs taking the Parapack that has Vit A and they are not comparable. TEI are getting the thyroid to start working again with their supplements so that the Vit A is actually used properly and working as it should be. Before TEI my thyroid area felt as a hard a rock and on TEI my thyroid feels soft and that also resembles the changes in energy I had too.

A lot of your concerns seem to be fear based, and this is what happens when you're mainly exposed to only negative stuff about Vitamin A. About Vit A oxidising easily, well with no oxidation you have no immune system so we need oxidation, this is why we have an antioxidant system to balance things. What TEI are doing with their program is they are improving your body's own Antioxdant systems and improving the rate of oxidation in the body at the same time. Once they are both working better then the amount of Vit A in their supplement really doesn't become an issue.

Why do I still binge on ice cream sometimes, well it happens for a few reasons, mainly because when I'm in the shop I see some ice cream and think oh that would be nice (without any huge craving for it) so I buy it, but I have an addictive personality and I can't really stop myself from eating the whole tub at once, which is really bad. Then sometimes after eating one tub, I get huge cravings for more and more tubs in the next days like some drug addict. Other times when I've eaten too much red meat I crave calcium to block some of the iron so that would be another time where I eat ice cream. And lastly lets say I'm going through a detox reaction on TEI with heavy metals coming out, this can raise my glutamate levels and be quite stressful so sometimes I will crave ice cream in one of these detox reactions to feel more relaxed. But I would say now I'm barely having any ice cream compared to last summer, where I was stupidly binging like crazy.

Ok well thats good your eating only 5oz a day I can't see any major issues arising from that.

I still don't understand the science though, how can carrots poison you but when it's in a supplement make you healthy? I mean it's not a huge amount, but the logic doesn't make sense to me. Just because it's balanced with lots of vitamins and minerals doesn't make it healthy. This is completely new to the human body to manipulate our chemistry with supplements. Just think people survived the great depression and lived into old age with no bottles of beta carotene and b vitamins. I just think this is crazy. If the only time you feel your thyroid works is while taking it, that's not a sign it is making you healthy, it's a sign of a drug like reaction.

I understand the need to slow down detox, but maybe we shouldn't be forcing our body to do it unless we have some kind of documented heavy metal toxicity (as in mercury chelation).

Hi Janelle @janelle525

I fully agree that health cannot be encapsulated in a pill alone. However, it's crucial to recognize that modern challenges often call for modern solutions. Given the current state of environmental toxicity and the degradation of our food supply, many individuals find themselves in need of innovative approaches that go beyond dietary intake alone. I delve into this topic in my blog post on the use of supraphysiological doses of iodine and why it may be necessary. Relying solely on food for iodine intake in a world saturated with fluorine and bromine-based chemicals (such as PFAS and PFOS) is insufficient. We both agree that 25mg-50mg of iodine a day is completely unnatural. We both acknowledge that the need for such an "antidote" is not ideal, but given the circumstances, what other options do we have?

The same principle applies to boron. It's certainly true that individuals shouldn't have to resort to using borax to alleviate arthritis. However, if not that remedy, then what alternative remains? A pharmaceutical counterpart? In a world where one is constantly bombarded by halogens from all directions, what choices are left for those unable to retreat to the wilderness and escape the complexities of modern life?

Deficiency undoubtedly plays a role, but in many cases, humanity seems to have moved beyond mere deficiency into a state of dependency. Why this shift has occurred is a question that invites speculation: Is it due to toxicity, psychological trauma, intentional biological sabotage, or something else entirely? The answer remains elusive.

Dr. Palmer's work serves as a prime example of this phenomenon. Many individuals with longstanding psychiatric issues find resolution through adopting a ketogenic diet, even in cases of severe psychiatric illness. It raises questions about why their glucose systems are so dysfunctional and what underlies the brain's inability to effectively utilize glucose as a fuel source. While I don't advocate for everyone to maintain a ketogenic state, for some, like myself, it becomes a crucial component of managing inherent psychological disturbances. Personally, ketosis accounts for about 30-40% of the solution for me in addressing these disturbances that have existed since I became a sentient being. Ketosis profoundly alters my brain and experience, providing unparalleled mental clarity where words and emotions flow effortlessly. It's akin to the effects of a hallucinogenic drug, revealing a reality and perspective previously unseen. When I first embraced the diet without relying on cheese and processed foods, I glimpsed a sense of normalcy and liberation from unexplained imbalances that was truly profound.

The same can be said of Niacin. Since I became a self-aware human, I sensed that my experience differed from those around me. I perceived and interacted with the environment in a way that felt disjointed, with an underlying darkness that I couldn't fully comprehend. Supra-physiological doses of niacin helped alleviate some of this dysfunction, but whenever I attempt to discontinue its use, the darkness returns, albeit to a lesser extent now (especially is I remain in a ketogenic state simultaneously). I've explored countless health philosophies, addressing aspects of the physical body, psyche, and spirituality in my quest for improvement. Nothing provides the same result that niacin does. The question arises: Why am I, along with thousands of others, dependent on niacin? I have my speculations, with childhood vaccine injury ranking as my number one theory, particularly since I exhibited all the telltale signs following the vaccination schedule.

That being said, I believe the aspiration to remain "natural" and derive all essential nutrients from the diet can overlook some profound concepts, and may not be achievable for everyone.

Yes that is one way of looking at it. That our modern world is toxic therefore we need innovative approaches to health. I think I'm more on the side of Tim here. If we get certain organs functioning properly we won't have to manage our body, our body does it for us. I'd rather that. Micromanaging my health is a disaster. OCD, anxiety, even panic attacks. I'd rather have a little bit of mineral imbalance maybe some liver and kidney congestion and save my mental health vs worrying about micromanaging it. God gave us a wonderful body capable of withstanding a lot of stress so long as we are able to let go of it. Holding on to things is the most damaging. That includes unforgiveness, bitterness, resentment, unresolved trauma. These things F with our pathways of elimination. When my mother in law is in town I don't poop. 15 minutes after she leaves I have a big release. We are more than minerals and vitamins or heavy metals. Our emotions and stress effect more than we know. Niacin does something to neurotransmitters the same as benzos just safer. Sounds like you have some unresolved trauma, that darkness is not just nutritional the innovative approach seems to bypass having to do some really tough work emotionally which I did for a number of yrs as well. It's kinda like when a person comes back from war and becomes an alcoholic, they never processed all that adrenaline so it's stuck in their body and they need something to depress the nervous system so they can have a bit of relaxation. I don't blame them for choosing that substance when they are ignorant about why they are doing it. Society isn't ignorant anymore about this stuff. We need to release the stress instead of medicating it. Sometimes that takes time for us to realize that we can't medicate it anymore and that's okay we are all on the journey.

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#165 · April 8, 2024, 9:18 am

Quote from Janelle525 on April 8, 2024, 9:18 am

Quote from AlexM on April 7, 2024, 2:28 am

I still don't understand the science though, how can carrots poison you but when it's in a supplement make you healthy? I mean it's not a huge amount, but the logic doesn't make sense to me. Just because it's balanced with lots of vitamins and minerals doesn't make it healthy. This is completely new to the human body to manipulate our chemistry with supplements. Just think people survived the great depression and lived into old age with no bottles of beta carotene and b vitamins. I just think this is crazy. If the only time you feel your thyroid works is while taking it, that's not a sign it is making you healthy, it's a sign of a drug like reaction.

I understand the need to slow down detox, but maybe we shouldn't be forcing our body to do it unless we have some kind of documented heavy metal toxicity (as in mercury chelation).

@janelle525 Having to redo this whole message as I just lost it all when I tried posting my reply...

Because when I was eating all those carrots and butternut squash, I was massively overdoing it and eating 8-10 fairly large carrots a day, with sometimes a whole butternut squash added too, celery etc and animal protein plus nut butter. One carrot has 12000 IU Beta carotene/Vit A and 100 grams of butternut squash has 10630 IU and I was eating a whole one some days. Someone had told me about Dr Wilsons diet fixing their gallbladder issues so this was my adapted version of his diet as I couldn't tolerate sulfur veg at the the time (maybe because it slows down ALDH). I wasn't using any of the ARL supplements as I was new to all of it. I did feel great on the diet as my body was finally getting all the potassium it needed but I started having neuropathy if I tried any fruit or tiny amounts of sugar (eg one glass of fruit juice or 1 square of chocolate), I also had turned orange/yellow, I started getting gallbladder pain, I was becoming very slow and when I tried having any fats so I knew something was up. I did add in this organic sourdough bread later on in the diet as it was too low carb for me, but I think it may have contributed partly to things going so badly wrong, as I'm pretty sure it had glyphosate. One day I tried having TUDCA with my high beta carotene meal and my stomach was quite badly inflamed, I felt very fragile and had neuropathy. I then found out about Garrets work and the Vit A toxicity fb group so it all now made sense to me.

So I followed the advice of cutting out the high Vit A veg like carrots and squash and even celery and this kickstarted the most brutal dumping process I had ever experienced, as if someone had unleashed the fires of hell upon my body. I had bad headaches, inflamed stomach, bad neuropathy and rashes all over my body, severe distress and anxiety, completely numb genitals (felt like they had been damaged) and probably some other symptoms that I can't remember but I felt absolutely terrible. And now if I tried eating carrots or any food that had Vitamin A I would have gallbladder and liver pain, carrots would make the skin on the roof of my mouth peel off and I think it would cause itchy skin too, so I was stuck on this Low Vit A diet where I felt much worse than before I started. It did take me 1-2 weeks to find out but when I cut out the "organic" sourdough bread I was having a lot of these bad "detox" symptoms went away and I didn't feel terrible anymore so I really think it had glyphosate or maybe it was too high in aldehydes, or possibly it had some kind of mold which slowed down my ALDH.

Now if you compare the huge amount of Vitamin A I was eating to a supplement that has 2000 IU of Vitamin A (half retinol half beta carotene) they are in no way comparable. Obviously if you way overdose on a nutrient (more than your bodies detox capabilities can handle) then you are going to run into big trouble, but 2000IU is hardly a large dose. Think of it as a bath tub analogy we need the right amount of water for the bath but too much and it was overspill and flood. And I will repeat it again ( for the 100th time)it is not the same as just taking a Vitamin A supplement on it's own, TEI are getting your thyroid, adrenals, metabolism and oxidation rate working properly so you actually use the Vitamin A as it should be used. I have only experienced healing and improvements when I take the TEI supplements and I'm not getting any of the bad signs I was getting like when I was eating all those carrots and squash. Also having 0 signs of my bile being slowed, actually my digestion has improved and nutrient absorption has improved from the TEI supplements, my energy is great (when I'm not binging on massive amounts of junk) and I look healthy and young.

Thanks for writing that out, it sounds more like your log though and less about really getting into why taking retinyl palmitate and beta carotene do anything to our oxidation rate other than you feel better taking it. I'm not trying to be difficult we just need to know why we need to take this supplement. And also are you saying that your detox symptoms were from vitamin A or from the sourdough bread? I wasn't sure.

Quote from AlexM on April 7, 2024, 2:28 am

I still don't understand the science though, how can carrots poison you but when it's in a supplement make you healthy? I mean it's not a huge amount, but the logic doesn't make sense to me. Just because it's balanced with lots of vitamins and minerals doesn't make it healthy. This is completely new to the human body to manipulate our chemistry with supplements. Just think people survived the great depression and lived into old age with no bottles of beta carotene and b vitamins. I just think this is crazy. If the only time you feel your thyroid works is while taking it, that's not a sign it is making you healthy, it's a sign of a drug like reaction.

I understand the need to slow down detox, but maybe we shouldn't be forcing our body to do it unless we have some kind of documented heavy metal toxicity (as in mercury chelation).

@janelle525 Having to redo this whole message as I just lost it all when I tried posting my reply...

Because when I was eating all those carrots and butternut squash, I was massively overdoing it and eating 8-10 fairly large carrots a day, with sometimes a whole butternut squash added too, celery etc and animal protein plus nut butter. One carrot has 12000 IU Beta carotene/Vit A and 100 grams of butternut squash has 10630 IU and I was eating a whole one some days. Someone had told me about Dr Wilsons diet fixing their gallbladder issues so this was my adapted version of his diet as I couldn't tolerate sulfur veg at the the time (maybe because it slows down ALDH). I wasn't using any of the ARL supplements as I was new to all of it. I did feel great on the diet as my body was finally getting all the potassium it needed but I started having neuropathy if I tried any fruit or tiny amounts of sugar (eg one glass of fruit juice or 1 square of chocolate), I also had turned orange/yellow, I started getting gallbladder pain, I was becoming very slow and when I tried having any fats so I knew something was up. I did add in this organic sourdough bread later on in the diet as it was too low carb for me, but I think it may have contributed partly to things going so badly wrong, as I'm pretty sure it had glyphosate. One day I tried having TUDCA with my high beta carotene meal and my stomach was quite badly inflamed, I felt very fragile and had neuropathy. I then found out about Garrets work and the Vit A toxicity fb group so it all now made sense to me.

So I followed the advice of cutting out the high Vit A veg like carrots and squash and even celery and this kickstarted the most brutal dumping process I had ever experienced, as if someone had unleashed the fires of hell upon my body. I had bad headaches, inflamed stomach, bad neuropathy and rashes all over my body, severe distress and anxiety, completely numb genitals (felt like they had been damaged) and probably some other symptoms that I can't remember but I felt absolutely terrible. And now if I tried eating carrots or any food that had Vitamin A I would have gallbladder and liver pain, carrots would make the skin on the roof of my mouth peel off and I think it would cause itchy skin too, so I was stuck on this Low Vit A diet where I felt much worse than before I started. It did take me 1-2 weeks to find out but when I cut out the "organic" sourdough bread I was having a lot of these bad "detox" symptoms went away and I didn't feel terrible anymore so I really think it had glyphosate or maybe it was too high in aldehydes, or possibly it had some kind of mold which slowed down my ALDH.

Now if you compare the huge amount of Vitamin A I was eating to a supplement that has 2000 IU of Vitamin A (half retinol half beta carotene) they are in no way comparable. Obviously if you way overdose on a nutrient (more than your bodies detox capabilities can handle) then you are going to run into big trouble, but 2000IU is hardly a large dose. Think of it as a bath tub analogy we need the right amount of water for the bath but too much and it was overspill and flood. And I will repeat it again ( for the 100th time)it is not the same as just taking a Vitamin A supplement on it's own, TEI are getting your thyroid, adrenals, metabolism and oxidation rate working properly so you actually use the Vitamin A as it should be used. I have only experienced healing and improvements when I take the TEI supplements and I'm not getting any of the bad signs I was getting like when I was eating all those carrots and squash. Also having 0 signs of my bile being slowed, actually my digestion has improved and nutrient absorption has improved from the TEI supplements, my energy is great (when I'm not binging on massive amounts of junk) and I look healthy and young.

Thanks for writing that out, it sounds more like your log though and less about really getting into why taking retinyl palmitate and beta carotene do anything to our oxidation rate other than you feel better taking it. I'm not trying to be difficult we just need to know why we need to take this supplement. And also are you saying that your detox symptoms were from vitamin A or from the sourdough bread? I wasn't sure.

#166 · April 8, 2024, 9:47 am

@janelle525 Well I wrote all of that to answer your question : "how can carrots poison you but when it's in a supplement make you healthy" but seems like you didn't read it properly.

I said that I was eating 8-10 carrots a day 120,000 IU of beta carotene/vitamin A plus half to a whole butternut squash some days, with celery, swede, so I was probably hitting close to 200k IU of vitamin A each day for a month while already having bad gallbladder issues. Compared to the supplement that contains 2000IU Vitamin A is absolutely nothing compared to the amount I was having before, that was my whole point that an amount like that is not going to overrun my system like all those carrots and veg did.

You don't "need" to take anything, you can do whatever you like. I have explained to you over and over again about this supplement whenever you question me about it, but I end up to repeating the same things to you because it doesn't seem to get through to you. Maybe email TEI and ask them your questions about it yourself if you are desperate to know. But please stop replying to my posts and bringing up the Parapack on here and the RP forum because it seems like a huge waste of time every time I reply, and I have to repeat the same things again to you.

No the bread contained something that was making the Vit A toxicity symptoms much worse, I do wonder if I would have run into the same problems if I had never eaten the bread.

#167 · April 8, 2024, 9:54 am

Quote from tim on April 8, 2024, 9:54 am
@janelle525

Thank you. I'm glad you find my posts of value.

My position for many years has been that one doesn't have to avoid all dairy. When lowering vitamin A it's best to avoid butter, cream and cheese though.

Dairy does have a number of downsides such as lactose, galactose, casein, estrogen, BCM7 and retinyl but it also has benefits.

Milk (and yoghurt and low fat ice cream) is a source of calcium, riboflavin and iodine and it's not that high in vitamin A. It may have been a crucial iodine source for inland agricultural and pastoral groups. Inland hunter gatherers got iodine from freshwater fish, insects and maybe reptiles. If you look at a place like the Swiss Alps dairy was probably the only iodine source for Swiss villagers.

My opinion on calcium from dairy is that it's probably not that helpful for adults but it probably is for young growing humans. I tend towards thinking moderate milk intake is most suitable for adolescents and low milk intake is most suitable for adults.

Some may be more suited for dairy than others not just in regard to lactose tolerance.

Dairy intake was negatively correlated with wealth in the middle ages. It was seen as poor man's meat.

I personally instinctively avoid milk for the most part but still consume some in baking, hot drinks and consume small amounts of low fat ice cream and parmesan.

Yes sardines are definitely not compatible with everyone. I enjoy half a can, even a whole can can be a bit much. I feel that wild canned salmon is a good option for most.

I've done some posts comparing heavy metal levels in seafood vs other food groups and have shown that low mercury seafood (with the exception of organic arsenic) is no higher than other common food groups in heavy metals. For example potatoes and grains contain cadmium and rice contains inorganic arsenic.

Seafood is high in organic arsenic which sounds terrifying but the current understanding is that it is easily excreted from the body. It is arsenic bound to choline that has already been metabolized by the fish ready for excretion.

All humans used to get iodine, selenium and DHA from reptiles, insects, fresh water and salt water fish, crustaceans and molluscs. Seafood is the only food of those left in our diet. It's very digestible and is rich in DHA, iodine, selenium and magnesium. I instinctively prefer fish and fowl over red meat but do enjoy small amounts of red meat.

@janelle525

Thank you. I'm glad you find my posts of value.

My position for many years has been that one doesn't have to avoid all dairy. When lowering vitamin A it's best to avoid butter, cream and cheese though.

Dairy does have a number of downsides such as lactose, galactose, casein, estrogen, BCM7 and retinyl but it also has benefits.

Milk (and yoghurt and low fat ice cream) is a source of calcium, riboflavin and iodine and it's not that high in vitamin A. It may have been a crucial iodine source for inland agricultural and pastoral groups. Inland hunter gatherers got iodine from freshwater fish, insects and maybe reptiles. If you look at a place like the Swiss Alps dairy was probably the only iodine source for Swiss villagers.

My opinion on calcium from dairy is that it's probably not that helpful for adults but it probably is for young growing humans. I tend towards thinking moderate milk intake is most suitable for adolescents and low milk intake is most suitable for adults.

Some may be more suited for dairy than others not just in regard to lactose tolerance.

Dairy intake was negatively correlated with wealth in the middle ages. It was seen as poor man's meat.

I personally instinctively avoid milk for the most part but still consume some in baking, hot drinks and consume small amounts of low fat ice cream and parmesan.

Yes sardines are definitely not compatible with everyone. I enjoy half a can, even a whole can can be a bit much. I feel that wild canned salmon is a good option for most.

I've done some posts comparing heavy metal levels in seafood vs other food groups and have shown that low mercury seafood (with the exception of organic arsenic) is no higher than other common food groups in heavy metals. For example potatoes and grains contain cadmium and rice contains inorganic arsenic.

Seafood is high in organic arsenic which sounds terrifying but the current understanding is that it is easily excreted from the body. It is arsenic bound to choline that has already been metabolized by the fish ready for excretion.

All humans used to get iodine, selenium and DHA from reptiles, insects, fresh water and salt water fish, crustaceans and molluscs. Seafood is the only food of those left in our diet. It's very digestible and is rich in DHA, iodine, selenium and magnesium. I instinctively prefer fish and fowl over red meat but do enjoy small amounts of red meat.

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#168 · April 8, 2024, 10:50 am

Quote from Janelle525 on April 8, 2024, 10:50 am

Quote from AlexM on April 8, 2024, 9:47 am

@janelle525 Well I wrote all of that to answer your question : "how can carrots poison you but when it's in a supplement make you healthy" but seems like you didn't read it properly.

I said that I was eating 8-10 carrots a day 120,000 IU of beta carotene/vitamin A plus half to a whole butternut squash some days, with celery, swede, so I was probably hitting close to 200k IU of vitamin A each day for a month while already having bad gallbladder issues. Compared to the supplement that contains 2000IU Vitamin A is absolutely nothing compared to the amount I was having before, that was my whole point that an amount like that is not going to overrun my system like all those carrots and veg did.

You don't "need" to take anything, you can do whatever you like. I have explained to you over and over again about this supplement whenever you question me about it, but I end up to repeating the same things to you because it doesn't seem to get through to you. Maybe email TEI and ask them your questions about it yourself if you are desperate to know. But please stop replying to my posts and bringing up the Parapack on here and the RP forum because it seems like a huge waste of time every time I reply, and I have to repeat the same things again to you.

No the bread contained something that was making the Vit A toxicity symptoms much worse, I do wonder if I would have run into the same problems if I had never eaten the bread.

Yes you did answer the question that the carrots were in very large amounts, but the supplement is small. It still doesn't the answer the question about why it being in the supplement makes someone healthier. I could argue eating certain foods that have some retinol and carotene are healthy like eggs, but it'd be very hard for me to argue about it being in the supplement being healthy. But I will stop asking you lol.

Ok yeah I had a similar experience with sourdough. It made my symptoms worse.

Quote from AlexM on April 8, 2024, 9:47 am

@janelle525 Well I wrote all of that to answer your question : "how can carrots poison you but when it's in a supplement make you healthy" but seems like you didn't read it properly.

I said that I was eating 8-10 carrots a day 120,000 IU of beta carotene/vitamin A plus half to a whole butternut squash some days, with celery, swede, so I was probably hitting close to 200k IU of vitamin A each day for a month while already having bad gallbladder issues. Compared to the supplement that contains 2000IU Vitamin A is absolutely nothing compared to the amount I was having before, that was my whole point that an amount like that is not going to overrun my system like all those carrots and veg did.

You don't "need" to take anything, you can do whatever you like. I have explained to you over and over again about this supplement whenever you question me about it, but I end up to repeating the same things to you because it doesn't seem to get through to you. Maybe email TEI and ask them your questions about it yourself if you are desperate to know. But please stop replying to my posts and bringing up the Parapack on here and the RP forum because it seems like a huge waste of time every time I reply, and I have to repeat the same things again to you.

No the bread contained something that was making the Vit A toxicity symptoms much worse, I do wonder if I would have run into the same problems if I had never eaten the bread.

Yes you did answer the question that the carrots were in very large amounts, but the supplement is small. It still doesn't the answer the question about why it being in the supplement makes someone healthier. I could argue eating certain foods that have some retinol and carotene are healthy like eggs, but it'd be very hard for me to argue about it being in the supplement being healthy. But I will stop asking you lol.

Ok yeah I had a similar experience with sourdough. It made my symptoms worse.

#169 · April 8, 2024, 11:13 am

Quote from Janelle525 on April 8, 2024, 11:13 am

Quote from tim on April 8, 2024, 9:54 am

@janelle525

Thank you. I'm glad you find my posts of value.

My position for many years has been that one doesn't have to avoid all dairy. When lowering vitamin A it's best to avoid butter, cream and cheese though.

Dairy does have a number of downsides such as lactose, galactose, casein, estrogen, BCM7 and retinyl but it also has benefits.

Milk (and yoghurt and low fat ice cream) is a source of calcium, riboflavin and iodine and it's not that high in vitamin A. It may have been a crucial iodine source for inland agricultural and pastoral groups. Inland hunter gatherers got iodine from freshwater fish, insects and maybe reptiles. If you look at a place like the Swiss Alps dairy was probably the only iodine source for Swiss villagers.

My opinion on calcium from dairy is that it's probably not that helpful for adults but it probably is for young growing humans. I tend towards thinking moderate milk intake is most suitable for adolescents and low milk intake is most suitable for adults.

Some may be more suited for dairy than others not just in regard to lactose tolerance.

Dairy intake was negatively correlated with wealth in the middle ages. It was seen as poor man's meat.

I personally instinctively avoid milk for the most part but still consume some in baking, hot drinks and consume small amounts of low fat ice cream and parmesan.

Yes sardines are definitely not compatible with everyone. I enjoy half a can, even a whole can can be a bit much. I feel that wild canned salmon is a good option for most.

I've done some posts comparing heavy metal levels in seafood vs other food groups and have shown that low mercury seafood (with the exception of organic arsenic) is no higher than other common food groups in heavy metals. For example potatoes and grains contain cadmium and rice contains inorganic arsenic.

Seafood is high in organic arsenic which sounds terrifying but the current understanding is that it is easily excreted from the body. It is arsenic bound to choline that has already been metabolized by the fish ready for excretion.

All humans used to get iodine, selenium and DHA from reptiles, insects, fresh water and salt water fish, crustaceans and molluscs. Seafood is the only food of those left in our diet. It's very digestible and is rich in DHA, iodine, selenium and magnesium. I instinctively prefer fish and fowl over red meat but do enjoy small amounts of red meat.

That is a good summary on dairy. I had a craving for warmed milk yesterday so I had some, and today I'm doing it again. I haven't drank milk in a long time. I preferred cheese because it seemed like milk caused anxiety. I think it was the sugars. But after my long experiment with charcoal and eating about 1/4 cup of black beans everyday it seems something has shifted, we'll see, I don't want to speak too soon!

Yeah some people are more geared to seafood consumption, do you believe in the blood type diet stuff? My husband is O and thrives on red meat. I am not and don't crave red meat and it's always been harder for me to digest. That also seems to have shifted doing the beef beans and rice and charcoal, I can tolerate red meat much better now. But yes chicken and fish is way easier to digest for non O type people, maybe it has something to do with iron too. I always tended to have more serum iron than avg. Never been tested for hemochromotosis or had my ferritin levels checked. Maybe using the charcoal helped with that. But what's funny is the promotion of lactoferrin around here yet being anti-milk. Maybe I need some dairy in my diet to help with iron.

I live in Florida and garden a lot so I probably need the riboflavin too. I also started a small amount of vitamin C again thanks to your posts.

Quote from tim on April 8, 2024, 9:54 am

@janelle525

Thank you. I'm glad you find my posts of value.

My position for many years has been that one doesn't have to avoid all dairy. When lowering vitamin A it's best to avoid butter, cream and cheese though.

Dairy does have a number of downsides such as lactose, galactose, casein, estrogen, BCM7 and retinyl but it also has benefits.

Milk (and yoghurt and low fat ice cream) is a source of calcium, riboflavin and iodine and it's not that high in vitamin A. It may have been a crucial iodine source for inland agricultural and pastoral groups. Inland hunter gatherers got iodine from freshwater fish, insects and maybe reptiles. If you look at a place like the Swiss Alps dairy was probably the only iodine source for Swiss villagers.

My opinion on calcium from dairy is that it's probably not that helpful for adults but it probably is for young growing humans. I tend towards thinking moderate milk intake is most suitable for adolescents and low milk intake is most suitable for adults.

Some may be more suited for dairy than others not just in regard to lactose tolerance.

Dairy intake was negatively correlated with wealth in the middle ages. It was seen as poor man's meat.

I personally instinctively avoid milk for the most part but still consume some in baking, hot drinks and consume small amounts of low fat ice cream and parmesan.

Yes sardines are definitely not compatible with everyone. I enjoy half a can, even a whole can can be a bit much. I feel that wild canned salmon is a good option for most.

I've done some posts comparing heavy metal levels in seafood vs other food groups and have shown that low mercury seafood (with the exception of organic arsenic) is no higher than other common food groups in heavy metals. For example potatoes and grains contain cadmium and rice contains inorganic arsenic.

Seafood is high in organic arsenic which sounds terrifying but the current understanding is that it is easily excreted from the body. It is arsenic bound to choline that has already been metabolized by the fish ready for excretion.

All humans used to get iodine, selenium and DHA from reptiles, insects, fresh water and salt water fish, crustaceans and molluscs. Seafood is the only food of those left in our diet. It's very digestible and is rich in DHA, iodine, selenium and magnesium. I instinctively prefer fish and fowl over red meat but do enjoy small amounts of red meat.

That is a good summary on dairy. I had a craving for warmed milk yesterday so I had some, and today I'm doing it again. I haven't drank milk in a long time. I preferred cheese because it seemed like milk caused anxiety. I think it was the sugars. But after my long experiment with charcoal and eating about 1/4 cup of black beans everyday it seems something has shifted, we'll see, I don't want to speak too soon!

Yeah some people are more geared to seafood consumption, do you believe in the blood type diet stuff? My husband is O and thrives on red meat. I am not and don't crave red meat and it's always been harder for me to digest. That also seems to have shifted doing the beef beans and rice and charcoal, I can tolerate red meat much better now. But yes chicken and fish is way easier to digest for non O type people, maybe it has something to do with iron too. I always tended to have more serum iron than avg. Never been tested for hemochromotosis or had my ferritin levels checked. Maybe using the charcoal helped with that. But what's funny is the promotion of lactoferrin around here yet being anti-milk. Maybe I need some dairy in my diet to help with iron.

I live in Florida and garden a lot so I probably need the riboflavin too. I also started a small amount of vitamin C again thanks to your posts.

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#170 · April 8, 2024, 11:44 am

@janelle525 The Para Pack supplement was specifically designed to increase the oxidation rate in slow oxidisers, it is the opposite of sym pack for fast oxidisers which was designed to lower the oxidation rate.

Why is being in slow or very slow oxidation bad, because it means energy production in the body is low due to reduced thyroid and adrenal activity which then leads to you accumulating heavy metals, toxins, pathogens etc, which then eventually leads to diseases like cancer etc.

So I would say if you are in very slow oxidation that is a lot worse than taking a supplement that has 2kiu Vit A which is helping raise the oxidation rate.

There is a relationship between Vitamin A, copper, ceruloplasmin and the thyroid but I believe they all start working properly when one is at operating at a higher metabolic rate rather than being in a slow oxidation state. And yes Vitamin A is one of the things that raises the oxidation rate so it is helping increase metabolism (if you are not overdosing it and it is being used correctly).

Before I started TEI my potassium levels had gone down to 1 on an HTMA which is terrible and I've seen other low Vitamin A people who have been on the detox for a couple of years with also very low potassium levels on their HTMA. If potassium is low on a hairtest it means potassium isn't getting into the cells which means your thyroid is not working at all.

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