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B12 injections as possible antidote to vitamin A toxicity
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mosaic on December 10, 2024, 4:13 am
Here's another YT link for the documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqjyAeOLyKM
Here's another YT link for the documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqjyAeOLyKM
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Janelle525 on December 10, 2024, 5:50 am
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mosaic on December 5, 2024, 1:27 pm
I have to say I don't know anything about this sulfur topic, but someone sent me his sulfur protocol recently, and I have not seen much in there to think it's related for me. I also had hydrogen sulfide breath tests in the past. I tolerate sulfur foods well, and I tried a lot of the supplements he suggests for sulfur issues in the past.
Chris Masterjohn likes to create theories of everything that don't necessarily fit with reality, so I am a bit wary of him. Him recommending copper and iron supplements is a bit of a red flag in this context.
I don't know a lot about it either. I don't have the smelly farts, but I don't do well on sulfites AT ALL. I think it causes neurological issues. Not sure on sulfur foods though. There are different types. Thiol rich foods can cause symptoms related to mercury toxicity. "Meat is in theory quite sulfury, but in fact a lot of the sulfur stays in the methionine rather than thiol form so it is a less potent thiol source than an elemental analysis would suggest. Especially if you are taking TMG or choline which helps provide methyl groups so the methionine doesn’t need to get metabolized.”
Chris definitely doesn't have the complete picture, no one does no matter how much they think they do. Whenever I think I have something figured out I find a new piece to the puzzle and change my mind.
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mosaic on December 5, 2024, 1:27 pm
I have to say I don't know anything about this sulfur topic, but someone sent me his sulfur protocol recently, and I have not seen much in there to think it's related for me. I also had hydrogen sulfide breath tests in the past. I tolerate sulfur foods well, and I tried a lot of the supplements he suggests for sulfur issues in the past.
Chris Masterjohn likes to create theories of everything that don't necessarily fit with reality, so I am a bit wary of him. Him recommending copper and iron supplements is a bit of a red flag in this context.
I don't know a lot about it either. I don't have the smelly farts, but I don't do well on sulfites AT ALL. I think it causes neurological issues. Not sure on sulfur foods though. There are different types. Thiol rich foods can cause symptoms related to mercury toxicity. "Meat is in theory quite sulfury, but in fact a lot of the sulfur stays in the methionine rather than thiol form so it is a less potent thiol source than an elemental analysis would suggest. Especially if you are taking TMG or choline which helps provide methyl groups so the methionine doesn’t need to get metabolized.”
Chris definitely doesn't have the complete picture, no one does no matter how much they think they do. Whenever I think I have something figured out I find a new piece to the puzzle and change my mind.
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Hermes on December 16, 2024, 12:09 pm
Hi @mosaic,
You've convinced me how important B12 is, especially since we're on a low vitamin A diet here, it seems B12 is another critical vitamin in the detoxification pathway. And since oral (and topical) application seems questionable, injections are necessary. Got all that. Now, I'm willing to play guinea pig here and try injections, but I have no idea how to go about it.
I've found a pharmacy in Lörrach (Germany) that ships vitamin B12 to Switzerland (https://www.bio-apo.com/product/vitamin-b12-depot-inj-1500-g-injektionsloesung.328690.html). No prescription needed. What syringes and other additional tools will I need? I'm thinking swabs and disinfectant and so on. I don't think insulin syringes are the way to go when it's usually applied subcutaneously and vitamin 12 is injected into the muscle. But maybe I'm missing something here. Also, how long does the needle need to be to reach all the liquid in the vial? And then there are questions about how to actually work with syringes so I don't get an abscess.
It's those details that escape me.And I want to get them right. Could you talk about these topics? Or point me in the right direction? That might have helped you when you were learning all these practical things.
Hi @mosaic,
You've convinced me how important B12 is, especially since we're on a low vitamin A diet here, it seems B12 is another critical vitamin in the detoxification pathway. And since oral (and topical) application seems questionable, injections are necessary. Got all that. Now, I'm willing to play guinea pig here and try injections, but I have no idea how to go about it.
I've found a pharmacy in Lörrach (Germany) that ships vitamin B12 to Switzerland (https://www.bio-apo.com/product/vitamin-b12-depot-inj-1500-g-injektionsloesung.328690.html). No prescription needed. What syringes and other additional tools will I need? I'm thinking swabs and disinfectant and so on. I don't think insulin syringes are the way to go when it's usually applied subcutaneously and vitamin 12 is injected into the muscle. But maybe I'm missing something here. Also, how long does the needle need to be to reach all the liquid in the vial? And then there are questions about how to actually work with syringes so I don't get an abscess.
It's those details that escape me.And I want to get them right. Could you talk about these topics? Or point me in the right direction? That might have helped you when you were learning all these practical things.
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lil chick on December 16, 2024, 12:54 pm
Hermes, have you given the other methods (of getting B12) the old college try? I can remember people through time here saying regular supplementation worked for them, but they had to fiddle with which type etc.
Hermes, have you given the other methods (of getting B12) the old college try? I can remember people through time here saying regular supplementation worked for them, but they had to fiddle with which type etc.
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lil chick on December 16, 2024, 1:07 pm
Do you also remember when a person who seemed like a B12 expert (I think a female) started posting and I think she helped (trying to think but nothing happens)... um maybe Jalee? What I'm saying is the unusual female poster arrived and helped Jalee if I'm remembering properly. It was a really great set of posts going through what is involved with figuring out proper oral supplementation of b12. We could ping Jalle, or also seems like ourania knows a lot about supplementing B's as well as puddle duck I think has some first hand knowledge too. In fact it might have been puddle duck she helped, can't remember.
Do you also remember when a person who seemed like a B12 expert (I think a female) started posting and I think she helped (trying to think but nothing happens)... um maybe Jalee? What I'm saying is the unusual female poster arrived and helped Jalee if I'm remembering properly. It was a really great set of posts going through what is involved with figuring out proper oral supplementation of b12. We could ping Jalle, or also seems like ourania knows a lot about supplementing B's as well as puddle duck I think has some first hand knowledge too. In fact it might have been puddle duck she helped, can't remember.
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Orion on December 16, 2024, 2:15 pm
@christian
You need IntraMuscular(IM) needles, probably gauge 22 or 23
Most places shipping B12 will send the needles and alcohol wipes with the ampoules, or offer needle packs
Avoid cyanoB12, hydroxyB12 seems to be the best option
@christian
You need IntraMuscular(IM) needles, probably gauge 22 or 23
Most places shipping B12 will send the needles and alcohol wipes with the ampoules, or offer needle packs
Avoid cyanoB12, hydroxyB12 seems to be the best option
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lil chick on December 17, 2024, 6:25 am
@jessica2, thanks for much for the clue, I found the thread where Angelica talks about B12
https://ggenereux.blog/discussion/topic/bruising/?part=3#postid-23745
@jessica2, thanks for much for the clue, I found the thread where Angelica talks about B12
https://ggenereux.blog/discussion/topic/bruising/?part=3#postid-23745
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Hermes on December 17, 2024, 12:29 pm
@lil-chick
I've tried topical B12 and started again when I came across this post. I can't tell if it's helping or not. Maybe? I'm curious to try injections as the effects seem to be more pronounced. Oral didn't do anything. And as OP pointed out, oral absorption is marginal.
@orion
Thanks for the info.
@jessica2
Anyone who says something is permanent is probably wrong. The body can recover from vitamin A toxicity. At least that's what I tell myself. I prefer this illusion to all the naysayers. It keeps me optimistic. And that's what I really need, otherwise I wouldn't keep going. Just a small thing. I hope you're doing well and enjoying the holiday season. (I recently listened to a sermon by John MacArthur about the miraculous birth of Jesus in Bethlehem. If Mary and Joseph had arrived just a week earlier or later, Jesus wouldn't have been born in Bethlehem as the prophet Micah prophesied. It's a powerful illustration of how God moves world events for His glory. This gives me even more hope).
I've tried topical B12 and started again when I came across this post. I can't tell if it's helping or not. Maybe? I'm curious to try injections as the effects seem to be more pronounced. Oral didn't do anything. And as OP pointed out, oral absorption is marginal.
Thanks for the info.
@jessica2
Anyone who says something is permanent is probably wrong. The body can recover from vitamin A toxicity. At least that's what I tell myself. I prefer this illusion to all the naysayers. It keeps me optimistic. And that's what I really need, otherwise I wouldn't keep going. Just a small thing. I hope you're doing well and enjoying the holiday season. (I recently listened to a sermon by John MacArthur about the miraculous birth of Jesus in Bethlehem. If Mary and Joseph had arrived just a week earlier or later, Jesus wouldn't have been born in Bethlehem as the prophet Micah prophesied. It's a powerful illustration of how God moves world events for His glory. This gives me even more hope).
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Orion on December 17, 2024, 2:32 pm
@christian
I am doing transdermal adenosylcobalamin + methylcobalamin right now as well, had purchased some few years back and thinking about experimenting with injections.
The methylB12 is definitely making me feel wired(light sleep), so will assume I am an OVER methylator. So I would test hydroxo injections on myself, when/if I do. Quote from other post "However I feel an immediate difference when I take methyl/adenosyl and methylfolate. If you are on OVER methylator then methylated supplements will make you feel like you are on speed and keep you up all night." I agree!
Anyone know the reason for methyl making you feel wired? Guess the body knows to convert to active adenosyl and not active methyl, when injecting hydroxo.
@christian
I am doing transdermal adenosylcobalamin + methylcobalamin right now as well, had purchased some few years back and thinking about experimenting with injections.
The methylB12 is definitely making me feel wired(light sleep), so will assume I am an OVER methylator. So I would test hydroxo injections on myself, when/if I do. Quote from other post "However I feel an immediate difference when I take methyl/adenosyl and methylfolate. If you are on OVER methylator then methylated supplements will make you feel like you are on speed and keep you up all night." I agree!
Anyone know the reason for methyl making you feel wired? Guess the body knows to convert to active adenosyl and not active methyl, when injecting hydroxo.
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Hermes on December 18, 2024, 10:09 am
@orion
Interesting effects you experience with the methyl B12 version. I'd say it calms me down, if it does anything. I put it on my belly button. I've read that absorption is really good there, and the skin on wrists is thinner than usual. But I wonder how much is actually absorbed, since vitamin B12 is supposed to be the largest vitamin molecule.
Interesting effects you experience with the methyl B12 version. I'd say it calms me down, if it does anything. I put it on my belly button. I've read that absorption is really good there, and the skin on wrists is thinner than usual. But I wonder how much is actually absorbed, since vitamin B12 is supposed to be the largest vitamin molecule.
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