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Beef, Vitamin C, and Iron Overload Caution
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romaine on December 27, 2019, 2:45 pm
*Supplements not my only source of retinol. The copius amounts of fruits and vegetable (all very colorful) were full of carotenoids. I was also eating 2 to 3 pastured eggs a day as well as about an ounce of cheese.
*the supplement I was taking was from fish liver oil, so not synthetic.
*I had been dosing myself with magnesium oil for years also.
*I had the following lab done Fe+TIBC+Fer; CBC With Differential/Platelet; GGT. I had a few concerning markers not just serum iron. Serum copper high, ceruloplasmin in middle of normal range.
*Retinol is not a vitamin, just a toxin.
*Supplements not my only source of retinol. The copius amounts of fruits and vegetable (all very colorful) were full of carotenoids. I was also eating 2 to 3 pastured eggs a day as well as about an ounce of cheese.
*the supplement I was taking was from fish liver oil, so not synthetic.
*I had been dosing myself with magnesium oil for years also.
*I had the following lab done Fe+TIBC+Fer; CBC With Differential/Platelet; GGT. I had a few concerning markers not just serum iron. Serum copper high, ceruloplasmin in middle of normal range.
*Retinol is not a vitamin, just a toxin.
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romaine on December 27, 2019, 2:55 pm
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John on December 27, 2019, 2:00 pm
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romaine on December 27, 2019, 7:03 am
Prior to finding out that retinoids and carotenoids are merely toxins, I had been eating a low iron diet. During this time I was also taking retinol supplements and eating copius amounts of fruits and vegetables. My blood labs showed that I was extremely high in iron after 4 years of that regimen.
Vegetables are high in non-heme iron and fruits high in C which increases non-heme absorption. So it seems to makes sense.
The green leafy vegetable I ate that would have been high in iron are the ones I cooked, which probably destroyed most of the vitamin C. I usually ate fruits apart from vegetables and besides I don't think a largly vegan diet would be considered very high in iron. A few years before starting retinol supplements, I had blood labs showing low iron and I was eating mostly fruits and vegetables then too. You don't need retinol to clear iron from the blood. Retinol causes imbalances.
editing: Meant to say that retinol doesn't clear high iron, it causes it.
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John on December 27, 2019, 2:00 pm
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romaine on December 27, 2019, 7:03 am
Prior to finding out that retinoids and carotenoids are merely toxins, I had been eating a low iron diet. During this time I was also taking retinol supplements and eating copius amounts of fruits and vegetables. My blood labs showed that I was extremely high in iron after 4 years of that regimen.
Vegetables are high in non-heme iron and fruits high in C which increases non-heme absorption. So it seems to makes sense.
The green leafy vegetable I ate that would have been high in iron are the ones I cooked, which probably destroyed most of the vitamin C. I usually ate fruits apart from vegetables and besides I don't think a largly vegan diet would be considered very high in iron. A few years before starting retinol supplements, I had blood labs showing low iron and I was eating mostly fruits and vegetables then too. You don't need retinol to clear iron from the blood. Retinol causes imbalances.
editing: Meant to say that retinol doesn't clear high iron, it causes it.
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jobo on December 27, 2019, 5:48 pm
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Anika on December 27, 2019, 5:18 am
You need Vitamin A to balance and clear iron!
do you have any evidence to support this ?
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Anika on December 27, 2019, 5:18 am
You need Vitamin A to balance and clear iron!
do you have any evidence to support this ?
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John on December 27, 2019, 6:54 pm
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jobo on December 27, 2019, 5:48 pm
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Anika on December 27, 2019, 5:18 am
You need Vitamin A to balance and clear iron!
do you have any evidence to support this ?
One egg contains about 1000iu of vitamin A. Could we say that nature seems to think it’s necessarily for life? Just thinking out loud. I don’t know what to believe anymore.
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jobo on December 27, 2019, 5:48 pm
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Anika on December 27, 2019, 5:18 am
You need Vitamin A to balance and clear iron!
do you have any evidence to support this ?
One egg contains about 1000iu of vitamin A. Could we say that nature seems to think it’s necessarily for life? Just thinking out loud. I don’t know what to believe anymore.
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tim on December 27, 2019, 7:36 pm
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Anika on December 27, 2019, 5:18 am
You need Vitamin A to balance and clear iron!
Do you have a source for that? RA is a hormone and signaling molecule rather than a key ingredient in metabolic chemistry like a B vitamin so I doubt that. Secondly, nobody is VAD here. Grant could be getting close but as far as I know his iron is good.
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Anika on December 27, 2019, 10:07 am
You need more than just one marker to see where your iron is at and more than just Retinol to balance iron, but it is one of the main nutrients you need to make copper bio-available and keep iron in check.
During this time I was also taking retinol supplements
Food is always best and the dose makes the poison.
Magnesium needs to be refilled over years to balance out a deficiency too. It's not coming overnight.
Lot's of balancing work, best done with foods and topical magnesium. Then adjusting the rest and iron will fall back into place.
Magnesium deficiency does not take years to correct, it's a nutrient that the body doesn't store a lot of and needs to be continually replenished, one can get excess magnesium quite quickly.
However if a health condition is present that causes magnesium to be lost and magnesium levels are always low then that health condition needs to be corrected. For example many people are magnesium deficient because they are Vit D deficient and many people are Vit D deficient because they are iron toxic. Not losing blood regularly is abnormal from the perspective of our evolutionary history so it follows that not losing blood could cause magnesium deficiency. Many issues are caused through a chain of causation which is why many approaches are so ineffective.
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Anika on December 27, 2019, 5:18 am
You need Vitamin A to balance and clear iron!
Do you have a source for that? RA is a hormone and signaling molecule rather than a key ingredient in metabolic chemistry like a B vitamin so I doubt that. Secondly, nobody is VAD here. Grant could be getting close but as far as I know his iron is good.
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Anika on December 27, 2019, 10:07 am
You need more than just one marker to see where your iron is at and more than just Retinol to balance iron, but it is one of the main nutrients you need to make copper bio-available and keep iron in check.
During this time I was also taking retinol supplements
Food is always best and the dose makes the poison.
Magnesium needs to be refilled over years to balance out a deficiency too. It's not coming overnight.
Lot's of balancing work, best done with foods and topical magnesium. Then adjusting the rest and iron will fall back into place.
Magnesium deficiency does not take years to correct, it's a nutrient that the body doesn't store a lot of and needs to be continually replenished, one can get excess magnesium quite quickly.
However if a health condition is present that causes magnesium to be lost and magnesium levels are always low then that health condition needs to be corrected. For example many people are magnesium deficient because they are Vit D deficient and many people are Vit D deficient because they are iron toxic. Not losing blood regularly is abnormal from the perspective of our evolutionary history so it follows that not losing blood could cause magnesium deficiency. Many issues are caused through a chain of causation which is why many approaches are so ineffective.
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tim on December 27, 2019, 7:41 pm
The green leafy vegetable I ate that would have been high in iron are the ones I cooked, which probably destroyed most of the vitamin C.
Green leafy vegetables are high in lutein, beta-carotene, oxalates, iron and low in Vitamin C. They don't seem that healthy when I say it like that lol
The green leafy vegetable I ate that would have been high in iron are the ones I cooked, which probably destroyed most of the vitamin C.
Green leafy vegetables are high in lutein, beta-carotene, oxalates, iron and low in Vitamin C. They don't seem that healthy when I say it like that lol
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romaine on December 27, 2019, 8:26 pm
"One egg contains about 1000iu of vitamin A. Could we say that nature seems to think it’s necessarily for life? Just thinking out loud. I don’t know what to believe anymore. "
This seems like the same question about breast milk - why would retinol be in breast milk if the babies don't need it? If the mother didn't eat foods with it, then it wouldn't be in the milk. If the human mother or chicken gets PCBs or dioxin in their diet, then the milk or egg have it too. If they don't get those toxins in their diet, then the milk and eggs don't contain it.
"One egg contains about 1000iu of vitamin A. Could we say that nature seems to think it’s necessarily for life? Just thinking out loud. I don’t know what to believe anymore. "
This seems like the same question about breast milk - why would retinol be in breast milk if the babies don't need it? If the mother didn't eat foods with it, then it wouldn't be in the milk. If the human mother or chicken gets PCBs or dioxin in their diet, then the milk or egg have it too. If they don't get those toxins in their diet, then the milk and eggs don't contain it.
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John on December 27, 2019, 8:43 pm
Quote from
romaine on December 27, 2019, 8:26 pm
"One egg contains about 1000iu of vitamin A. Could we say that nature seems to think it’s necessarily for life? Just thinking out loud. I don’t know what to believe anymore. "
This seems like the same question about breast milk - why would retinol be in breast milk if the babies don't need it? If the mother didn't eat foods with it, then it wouldn't be in the milk. If the human mother or chicken gets PCBs or dioxin in their diet, then the milk or egg have it too. If they don't get those toxins in their diet, then the milk and eggs don't contain it.
Is the yellow color of the yolk due to vitamin A? Seems like we can experiment with a non-a diet on chickens to see what color the yolk would be with no A....
Quote from
romaine on December 27, 2019, 8:26 pm
"One egg contains about 1000iu of vitamin A. Could we say that nature seems to think it’s necessarily for life? Just thinking out loud. I don’t know what to believe anymore. "
This seems like the same question about breast milk - why would retinol be in breast milk if the babies don't need it? If the mother didn't eat foods with it, then it wouldn't be in the milk. If the human mother or chicken gets PCBs or dioxin in their diet, then the milk or egg have it too. If they don't get those toxins in their diet, then the milk and eggs don't contain it.
Is the yellow color of the yolk due to vitamin A? Seems like we can experiment with a non-a diet on chickens to see what color the yolk would be with no A....
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kikileah on December 28, 2019, 3:01 pm
This is all great info on iron overload, etc. Thank you. Especially thanks for the link to the Peat article regarding iron overload and jaundice in newborns. This makes so much sense.
As far a I can tell from a couple of nutrition data sources one large chicken egg (50g) only contains 244-270 IU of Vit A. Roughly 5% of rda. I was wanting to add them back in here and there for nutrients and was surprised at how relatively little A they contain. Alas, my nursling cannot do eggs so I'm looking elsewhere to diversify my diet (after 10 months on low vit A I know I'm nutrient deficient).
I'm with you, John, I have no idea what to believe anymore. Followed WAPF and thought that the holy grail, lol. So I'm taking everything in but not really sharing with many people lest I lead them down the wrong path again (cod liver oil...ugh).
This is all great info on iron overload, etc. Thank you. Especially thanks for the link to the Peat article regarding iron overload and jaundice in newborns. This makes so much sense.
As far a I can tell from a couple of nutrition data sources one large chicken egg (50g) only contains 244-270 IU of Vit A. Roughly 5% of rda. I was wanting to add them back in here and there for nutrients and was surprised at how relatively little A they contain. Alas, my nursling cannot do eggs so I'm looking elsewhere to diversify my diet (after 10 months on low vit A I know I'm nutrient deficient).
I'm with you, John, I have no idea what to believe anymore. Followed WAPF and thought that the holy grail, lol. So I'm taking everything in but not really sharing with many people lest I lead them down the wrong path again (cod liver oil...ugh).
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John on December 28, 2019, 4:35 pm
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kikileah on December 28, 2019, 3:01 pm
This is all great info on iron overload, etc. Thank you. Especially thanks for the link to the Peat article regarding iron overload and jaundice in newborns. This makes so much sense.
As far a I can tell from a couple of nutrition data sources one large chicken egg (50g) only contains 244-270 IU of Vit A. Roughly 5% of rda. I was wanting to add them back in here and there for nutrients and was surprised at how relatively little A they contain. Alas, my nursling cannot do eggs so I'm looking elsewhere to diversify my diet (after 10 months on low vit A I know I'm nutrient deficient).
I'm with you, John, I have no idea what to believe anymore. Followed WAPF and thought that the holy grail, lol. So I'm taking everything in but not really sharing with many people lest I lead them down the wrong path again (cod liver oil...ugh).
I’ve been incorporating many things back into my diet for the past few months. Was on it maybe 6 months or so. I got better but became even more sensitive to magnetic fields. I’m avoiding foods high in goitrogens.
I’m suspecting all the iron from all the beef and large diesel of vitamin C. Cause me to store too much iron in sensitive organs making me more sensitive to magnetic fields as well as a host of other issues from iron overload.
Glad to know eggs are only around 250iu of A. I was under the impression it was 1000 per egg. Been eating eggs regularly cause it contains proteins that inhibit iron absorption as well.
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kikileah on December 28, 2019, 3:01 pm
This is all great info on iron overload, etc. Thank you. Especially thanks for the link to the Peat article regarding iron overload and jaundice in newborns. This makes so much sense.
As far a I can tell from a couple of nutrition data sources one large chicken egg (50g) only contains 244-270 IU of Vit A. Roughly 5% of rda. I was wanting to add them back in here and there for nutrients and was surprised at how relatively little A they contain. Alas, my nursling cannot do eggs so I'm looking elsewhere to diversify my diet (after 10 months on low vit A I know I'm nutrient deficient).
I'm with you, John, I have no idea what to believe anymore. Followed WAPF and thought that the holy grail, lol. So I'm taking everything in but not really sharing with many people lest I lead them down the wrong path again (cod liver oil...ugh).
I’ve been incorporating many things back into my diet for the past few months. Was on it maybe 6 months or so. I got better but became even more sensitive to magnetic fields. I’m avoiding foods high in goitrogens.
I’m suspecting all the iron from all the beef and large diesel of vitamin C. Cause me to store too much iron in sensitive organs making me more sensitive to magnetic fields as well as a host of other issues from iron overload.
Glad to know eggs are only around 250iu of A. I was under the impression it was 1000 per egg. Been eating eggs regularly cause it contains proteins that inhibit iron absorption as well.
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